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mw

@EvosHosting said:

@mikewazar said:

@EvosHosting said:

@lowendtalkxdax said:

@EvosHosting said:

@lowendtalkxdax said:
Maybe sort everything through and reveal us the truth?
Most of your customers won’t blame you for lying before, as long as your prices are right. They’d rather prefer someone who turned to the right side. Everyone makes mistakes, it’s inevitable. But those who come back are the most respectable.

If you don’t come clean and wipe off all suspicions and allegations held against you, your reputation will suffer hard, inevitably removing your presence on LET.

The only reason I can think of, why you wouldn’t reveal the truth and continue to deceive us (that’s what most of us are feeling currently), is, you plan on making quick bucks and then run away. If you don’t want us to think so, please tell us the truth.

• No offense. Just stating my personal, rational, objective view. No harm intended. Just want to help.-

What truth do you want to know? I tell you a lie to make you happy? I have expounded the truth and will never change my version

1. Your exact relationship to tube-hosting, take some time and get a statement from tube-hosting
2. What happened to all HDDs, take some time and explain properly, not just “all 300TB still in delivery”
3. What happened the last few weeks, why there was so much performance problems, across pretty much ALL nodes,

And more I don’t remember but many other members do care about

1)Colocation,Network,Anti-DDoS and server provider in case of missing components
2)50% of the vps have already been delivered,
we plan to deliver the rest this week,
3) slodown performance in the last week: due to delays in the assembly and preparation of the servers we found ourselves with too many customers and too few nodes we completed the activation of 14 nodes in 2 days to date in fact a few nodes are slowing down of which node 5,2,3

This is a message to your questions,
today I will not respond further to threats or accusations

you have not responded to a single accusation from me with any proof or substantiation

Which?

i accused you of tax fraud and detailed exactly what my accusation is based on

allthemtings

According to mental health experts, many pathological and compulsive liars do believe the stories they're telling. They may have repeated their lies so often that they start to feel true. Pathological liars often live in a fantasy world they've constructed, in which their “truth” becomes reality.

EvosHosting

@mikewazar said:

@EvosHosting said:

@mikewazar said:

@EvosHosting said:

@lowendtalkxdax said:

@EvosHosting said:

@lowendtalkxdax said:
Maybe sort everything through and reveal us the truth?
Most of your customers won’t blame you for lying before, as long as your prices are right. They’d rather prefer someone who turned to the right side. Everyone makes mistakes, it’s inevitable. But those who come back are the most respectable.

If you don’t come clean and wipe off all suspicions and allegations held against you, your reputation will suffer hard, inevitably removing your presence on LET.

The only reason I can think of, why you wouldn’t reveal the truth and continue to deceive us (that’s what most of us are feeling currently), is, you plan on making quick bucks and then run away. If you don’t want us to think so, please tell us the truth.

• No offense. Just stating my personal, rational, objective view. No harm intended. Just want to help.-

What truth do you want to know? I tell you a lie to make you happy? I have expounded the truth and will never change my version

1. Your exact relationship to tube-hosting, take some time and get a statement from tube-hosting
2. What happened to all HDDs, take some time and explain properly, not just “all 300TB still in delivery”
3. What happened the last few weeks, why there was so much performance problems, across pretty much ALL nodes,

And more I don’t remember but many other members do care about

1)Colocation,Network,Anti-DDoS and server provider in case of missing components
2)50% of the vps have already been delivered,
we plan to deliver the rest this week,
3) slodown performance in the last week: due to delays in the assembly and preparation of the servers we found ourselves with too many customers and too few nodes we completed the activation of 14 nodes in 2 days to date in fact a few nodes are slowing down of which node 5,2,3

This is a message to your questions,
today I will not respond further to threats or accusations

you have not responded to a single accusation from me with any proof or substantiation

Which?

i accused you of tax fraud and detailed exactly what my accusation is based on

I answered you,
Evos pays VAT once a month on all purchases excluding VAT.
At the moment I have no documentation to prove this
I should ask my accountant

EvosHosting

@allthemtings said:
According to mental health experts, many pathological and compulsive liars do believe the stories they're telling. They may have repeated their lies so often that they start to feel true. Pathological liars often live in a fantasy world they've constructed, in which their “truth” becomes reality.

Then the ups I have in the office will be a figment of my imagination

EvosHosting

Good day people
im back to the work

mw

@EvosHosting said:

@mikewazar said:

@EvosHosting said:

@mikewazar said:

@EvosHosting said:

@lowendtalkxdax said:

@EvosHosting said:

@lowendtalkxdax said:
Maybe sort everything through and reveal us the truth?
Most of your customers won’t blame you for lying before, as long as your prices are right. They’d rather prefer someone who turned to the right side. Everyone makes mistakes, it’s inevitable. But those who come back are the most respectable.

If you don’t come clean and wipe off all suspicions and allegations held against you, your reputation will suffer hard, inevitably removing your presence on LET.

The only reason I can think of, why you wouldn’t reveal the truth and continue to deceive us (that’s what most of us are feeling currently), is, you plan on making quick bucks and then run away. If you don’t want us to think so, please tell us the truth.

