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No need to get so upset, I'm just saying you clearly own your hardware and don't resell (in Utah, all your other locations are rented dedis iirc). I'm saying I don't really understand why you choose to compete with your upstream while not being able to match their prices. You're literally selling the exact same thing, except a little worse (less bandwidth, higher pricing). You're on the exact same network, so it's not like you offer lower bandwidth but on a higher quality blend. You're probably a one man operation, so it's not like support with you is any better than it'd be with FS. You probably have a lower transit commit (guessing a 40g port or something similar) so it's possible that your network is also more congested than FS's would be. The reason why DO, Linode, and Vultr cost more is because they have better support, more features, etc than most LE* hosts selling stuff at $7/year do. Congrats on having clients and all, I just think your points are a little silly. I keep seeing you shit on other LET hosts that are doing stuff right, you should stay in your lane imo.
To avoid any inconvenience, we appreciate a lot of feedback, and it helps us continue to grow.
The server models we offer are the most used or preferred by our customers, and because we get a better price when purchasing, we'll be able to upgrade to Ryzen 7950x and 9950x later on. This is a process we're working on.
We'd like you to see the support and quality we offer before you consider this.
As I say, this business is for everyone, and if I occasionally think some plans aren't profitable, I won't comment on that anymore and we'll focus on our own business.
By the way, we never compete with anyone.
FIBERSTATE is a great company and we are very grateful for their service.
Awesome! It's clear from your comments in other provider's offer threads that you don't understand how pricing in this industry works yet. Glad to know you'll stop embarrassing yourself in the future, it's not a great look.
@fluffernutter just curious, is everything OK with your life? The reason why i ask is because you seems to lose alot of time checking who is reselling and who's not and from almost each thread/request you're there pointing this bullshit out who is reselling! I coulnd'n care less if somebody resell or not as long as it works, there are alot of reasons some people will switch with the reseller instead of going directly! The other reason which i am fine with resellers is that there are people who live take care and feed their families with reselling. Not everyone started BIG, but instead became BIG!
With this being said, take care of your life man spending too much time on bullshit you will ngeligence your problems and your life!
Some people like to spend their time playing video games, some like to spend their time watching TV, and some like to look for resellers trying to upsell to clients. To each their own on how they choose to spend their time.
I appreciate the transparency at least, since not everyone is fortunate or rich enough to spend extra money to pad the profit margin of a reseller. 50 euros a month (600 euros a year) is a lot to spend purely on reseller profit margin. You could have a nice dinner out with your family every month instead of donating to a middleman.
Also *she.
Nobody is forcing you to pay 50€ more either, you me everyone who would like to order something will check the price if its ok will go with it! Playing videogames whatever is a personal choice, in this case it's not because you are harming someone. And no 50€ is not alot considering the fact that the reseller will work with you and deal with you with any issues! Damn, let's close all markets with food either because 90% of them are reselling things and noone produces theirself like lidl, Aldi and many more!
Sometimes I think the reseller can offer support additional, extra help beyond what others can offer.
I'm not saying it's good or bad; you can choose:
For example, a company resells Amazon servers, which offers extra support and customer service. They can help you with any problems that may arise.
Amazon can take days to respond and not offer the help you're looking for; every business offers a plus.
Examples:
Cloudways offers several cloud providers, including DigitalOcean.
On Vultr, you can see dedicated server plans that, when searching, offer a fifth less with the same specifications, and they don't question their plans.
Guys, you have to be a little open-minded, not just be limited to cheap options.
They are "open-minded" but just oh wow i found someone reselling and im "smart" now because of that :P
In theory you're right. In reality, YMMY on whether the value addition of a reseller is worth the extra cost. It can be hit or miss, we'll just have to meet in the middle there.
There are resellers that provide good support that justify the markups, and resellers who bank on the customer being dumb to not do their own research to exact a pure profit without any value addition.
That's such a garbage comparison and you know it. Food markets provide logistics and a unified marketplace for customers to buy from. There is actual value addition there, whereas someone buying a server solely to sell it back at a profit is nothing more than a snake unless there is managed support or some actual work put in by the reseller to justify the markup. Ask any farmer whether they have the means to open their own storefront or ship their goods nationwide and they will all say no given the low margins they operate on.
Indeed, you can find a middle ground by looking at the options you're looking for.
I'm not justifying the cost, it's just that sometimes price isn't everything.
There are countless examples, such as brands, etc.
The business is all acceptable.
The only garbage things here comes from you, because you have no clue nor idea how a real world work! There are many reasons customers use resellers and there is nothing bad with that, your IQ is just too low to understand it.
If my IQ is low then it's compensated by my wallet being fat. I'll take the latter over being big brain and poor, thank you.
I though so, have you heard that money can't buy you everything? The last example is you, your IQ.
Friend, you need to change that way of thinking. It's not good. Not everything you see on LET is real. I can assure you that many of the prices you see aren't profitable, and they barely cover certain payments, like IPs and everything else.
As you can see, many say they can't afford support or staff because of the low prices for the services they offer.
Others offer plans for pennies a month, like others.
I'd like you to think for five minutes and calculate all the expenses involved in having a decent Ryzen 7950x server and see what plans you would offer.
You've seen countless companies that only offer Deadpool plans for a few years, even lifetime plans. That's not profitable.
You yourself just posted another comment that they should raise prices because it's not profitable, and here you criticize why the prices are offered so high.
