We operate 720 servers and we are happy to buy more.

zGato

@Operable4829 I'm also curious, could you explain how you determine a "cdn" subnet or a "vpn" IP. I get if you don't want to get into specifics.
e.g

Also, about the "cloud" tag? It's impressive to see Yandex there, but not Selectel or Hetzner, for example.

Operable4829

@zGato said: @Operable4829 would be helpful if we could get a bigger version of the location map.

I have added the maps to the form. Please review.

The number is a bit low because we have a bunch of dynamic IP address servers. Those servers do not have a static IP address in our database but are referred to by their ID.

I have also added an optional text box for affiliate links if anyone wants to add.

@OwnTN has servers in Pavlodar, KZ and Montevideo, UY.
@Mahfuz_SS_EHL (which seems affiliated to MetroVPS?) in Dhaka, Bangladesh.

I will check them out. Feel free to add them if you have the affiliate link for it. However, I think for you, @zgato, I will send you a message as you have a ton of servers. I want to make sure that if you have affiliate links, I use them properly.

zGato

@Operable4829 said:

@zGato said: @Operable4829 would be helpful if we could get a bigger version of the location map.

I have added the maps to the form. Please review.

The number is a bit low because we have a bunch of dynamic IP address servers. Those servers do not have a static IP address in our database but are referred to by their ID.

I have also added an optional text box for affiliate links if anyone wants to add.

@OwnTN has servers in Pavlodar, KZ and Montevideo, UY.
@Mahfuz_SS_EHL (which seems affiliated to MetroVPS?) in Dhaka, Bangladesh.

I will check them out. Feel free to add them if you have the affiliate link for it. However, I think for you, @zgato, I will send you a message as you have a ton of servers. I want to make sure that if you have affiliate links, I use them properly.

I can fill out the form if you want, but I have no clue about some info (such as the Data Center Location (Physical address. Must contain name of the city. Include Google Maps link if possible.))

You also won my respects with this last message

Operable4829

@Mahfuz_SS_EHL said:
Yes, MetroVPS has infrastructure aka servers at Dhaka, Bangladesh.

Thanks. We have servers in Dhaka. But do fill up the form though as we will evaluate your service independently.

Big thing for us with Bangladeshi servers are:

• Non-Dhaka servers (Particularly in Chittagong)
• IPv6
• Network stability
• International payments

jsg

@Operable4829 said:
If you like our map, you will surely love the summerize tool

I certainly would love a summerize tool at the current temperatures - which, to add insult to injury, also are politically incorrect. As everybody should know we actually are burning due to the cliiimate catastrophy!!! But no, the stubborn right-wing weather doesn't care about woke idiot zealotry * typing with cold fingers

Levi

@Operable4829 said:

@Levi said:
So, rough theory, how does the triangulation works?

TLDR is that overlapping RTT area from different servers.

This article should give you a good overview: https://ipinfo.io/blog/probe-network-how-we-make-sure-our-data-is-accurate/

Essentially, when we ping an IP address, we get a Round Trip Time (RTT). This gives us a radius value based on the RTT from which we can draw a circle on a map with the server being in the center. Then, when we ping the same IP address from another server, we get a new RTT and consequently draw another circle on the map. By pinging the IP address from multiple servers, we get multiple circles, and the overlapping area between these circles is where we think the IP address is located.

Here is a diagram I have on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:7247612230760865794/

Ou wow, just like telecom towers… Is that idea unique to your company? I mean who thought that?

Operable4829

@trewq said:
Amazing way to collect data and engage with the community while doing it!

Do you find you have trouble with some unique locations where the service is essentially long lined or do you avoid those?

Thank you so much for commenting on this thread, Trewq! Your help has always been appreciated.

The current evaluation scripts actually favor long lined connections. We are looking at how good of data we can provide for a particular ASN. So, we are looking at overall ASN RTT, peering and the big thing is IPv6. IPv6 is the future.

Once someone fills out the form, we evaluate the data we have and then, based on pricing and the offering, we buy them.

Operable4829

@zGato

I'm also curious, could you explain how you determine a "cdn" subnet or a "vpn" IP. I get if you don't want to get into specifics.

Also, about the "cloud" tag? It's impressive to see Yandex there, but not Selectel or Hetzner, for example.

I am a bit on the dark about the tags stuff (https://ipinfo.io/tags) to be honest. The reason I am in the dark is that, the data team will develop a database for a particular tag which often involves dozens of engineering tickets, and dozens of research articles thrown around with a lot of SQL queries.

