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Bigger number, more performance (usually), more expensive
Higher frequency CPU's benefit all sorts of use cases.
If your website depends on low latency and high per-thread performance, go for high-frequency CPUs like Ryzen 7950X, 9950X.
If your website scales across multiple threads and handles high traffic loads, choose AMD EPYC.
Hi..looks like by mistake I posted this under service transfer category. Any way that I can move this to general discussion ?
Moved to General
High-frequency CPUs are designed especially for websites or applications that require high “Single-threaded performance.”
Here are the Use Cases for High-Frequency CPUs:
Financial Trading & Forex: High-frequency CPUs are essential for HFT (High-Frequency Trading) systems that execute thousands of trades per second.
Web Hosting and VPS Sites: High-frequency CPUs improve query execution times for MySQL, PostgreSQL, and WHMCS hosting.
Streaming & Media Hosting: Live streaming platforms (e.g., Twitch, YouTube Live, Facebook Live)
Database-Heavy Websites
* High-traffic forums & community websites (e.g., Reddit-like sites, Discourse, XenForo)
* Online booking & reservation platforms (e.g., Airbnb, Expedia)
Websites built on programming languages that require single-threaded performance.
@clay_p Thanks for detailed explanation.
Or the 9700X!
RISE-S GANG
9950X's are beasts!
It is also very useful for high performance idling
Yes, 9950X is a great idler
Idling goes a lot faster with the 9950x, I hate waiting when idling 😇
@Moopah what doeas high performance idling mean ?
Sorry I don’t communicate with black friday teasers
FS-A my ass
Sorry, that's simply BS.
Half BS. Often connection latency is the problem, not CPU performance.
Double Half BS. Often connection latency is the problem, not CPU performance. Plus: milliseconds? You must be joking.
Help me out here, what's a "VPS site" as opposed to a normal site?
Really funny, thanks LOL
The truth is simple: Basically the same cores, just once optimized for performance (e.g. Ryzen) and once for many cores, albeit weaker ones (e.g. Epyc). So, NO, a Ryzen is NOT somehow magically e.g. a faster DB or web (with e.g. PHP) server!
Reasons: (a) there almost always are many clients and connections active, and (b) the relevant question is, how much performance one can get out of the whole processor, not out of a core.
Btw. "optimized core performance" is just one factor. The magic sauce also is in inter-core paths, memory paths and many other factors.
Short version: The "art" wasn't to make Epyc cores fast, the art was to get so many cores into a processor in the first place and within a given power (consumption) envelope.
So ...
As a normal user: for pretty much none. It simply is basically irrelevant for any website with less than say 1000 req/s that is, for the vast majority of websites LET users have. Also: the hog almost always is stuff like PHP, not the http server. Another PITA is that everybody and their dog also use MySQL for their server. That - instead of e.g. sqlite - plus PHP is what makes their site crawling on a 4 core VPS with even just a few dozen requests per second.
So, does your website have more than about 8.6 million requests per day (~ a "measly" 100 req/s) ? Very highly likely not. You'll hardly notice a difference between a Ryzen, an Epyc, or even a "crappy old" E5 v4.
Well, we can all see which post to avoid as useless.
in my leisure comparisons, how fast a website performs given the same traffic conditions arent affected too much by CPU. A little bit yes but after xeon V4 it doesnt get much better or negligible to the human eye.
assuming the CPU's arent oversold, what's more important is the available IO, IO latency PLUS memory (obviously newer CPUs run on faster DDR5) PLUS network BW and latency.
given the same website setup, the above can improve overall responsiveness ( TTFB etc.)
i would rank IO the top parameter, followed by memory since DDR4 and newer already come with much faster CPU and then network but in reality they all need to be optimized for fastest response.
no matter how fast the CPU is it has to wait for database read/writes to complete i think.
on a well cached site the (CPU) load is usually low and has to be in order to fit into VPS provider AUP.
TLDR
YABS reveals everything.
@TimboJones I don't see any problem with the post. It was a genuine query.
I'm not sure what post you're referring to. I was referring to a long response post by someone who isn't a webmaster, never ran a webhosting company, or done any QA testing to back up his comments.
Nothing of value was said. Read OP asking simple question, read the drivel post, and then realize it was useless. Straight and simple from someone experienced in the field like fiberstate was a proper response to OP.
(emphasis mine)
Being at it, why don't you do an interview for LEB with @raindog308? It might be quite surprising what we learn about you and your experience.
