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IP Volume
This discussion was created from comments split from: Who is IP Volume Inc?.
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For people being stuck behind a paywall, here's the full article https://archive.is/XV56j
I suppose their abuse email is never checked. How come they are not blocked upstream?
There should be some clearer procedures outlined somewhere to report abuse ignoring hosts against their upstream providers - where it hurts the most. Since they signed a contract with them that most likely stipulates that abuse has to be handled properly?
After all ISPs that ignore abuse requests risk losing their "safe harbor" status and can be sued for millions ( in the US at least ). So even if a host is juridically not situated in the US, their upstream providers most likely are?
@mppp This is from Jan 2022... no one cares about it anymore I assume.
The article is from 2022. The wikipedia article is crazy long for a hoster with edits in 2024. Media and authorities are interested them. And the hoster is still around actively ignoring abuse reports.
So I'm not sure if I'd call that "no one cares about it anymore".
I am more talking about this discussion.. Don't necro
Fuckin necro
c=g
Top google result for "IP Volume abuse", timeless.
Don't give a fuck, don't negro a discussion. Start a new one if you have new information. Everyone who needs to know about IP Volume knows about IP Volume. We all hope the feds raids their ass but don't negro a disccusion.
I am actually interested in why people don't kill them ( and similar ISPs ) by approaching their upstream providers, but thanks for your valuable input.
Also learned a lot from this thread, so there's that.
Then go approach their upstreams.
Yeah I should have maybe asked @packetnext as he seems to know way more about this
So again, my bad for the necro. Landed here from google and was genuine interest
No worries man, IP Volume just needs to opkankeren.
Let’s think about some things…
So, what can we actually verify? What are the verifiable facts that we are aware of?
In 2020, Dutch Criminal Authorities conducted a Full Criminal Investigation into the activities of IP Volume, Inc.
The outcome of the said investigation? No evidence was found, no servers were confiscated. No evidence of being involved in any cyber crime related activities or CSAM.
It is 2025… five years later: no court case, no charges, no convictions, and most notably — no arrests!
That alone should speak volumes (no pun intended, even though the Internet is a series of tubes!)
Now, let’s be fully transparent here, if something was going on, something serious. The plug would be pulled. Same as it was on CyberBunker, GLOBE, etc.
Dutch police don’t joke around when there is in fact a criminal organization, and when there is evidence of any wrongdoing.
They will do their jobs, honorably, and punish those that have committed acts punishable by criminal law.
They will never hesitate because the world is a real and a serious place with real consequences, businesses that run properly, even after being investigated, and no wrongdoing is found, they will either continue to operate as-is, or will await court proceedings (and go bankrupt) but, most certainly not whilst operating the business conglomerate if they are a criminal organization.
Everything would have simply been emptied, and done and over with.
Meanwhile, several large security-focused organizations (including governmental bodies) rely on their services, and, if, there was something wrong with the business you are slandering, would they still continue to use their services?
Would their supervising governmental bodies allow them to do so, if there were any court proceedings against them?
One of the most famous ridiculous accusations is trying to link the said business conglomerate to what was referred to as the “RBN” (Russian Business Network), which wasn’t even a business, it was a “network”, it was a group of people — a “partnerka”, and they used datacenters out of Russia and the United States.
Yet, one of these most serious and slanderous lies will never be removed from the forum, or from the Wiki… even though we are talking about a business that is nearly 25 years old and still standing strong. 💪
What about the rest? Their transit providers, oversold network, eBay hardware… having to be desperate enough to accept any clients…
Do you see that business conglomerate posting any advertisements? Needing clients?
Are they strapped for cash, or are they running a legitimate business and minding their own business and NOT spending their time on hatred and jealousy?!
Maybe the NRC Editorial Team should publish a Part 3 titled: “How A Controversial Dutch Datacenter Turned Out To Be Cleaner Than Its Most Famous Critics”.
Speaking of NRC, and their Editorial Team… maybe it’s time to correct that those IP’s, from an Israeli company (Netstyle, and not IP Volume), are used by NordVPN… that “legitimate” company with advertisements on television channels.
Love,
VERA