I am only the final product expert of the team. Sorry. Once I get an explanation from them, I will post it on the community (https://community.ipinfo.io/)

I can fill out the form if you want, but I have no clue about some info (such as the Data Center Location (Physical address. Must contain name of the city. Include Google Maps link if possible.))

No need. I will reach out to you personally as soon as I find a break. The big thing is RTT for the ASN.

Mahfuz_SS_EHL

@Operable4829 said:

@Mahfuz_SS_EHL said:
Yes, MetroVPS has infrastructure aka servers at Dhaka, Bangladesh.

Thanks. We have servers in Dhaka. But do fill up the form though as we will evaluate your service independently.

Big thing for us with Bangladeshi servers are:

• Non-Dhaka servers (Particularly in Chittagong)
• IPv6
• Network stability
• International payments

I'll send this to the concern to fill up. Meanwhile, I checked the form. They have servers in Multiple Datacenters & IP Range for those. Will they fill it up separately for each location & IP Subnet ?

Operable4829

@Levi said:
Ou wow, just like telecom towers… Is that idea unique to your company? I mean who thought that?

As far as I know, this process in application is unique to us. I believe no other provider in our industry does that. In terms of who thought of that, I think this idea is not new. I think it was popularized by GPS technology.

What we do is really scale this process to a massive level, introduce a lot of network metadata parameters and sophisticated algorithms.

Operable4829

@Mahfuz_SS_EHL said: Meanwhile, I checked the form. They have servers in Multiple Datacenters & IP Range for those. Will they fill it up separately for each location & IP Subnet ?

Thank you, and Yes. I need to evaluate these ranges individually based on location data. So, you need to fill up the forms with separate locations and IP ranges.

nik

@Operable4829 said:

@Levi said:
So, rough theory, how does the triangulation works?

TLDR is that overlapping RTT area from different servers.

This article should give you a good overview: https://ipinfo.io/blog/probe-network-how-we-make-sure-our-data-is-accurate/

Essentially, when we ping an IP address, we get a Round Trip Time (RTT). This gives us a radius value based on the RTT from which we can draw a circle on a map with the server being in the center. Then, when we ping the same IP address from another server, we get a new RTT and consequently draw another circle on the map. By pinging the IP address from multiple servers, we get multiple circles, and the overlapping area between these circles is where we think the IP address is located.

Here is a diagram I have on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:7247612230760865794/

Soo, just to understand the fancy name of IP triangulation correctly. Let's assume we are in the south of Germany with a local provider, or even DTAG (AS3320). You have a VM in Stuttgart or Munich with which you are doing your RTT testing and you would expect to have a low RTT since you are close to the VM. The issue is that EVERYTHING is backhauled through Frankfurt, so the RTT will be a lot higher and the user could be the same distance north of Frankfurt instead of south where the user is actually located. Am I missing something?

Gulf

@zGato said:
You can also get from Kazakhtelecom directly in Almaty instead.

This is questionable. Can you provide an example of such IP?

Gulf

OP

You better share locations you are missing, maybe could suggest where to buy.

Checked rare locations

Ethiopia
https://websprix.com/services/vps-hosting/

Zambia
https://infratel.co.zm/clould-virtual-machine/

Cape Verde
https://nosi.cv/-/virtual-private-server

zGato

@Gulf said:

@zGato said:
You can also get from Kazakhtelecom directly in Almaty instead.

This is questionable. Can you provide an example of such IP?

Random IP from 178.88.0.0/16

Good luck finding it.

Gulf

@zGato said:
Good luck finding it.

You may be detected, but need an exact subnet (maybe /23 you can provide)

Some IPs like this 178.88.236.25 are really good.

Other IP here like 178.88.161.5 are 100% fraud score (ignore English, just google translation)

zGato

@Gulf said:

@zGato said:
Good luck finding it.

You may be detected, but need an exact subnet (maybe /23 you can provide)

Some IPs like this 178.88.236.25 are really good.

Other IP here like 178.88.161.5 are 100% fraud score (ignore English, just google translation)

Send me that website and I'll check.

Gulf

@zGato said:
Random IP from 178.88.0.0/16

Yes, IP is really good. Missing rDNS record like 178.1.1.1.dynamic.telecom.kz common for this provider, but you can add it anytime.

zGato

@Gulf said:

@zGato said:
Random IP from 178.88.0.0/16

Yes, IP is really good. Missing rDNS record like 178.1.1.1.dynamic.telecom.kz common for this provider, but you can add it anytime.

yeah I'm sure they would assign whatever rDNS record I ask them. My other server with own.tn does have it so dunno what's going on there.

fatchan

@Operable4829 Is it possible to submit corrections for the "privacy" details of an IP?