After all it's only fair to ask the guy, who serially arrogates to judge others and their expertise - pretty much always negatively - about his expertise.
Btw, just in case you meant me, you are dead wrong. I did work in both a DC in tech mgmnt and at a provider albeit in a more general mgmnt position, and I'm also a webmaster and sysadmin for a few sites and what you'd call "QA testing" is a part of my daily job.
How about you?
In case raindog308 isn't interested, which would be understandable, feel free to tell us about your education, professional experience, and your work/job - in engineering, because frankly, other fields would be very unlikely to qualify you to adjudicate techies.
I have been trading financial instruments for more than a decade. The latency for a server 10 milliseconds vs 1 milliseconds when connecting to my brokerage can cost me a few hundred dollars a month in terms of profit. So I do what I can to ensure that I can reduce the latency.
I could pay for direct fiber connection that will reduce the latency to 0.5 ms but will cost me a few hundred dollars a month. So I cheap out and find a provider that can get me the connection as fast as possible instead. Also I want a reliable provider as well. So the best I could do currently was 2.5 ms connection latency with a great provider.
In my case, the CPU power will decide if I can run a single or multiple trading program. So it is not as critical as latency. a 9950 CPU with 16 Gb ram means I can run 3 strategies on a single VPS but with a Intel Gold/E3/E5 means I can run a single strategy and therefore need three VPS.
So I always choose a provider than has looking glass for me to check latency.
In my experience, for most websites, there wouldn't be any noticeable difference.
It will start to be noticed when there are too much computation involved in the backend. It could be complex database queries or in my case, video encoding. When you are compressing or upscaling video, rendering, converting one format to another, it requires a powerful CPU and preferably more the core, the better.
Even gpu doesn't help in this case as, gpu accelerated quality will be much lower than done by a cpu.
This is one particular case where the backend of the website requires a powerful one (I am using 9950x and EPYC 9454).
If the app something make in poor taste of performance and it was beyond my reach to fix / optimize, otherwise in general-way I just start on small resource and scale when needed (perhaps there some LET provider Scaleable VPS, which I miss).
Is this the spell to repel fiberstate?
Now you're making shit up. I was pointing out the simple, straight forward question from OP and the shit response you gave. I never went on about my experience on this or really any other topic. Re-read the OPs two questions. Now, look at your response and notice you don't answer either question, just a lot of shit talk of your opinion with no value to OP.
Right, so you do webmastering and sysadmin on the side of your day job? Or you're claiming that is your day job? Didn't you say you work for the government doing encryption shit or something likely BS?
Because your buggy ass benchmarking app was garbage and you didn't QA that, at all. And when just a few of the issues were reported, you took your ball and went home instead of fixing the bugs.
That's funny you should ask. I know I have more post secondary education than you, because you don't have any. You've said some silly shit over the years pretending to be an engineer, but you would have learned better in the first year of school. Dead giveaway.
I know I have more QA experience, because I was head of QA/Engineering for something like 9 years for a company I worked 13 years for.
And I know I have more Engineering experience than you, as I've had very lucrative Engineering jobs for the last 8 years, doing projects for DARPA, Google, etc. Before covid hit, we were designing hardware intended to be sent to the moon. I'm currently employed as a Hardware Qualification Engineer.
I've worked with incredibly talented people all my career, so I have a pretty good sense of when someone is speaking on a topic of expertise and when someone uses way too many words without saying anything of value, or also in your case, just wrong. I'm sure other technically inclined people on this site know what I'm referring to.
But I didn't offer my opinion on this topic, because a) a decent answer was given already, b) I'm not a webmaster and don't pretend to be an expert on something I'm not.
Yes
(a) sorry but I've yet to see comments from you indicating that your assertions about yourself are true.
(b) Even assuming what you just wrote were true, why then nearly never anything constructive and pretty much always cursing and condescending.
(c) and what precisely in what you just wrote indicates that you are qualified at all to judge software, let alone source code?
(d) what did you contribute to this community so far?
Whataboutism, typically jsg. The above applies to you, except less cursing. Your incorrect and excessive use of air quotes and italics in nearly every single post you make show what kind of annoying asshole you are.
So your contributions was your non-working benchmark app that you refused to share the code or fix bugs, are you still going on about that as a contribution to the community?
I've been calling you out as a Russian troll for YEARS, that's what I think about your contributions.
@TimboJones
Obviously a civilized discourse with you is not possible.
He is a Russian-Ukrainian troll, a hysterical bitch
Don't stir the shit