But hey, his fat wallet gona buy IQ so dont bother :P
It's not a proper comparison. The other thread I was referring to the original hoster, i.e. the person who bought all the hardware, is racking things up, putting the sweat and labor in, etc. The extra profit goes to them to keep their business going.
This discussion is about resellers, i.e. a middleman. You can't say with a straight face that they are the same. A reseller (someone who buys just to turn around and sell it, sort of like scalping) doesn't have all the expenses (if much at all) to pay like the main provider does. Unless, like you and I both agree on, they offer additional support service or some value-add to justify the markup.
We'll just have to agree to disagree on this topic as this thread is going off the rails from the OP's server request. But I appreciate your respectfully laid-out perspective on this topic, thanks!
Everything is fine, thank you for asking! It doesn't really take me any time, most resellers are super lazy and I enjoy browsing LET anyways. It's not hard to see someone selling a 7950x in Utah and think "oh that's just a fiberstate config" as an example. I feel like most people on LET are here because they're looking for value for money, and most resellers (that I have issues with) don't provide that.
There are some that are fine though, since they use their larger account sizes to get better deals (that they pass on to the customer), or maybe they let you buy a Hetzner server with crypto or something similar. Walkerservers, NetDynamics24 (although i do wish they were a little more transparent about just being a webnx reseller), Racknode, HostDZire, etc often offer better pricing, higher bandwidth, etc than going to Leaseweb, Hetzner, and WebNX directly. This is great, especially on a lowend forum!
I have more of an issue with resellers who take configs that you can just order yourself on the actual provider's site, add markup, and seem to only target threads like this. The thread poster is a brand new account and probably doesn't know much about the scene. A lot of the people I take issue with only really seem to post in threads like this, or maybe in threads where the OP's english is a little broken, etc. They do this because they're taking advantage of someone else being unfamiliar with the market, and are using it to make an easy buck off of them. This isn't great behavior, imo.
I don't really care if one of these resellers is feeding their family off of that sort of behavior. Their customers have families too. $50 can be a week of groceries in several places in the world, and these resellers could literally be taking food out of the mouth of the customer's family by charging them more for the exact same product. They're scalpers and a rot on the industry.
Personally, I use quite a few LET providers, there's a few here that I spend 5 figures a month on. I'm fine with lowend providers and I actually put my money where my mouth is, and happily use some of them for prod. (and yes, they all own every bit of their infrastructure)
I just wonder how did they started, without any margin that they get to be "larger sizes"! Does any reseller need to draw a big pic saying "Hey im a reseller of xyz"?
I personally believe that the one who found LET and opened a thread/request are pretty familiar with google search too to find cheaper one, at the end of the day OP didn't stated anything to defend him, no resellers etc so why bother?
The resellers that i use mostly it's because of crypto payment in which going directly this is the option, there is a little margin of course for the reseller as because he is the one who will take care of the customer. Do you really believe that those whom you call "directly" don't charge you for the margin?! Oh and btw, the active servers you referred to, did you know that active servers lease the hardware most of the time from an IT company instead of owning them?
That's fine, i mean who cares to whom you are with to what they own or not it is really annoying seeing on each request your bullshit who is reseller and who not while nobody asks though.
I'm not investing in a startup, I'm buying servers. I don't want to give a small reseller more margin because one day they might get big enough to offer value. I didn't like them in the past when they were bad value (you can even check my comment history if you care that much) and I only like them now because they provide value.
people get duped all the time. LET has good SEO, have you see how clueless a lot of request threads are? People just end up here all the time, and in some cases get upset when they're given resold systems.
The owners of the infrastructure charge me margin for providing the service, sure. That's how business works. The reseller charges me the owner's margin + their own margin. I don't get how this is so hard for you?
I have no idea what you're saying here, if the thread posters ask me to stop then I'll stop. If the leech providers trying to rob people (or their alts) ask me to stop, I probably won't. If I annoy you, you can hide my posts with this greasemonkey script. Have a nice day!
So you are in charge here to warn them beforehand?
It is not for me, but seems for you since you don't get it that the reseller will deal with you and not the owner itself, not to mention the IP space and other fees etc.
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I mean, you can sleep in this forum 24/7 because it is clear to me from all the threads/request you jump in and that's why i asked if you have a life or the LET is the only one
I post on LET while I wait for stuff to compile, and I don't like seeing people getting scammed. It seems like you do, which makes me think you have an ulterior motive here. Good luck with whatever you're doing though.
Hoho, i mean there are a dozen providers including those resellers whom you call scammers who can confirm that i am their customer. And pretty sure some members whom i took the KS-LE-B too for my personal project, unlike you, i do have a real life not only LET
I'm new here, I tried a few offers / recommendations but after a while noticed maybe they just a resellers. So, I searched a lot using the LET search box and was glad that @fluffernutter mentioned who sells directly and who doesn't. Disclaimer: I'm not against resellers; I just prefer to use providers who have their own infrastructure.
That's fine, i was not saying to who or what a customer prefers i said that there are some reasons other prefer or use resellers period.
Btw, what was bad if they were resellers? Just curious, did they bite
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Thank you for the mention
We might be able to work something out, I have messaged you
We do... we have a cage at Interxion, now Digital Realty, just a few miles from Schiphol airport.
We run our own routers, AS number, IPs, servers, etc.
However, we do not yet offer dedicated servers there, but it's planned for the future. We might start with VDS before dedicated servers, though, just for server density purposes.