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Web dev looking for VPS solution
CreativeBluebird
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Greeting everyone,
This is my first post on here so I hope I used the right category.
I am a junior web developer, I create websites for my (few but increasing) clients and upload them to a shared provider that is quite cheap, but at the same time is extremely limiting: the only action I can do is upload static front-end websites through FTP.
Since I want to create dynamic websites and probably apps, I also need to host back-end servers and databases, things that my current provider does not allow. I think that a VPS would be the best option for me at the moment. I am comfortable with Linux, but i am not sure which tools i need and how to configure them to "become my own web agency".
With my current provider, I spend around 152€/year (this price includes hosting+domain for all my clients), or about 25.3€/year per client. Which seems pretty high now, having seen this forum!
Every client has 5GB of storage, shared between emails and websites. Right now I have 6 clients, so 30GB of space in total.
My requirements for the VPS are:
1. Affordable: it should cost less than 5-6€/month (excluding domains, of course). It should be affordable enough to justify the effort of moving from a simple solution (upload files to a folder) to a complex system (manage the VPS, domains, setting up servers, etc...)
2. Minimum resources: it should have at least 40GB of storage or more if backups occupy a part of that disk. I am not sure about the CPU and RAM.
3. Scalable: it must allow me to add and remove resources when i need to (for example: add more storage when i get new clients)
4. Flexible: it must allow me to use any framework i need (for example: i could host 3 React front-ends, 2 back-end servers in NodeJS and 4 WordPress instances). Every client should be "isolated".
5. Fetch from GitHub: listen to changes from repositories on GitHub and automatically replace the content of a website with the updates.
6. Position: Ideally located in Southern Europe, but anywhere in Europe is fine.
7. Backups/snapshots: I want to have a guard against hackers or data corruption.
8. Service allocation: I want to allocate 5GB of space by default to my clients, and eventually change the size later if they need more storage. They don't need access to SSH or FTP.
9. Network ports: have all network ports available.
Optionally:
3. Control panel: it would be easier to manage all the websites with an extensive control panel.
4. Domains: possibility of registering or transferring domains to this provider, as well as creating subdomains.
5. Support (I think the correct term is Managed?): the provider should be able to step in and configure all the software i need, as well as linking the domains. I'd add this to the requirements, but this point is probably very hard if not impossible to find.
6. Mail lists: have an easy way to automatize sending emails.
Thanks for taking the time to read all of this, I hope to hear from you soon!
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@AspireHosting Thank you for answering so quickly!
The specs are great but I can't find those prices on your website. Also these VPS are located in the US right? I am looking for VPS based in Europe.
I'll take the occasion to ask a question that applies to all providers: Why do i need to add an hostname and name servers?
You certainly won't find that for the price you are looking for.
If you want something cheap, it will be completely unmanaged, so you are completely on your own to set up the software side. Most low-end hosts will also not offer to upgrade resources (without moving to a new system).
Because it replaces the IP. It’s like a number plate for a car instead of using a VIN
Also be advised that none of these offers will include domain registrations (if that’s you mean by domain). That will be the most expensive part.
I absolutely agree with you, what I meant with the second sentence is that I saw that there are "static" hosting providers that offer similar features to what i currently pay for, but cost way less
I just hope that there is a less expensive alternative that offers me more flexibility without sacrificing my peace of mind
@Alyx @labze @tarisu @tentor you sir possibel hav something for this man?
no backups/snapshots sir
Mh.. just for clarification
What you described with service allocation and fetching stuff from GitHub, that is something you need to do yourself.
That is not a default feature a VPS provides.
@Alyx thanks for the clarification, I'll edit it out from the requirements.
Edit: nevermind, i can't edit the post
4,5 and 8 is upon you @CreativeBluebird
Your current provider costs a lot because it is managed probably. Make it Unmanaged which will lower the price but your headache will sky rocket.
As a junior web dav, I don't think you should go this route right now. You have no knowledge about isolated containers, how to run them, how to process them etc., I have not even taken the occasional hiccups that will come along.
Either you will struggle and learn which may make you street smart or you may fall flat losing all the customers. No in between in this.
The low end providers can't help you in 4, 5, 8 which are crucial to you and your client.
My advice, stick to your old provider.
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1/2: I would argue you should get something with at least two cores and a recent-ish CPU if you can get it in that budget. Advin Servers is one thought, because for $6/month you get 2 cores/4GB memory on a recent platform, which along with the 64GB of NVMe, should benefit your WordPress (SQL) workload. Plus, they also have a location in Germany.
Side note: Despite where you are right now, you should still consider taking backups off-site. Even manual database backups (and encrypting them) before sending it to Google Drive is better than nothing. Don't rely even on the best of hosts as your sole source for disaster recovery, even AWS doesn't guarantee this for you.