For example: 104.176.44.62 is shown as:

vpn:false,
proxy:false,
tor:false,
relay:false,
hosting:false,
service:"",

When in fact it is a hosting IP you can rent from a LET provider. Its part of a large /12 from AT&T but smaller portions are rented to various businesses.

zGato

@fatchan said:
@Operable4829 Is it possible to submit corrections for the "privacy" details of an IP?

For example: 104.176.44.62 is shown as:

vpn:false,
proxy:false,
tor:false,
relay:false,
hosting:false,
service:"",

When in fact it is a hosting IP you can rent from a LET provider. Its part of a large /12 from AT&T but smaller portions are rented to various businesses.

snitch

FrankCastle

@zGato said:

@fatchan said:
@Operable4829 Is it possible to submit corrections for the "privacy" details of an IP?

For example: 104.176.44.62 is shown as:

vpn:false,
proxy:false,
tor:false,
relay:false,
hosting:false,
service:"",

When in fact it is a hosting IP you can rent from a LET provider. Its part of a large /12 from AT&T but smaller portions are rented to various businesses.

snitch

Snitches get stiches too!

Operable4829

@nik said:
Soo, just to understand the fancy name of IP triangulation correctly. Let's assume we are in the south of Germany with a local provider, or even DTAG (AS3320). You have a VM in Stuttgart or Munich with which you are doing your RTT testing and you would expect to have a low RTT since you are close to the VM. The issue is that EVERYTHING is backhauled through Frankfurt, so the RTT will be a lot higher and the user could be the same distance north of Frankfurt instead of south where the user is actually located. Am I missing something?

That is where some of the other metadata comes in. We run traceroutes as well. With traceroute and other networking metadata and a ton algorithm we can reasonably create patterns of how packets travel in the internet. Then the final data is the ping data.

Operable4829

@Gulf said:
OP

You better share locations you are missing, maybe could suggest where to buy.

Checked rare locations

Ethiopia
https://websprix.com/services/vps-hosting/

Zambia
https://infratel.co.zm/clould-virtual-machine/

Cape Verde
https://nosi.cv/-/virtual-private-server

Thank you very much. I am working on it.

The form does accept affliate links or you can dm me the affliate links of these providers if you want. I will check them out.

MeAtExampleDotCom

@Operable4829 said:
What do you suggest we can do here? How can we improve the user experience and communicate these issues better?

If I were using such a service, I'd like to see some sort of confidence level on the API response, or even just a flag indicating that you have had to fall back to external data because you own analysis has not been possible for that address.

It might also be interesting to know if a result that is from your analysis is significantly different to the data from your external source(s).

How accurate do you feel your data is generally beyond country level? My home range counts out as UK/London but is actually served from an FTTC line in York - I'd assume the last couple of legs (between the ISP's peering point(s) with the national network backbone and the local cabinet) would add enough latency for you to be able to guess "almost certainly not London", even though I doubt that data would be enough to reliably give a more precise location (given all the peering for a lot of providers in this country good their one or two general locations, I expect analysis based on latency would give a rather defuse set of possible locations).

varwww

just curious, what tool do you use to manage all these servers?

SashkaPro

@zGato said: You can also get from Kazakhtelecom directly in Almaty instead

@zGato can you tell some more info about shopping on telecom.kz?
I mean, how much do you pay for your 1C1G instance (in KZT)?
2300 kzt and you bough it from idhost.ismet ? Or there are some secret url?

zGato

@SashkaPro said:

@zGato said: You can also get from Kazakhtelecom directly in Almaty instead

@zGato can you tell some more info about shopping on telecom.kz?
I mean, how much do you pay for your 1C1G instance (in KZT)?
2300 kzt and you bough it from idhost.ismet ? Or there are some secret url?

I got it from there yeah, for 2300₸/m (roughly $5/m)
They only accept CCs and at least Spain was blocked from making purchases until they manually lifted it for me.

Gulf

@Operable4829 said:

The form does accept affliate links or you can dm me the affliate links of these providers if you want. I will check them out.

I do not have affiliation with them
I operate internal hosting search engine.
Search and benchmark hoster for sending mail, like here
https://lowendtalk.com/discussion/comment/4026085/#Comment_4026085

Check changes, in email reputation during the year.

So find a lot of hosters, over 20k So can suggest, maybe, some rare locations / cities.

Gulf

@zGato said:
I got it from there yeah, for 2300₸/m (roughly $5/m)
They only accept CCs and at least Spain was blocked from making purchases until they manually lifted it for me.

It is amazing if they provide such quality IPs nearly for free. Then no need for own tn.