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You strike me as the kind of person who goes down to nonprofit soup kitchens who are feeding the poor and berates them for not having a proper wine list.
I like the retro look of Internet Archive. That interface is simple and it works in a predictable way, reminding me of the past. There is a saying sometimes: less is more.
Wayback Machine (provisional, read-only) service.
Other Internet Archive services are temporarily offline.
I think now that they are going to rework on their entire servers on preventing this from happening ever again I guess
yes-- better safe than sorry
Yeah, whatever. If that's how you wanna think of me, not gonna try to change your mind.
Don't really care to explain why your comparaison is 100% flawed.
Outlining the issues, objectively, is not a crime. Be it free/paid, non-profit, profit whatever. Not to mention, with the means they have they could have done better.
Things take time and effort and (==money) to be restructured properly, I know that, but also sometimes people make shortcuts and poor choices.
You guys (@jsg too) are oversensitive, specially when you see the non-profit label.
Just to use the same flawed corrupted raindog logic, So If I do it free, I am allowed to feed the homeless shitty expired food? It's free, you can't complain.
Sometimes, something has to be said early for things to improve, otherwise it keeps piling up and you end up with an even shittier thing. And both of you are so damn old and familiar with projects and things like that, don't act as if you were both born yesterday and don't know how big projects with great potential can fail miserably just because of some poor choices and bad usage of financing.
take a step a back and evaluate shit objectively both of you. Yes I only talked about the negatives because I wanted to. Are there positive things about archive? yes, but there are enough of you archive fans outliging the positive things so I don't need to. In a different conversation I might be the one defending them, who knows.
I am 100% allowed to choose who to sympathize with, and I simply didn't pick the folks behind archive for several reasons. Yes they're in a bad situation right now, but also I am sorry I can't feel bad for them. I am allowed to not like their personalities, and to do what I want.
You guys wanna feel bad for them? feel free to, I even encourage you to do that. I didn't attack any one here telling them how they suck for feeling bad for archive like you're doing to me for having the opposite view.
I don't think there any need to drag this to a long debate, it's really as simple as that, you have your opinions, I have mine.
@afn how can a subject outline issues objectively? 😬
Well, then your statement ("100% flawed") is baseless. Simple as that.
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And AFAIK nobody called it a crime. Do you really think @raindog308 invested and still invests an awful amount of time and work in LEB/LET while considering "outlining issues, objectively" a crime?
Sorry, yet another worthless statement. Care to lay out, how Archive.org "made shortcuts and poor choices" while having better alternatives available?
Nope. In fact I do not think that Archive.org always acted well and right.
But I also see two important factors, (a) could they have? Did they e.g. have the resources needed?, and (b) Based on fucking what should I have the right to judge them? Merely using some free service or even paying $5 once or even per year IMO does not give one the right to judge what is a quite large operation.
It's quite simple actually: If you consider their free service good enough then use it. If not, then either stay away or pony up significant support incl $$ or create a better service.
Nope, that's not what I think. It rather is "if I just use but not support a free service in an adequate way, then I have no right to complain".
"said early" - as if their problem were that they don't know. IMO that's an insult to them because it implies that they are seriously stupid.
Send them $$ and/or invest time and work and/or provide free resources (e.g. hardware or bandwidth) - or shut the fuck up! They don't need your "saying", "calling out problems", etc.
You know what, @jsg , you're right. My apologies.
On a second thought, I now think it is just simpler to leave them alone and let them be, with their free service and the free users who like it as-is. since I don't like it anyway, I shouldn't probably bother them or anyone else with my opinions. Just simpler to move on and use something else.
You think this logic should apply to every free service too, right @jsg ? like it makes sense not to be a prick about anything as long as it's free and just let them be and move on if you don't like it.
No need to apologize to me. They deserve an apology, but that said I appreciate your showing good will.
One correction though (regarding me): I do not "like their service" but I simply take it as it is because it's for free. I'd highly likely not use it for e.g. business purposes but I'm grateful that (quite a few btw.) sites that don't exist anymore and that I was or am interested in still are accessible thanks to Archive.org.
Re your last question: I'm not sure that that is generally true and a good approach. Counter example: a site that offers some free service and asks for feedback incl. constructive criticism. In such a case I would think about whether I appreciate their free service enough to think about what to improve and how to do it (if I consider it reasonably feasible).
"My apologies" is general sentence not parluclarlu addressed to you. But to anyone offended (you included, but not only you).
I understand ofc the case if they explicitly ask for feedback is different, I was talking in general.
Outlining issues is perfectly fine. I think most people soured on you with your "0 sympathy" rant at the end of your post. It just made you look like the shitty person, not those you insulted.
Latest update from Mark Graham, director of the Wayback Machine (Oct 16, 1:56pm PT):
"Wanted to share an update from Team Wayback Machine
The archives are safe & the Wayback Machine is up in read-only mode.
We hope to turn more web crawling on within a day to make sure our web collections remain whole.
Next up: Save Page Now.
Thank you for the support!"
The Internet Archive users are reporting to have received this e-mail just moments ago.
It appears that the person(s) who compromised The Internet Archive still maintain some form of persistent access and are trying to send a message.
https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/internet-archive-breached-again-through-stolen-access-tokens/
"The threat actor claimed to have stolen 7TB of data from the Internet Archive but would not share any samples as proof. [..] After the Internet Archive was breached, conspiracy theories abounded about why they were attacked. Some said Israel did it, the United States government, or corporations in their ongoing battle with the Internet Archive over copyright infringement."
"In recovering from recent cyberattacks on October 8, the Internet Archive has resumed the Wayback Machine (starting October 13) and Archive-It (October 17), and as of today (October 21), has begun offering provisional availability of archive.org in a read-only manner. Features like uploading, borrowing, reviewing items, interlibrary loan, and other services are not yet available.
Please note that these services will have limited availability as we continue maintenance.
Hackers disclosed archive.org email and encrypted passwords to a transparency website, and also sent emails to patrons by exploiting a 3rd party helpdesk system.
The safety and integrity of the Internet Archive’s data and patrons remain our top priorities. As the security incident is analyzed and contained by our team, we are relaunching services as defenses are strengthened. These efforts are focused on reinforcing firewall systems and further protecting the data stores."
What emails? Why they are shitty people? What do they own you?
Update: Malwarebytes (a/v) removed wayback machine web.archive.org as false negative so I can now access it.