Pretty much everything in 4, 5, 8 and partially 7 are things you'll need to configure. Isolation and automated deployments are not too difficult through Docker, backups offsite aren't too bad with a quick shell script and gdrive (or whatever cloud provider you want to use) and service allocation is built in to Docker once you configure it.
That said, as @itachikonoha has mentioned, if you haven't done this before, you will likely struggle. However, with practice, you'll be able to do this in the future - consider getting a small box, running Docker on it and practicing with a few personal services and a shit ton of backups. Once you get comfortable with running things like static sites, move on to WordPress, then finally start setting up the other components, like offsite backups, configurations, etc.
For your use case, I think using Hetzner Cloud would be the best fit. Hetzner is very reliable and pretty similar to many of the larger Cloud providers. Once you get comfortable with working with VPSes and tools needed, you can look at a LET provider. In addition, it meets a lot of your requirements. It is affordable, scalable, and support backups and snapshots
Thank you all for the suggestions, I am still gathering my thoughts. Starting something like this is surely a risk, but i gotta start from somewhere, right?
I agree with you all that most of my requirements are features that i have to setup in a VPS and are not brought in by providers.
I was thinking to maybe move one of my own websites to one provider to practice.
Speaking about providers, I found two interesting providers @Dasabo and "C-Servers" and I'd like to know your feedback if you have experience with them.
Particularly on Dasabo website i see "Free 24/7 support" and it mentions:
This would of course help me a lot, but i have to see how much this support extends: I can't simply tell them "set up the whole infrastructure for me".
C-Servers offer some "MultiVPS One-Time Paid Servers" that grow their specs every 3 year. This would be an extremely good deal for me, the server would get better specs while I increase my clients, but something tells me that it is sketchy as nobody gives out anything for free. I searched "C-Servers" here in the forum and i found mainly two threads with negative opinions.
Ill follow this thread, heres my two, im in a similar boat and would prefer a storage vps with lots of space and a decent address reputation over the RAM monsters that i have now, theyre great but my React builds are optimized now that i have React mastered, theres no need to not optimize Node.js or not use a proper memory cap anyways, and id rather concentrate on offering mail and saas services anyways,so if any good deals show up for 200GB or more.
Hey,
I can offer you a proper VPS located in The Netherlands for a reasonable price:
https://hstprov.com/vps-hosting.php
You can always contact me on discord if needed: pjottertjah
The VPS can always be upgraded when needed
Additionally, daily OS backups are always made for free.
I can recommend you something like Cyberpanel as a free alternative to DirectAdmin/cPanel.
I can hook it up
@natestamm I've been looking around i found a software called FOSSBilling, it's a sort of control panel for managing clients' invoices and services. It looks promising, now i just need to decide which VPS to buy. Does anyone have experience with this software?
Thank you for your quote, I think we can help you with what you are looking for.
If you need us, please do not hesitate to open a ticket in the customer area and we will try to satisfy your request to the best of our ability.
I am currently away from social media, enjoying my summer, and will be back to work full time in September, but in the meantime, the Dasabo team is at your complete disposal
Hello,
We can help you. We have locations in London, USA, and Frankfurt.
If you need a personalized quote, you can send us a ticket or email [email protected] and we'll help you.
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You have too many requirements. Pretty sure every provider that post offer here doesn't consider that they have to manage your service (or bombard by a ticket asked on how to do stuff) for 6EUR / month.
Here is an idea, go with hetzner. And either learn how to manage and setup the server yourself, or hire others to do so. I am a web dev myself, that host my clients like yours. Let me know if you need some help.
Yesterday evening I had a lovely chat with massiveGRID's support and I'd like to give them a shot, especially because they fit most of requirements. The only downside is that I saw online that their disks are not very fast.
Does anyone have experience with them?
Thanks for the suggestion and I agree with you about the requirements.
Is there any particular reason to use hetzner instead of other providers?
And a bit offtopic to the thread but, how do you host your clients? Do you have a control panel that creates your clients profile and data structure or do you do everything manually?
If netherlands location is ok with you, take a look at our hourly paid VPS's:
https://cloudblast.io/pricing
Search the forum. You will get SOOO MANY lovely reviews about them from past customers.
nothing is cheaper than hetzner.
I create my own client area.
Hey and welcome to LET!
You're definitely on the right track, VPS is the logical next step when shared hosting becomes a bottleneck.
We offer affordable Linux-based VPS plans in Europe (NL, UA) that meet your needs:
You can isolate each client using containers, Docker, or virtual hosts.
We do help with common VPS tasks if you’re stuck, especially during your early phase.
If it sounds like a fit, feel free to test or compare vsys.host VPS plans.
Wishing you luck on your journey!