• No offense. Just stating my personal, rational, objective view. No harm intended. Just want to help.-

What truth do you want to know? I tell you a lie to make you happy? I have expounded the truth and will never change my version

1. Your exact relationship to tube-hosting, take some time and get a statement from tube-hosting
2. What happened to all HDDs, take some time and explain properly, not just “all 300TB still in delivery”
3. What happened the last few weeks, why there was so much performance problems, across pretty much ALL nodes,

And more I don’t remember but many other members do care about

1)Colocation,Network,Anti-DDoS and server provider in case of missing components
2)50% of the vps have already been delivered,
we plan to deliver the rest this week,
3) slodown performance in the last week: due to delays in the assembly and preparation of the servers we found ourselves with too many customers and too few nodes we completed the activation of 14 nodes in 2 days to date in fact a few nodes are slowing down of which node 5,2,3

This is a message to your questions,
today I will not respond further to threats or accusations

you have not responded to a single accusation from me with any proof or substantiation

Which?

i accused you of tax fraud and detailed exactly what my accusation is based on

I answered you,
Evos pays VAT once a month on all purchases excluding VAT.
At the moment I have no documentation to prove this
I should ask my accountant

i would not ask you to post internal business documentation, i just ask you explain why you have conducted yourself in a manner leading to me accusing you of tax fraud

you wont do this, but i can ask anyway

EvosHosting

@mikewazar said:

@EvosHosting said:

@mikewazar said:

@EvosHosting said:

@mikewazar said:

@EvosHosting said:

@lowendtalkxdax said:

@EvosHosting said:

@lowendtalkxdax said:
Maybe sort everything through and reveal us the truth?
Most of your customers won’t blame you for lying before, as long as your prices are right. They’d rather prefer someone who turned to the right side. Everyone makes mistakes, it’s inevitable. But those who come back are the most respectable.

If you don’t come clean and wipe off all suspicions and allegations held against you, your reputation will suffer hard, inevitably removing your presence on LET.

The only reason I can think of, why you wouldn’t reveal the truth and continue to deceive us (that’s what most of us are feeling currently), is, you plan on making quick bucks and then run away. If you don’t want us to think so, please tell us the truth.

• No offense. Just stating my personal, rational, objective view. No harm intended. Just want to help.-

What truth do you want to know? I tell you a lie to make you happy? I have expounded the truth and will never change my version

1. Your exact relationship to tube-hosting, take some time and get a statement from tube-hosting
2. What happened to all HDDs, take some time and explain properly, not just “all 300TB still in delivery”
3. What happened the last few weeks, why there was so much performance problems, across pretty much ALL nodes,

And more I don’t remember but many other members do care about

1)Colocation,Network,Anti-DDoS and server provider in case of missing components
2)50% of the vps have already been delivered,
we plan to deliver the rest this week,
3) slodown performance in the last week: due to delays in the assembly and preparation of the servers we found ourselves with too many customers and too few nodes we completed the activation of 14 nodes in 2 days to date in fact a few nodes are slowing down of which node 5,2,3

This is a message to your questions,
today I will not respond further to threats or accusations

you have not responded to a single accusation from me with any proof or substantiation

Which?

i accused you of tax fraud and detailed exactly what my accusation is based on

I answered you,
Evos pays VAT once a month on all purchases excluding VAT.
At the moment I have no documentation to prove this
I should ask my accountant

i would not ask you to post internal business documentation, i just ask you explain why you have conducted yourself in a manner leading to me accusing you of tax fraud

you wont do this, but i can ask anyway

I try to explain things as best as possible even my English limits these things we pay 22% on each sale excluding sales that we issue a VAT invoice later I will read your accusations and give you an answer, now I kindly ask you to stop this spam

mw

@EvosHosting said:

@mikewazar said:

@EvosHosting said:

@mikewazar said:

@EvosHosting said:

@mikewazar said:

@EvosHosting said:

@lowendtalkxdax said:

@EvosHosting said:

@lowendtalkxdax said:
Maybe sort everything through and reveal us the truth?
Most of your customers won’t blame you for lying before, as long as your prices are right. They’d rather prefer someone who turned to the right side. Everyone makes mistakes, it’s inevitable. But those who come back are the most respectable.

If you don’t come clean and wipe off all suspicions and allegations held against you, your reputation will suffer hard, inevitably removing your presence on LET.

The only reason I can think of, why you wouldn’t reveal the truth and continue to deceive us (that’s what most of us are feeling currently), is, you plan on making quick bucks and then run away. If you don’t want us to think so, please tell us the truth.

• No offense. Just stating my personal, rational, objective view. No harm intended. Just want to help.-

What truth do you want to know? I tell you a lie to make you happy? I have expounded the truth and will never change my version

1. Your exact relationship to tube-hosting, take some time and get a statement from tube-hosting
2. What happened to all HDDs, take some time and explain properly, not just “all 300TB still in delivery”
3. What happened the last few weeks, why there was so much performance problems, across pretty much ALL nodes,

And more I don’t remember but many other members do care about

1)Colocation,Network,Anti-DDoS and server provider in case of missing components
2)50% of the vps have already been delivered,
we plan to deliver the rest this week,
3) slodown performance in the last week: due to delays in the assembly and preparation of the servers we found ourselves with too many customers and too few nodes we completed the activation of 14 nodes in 2 days to date in fact a few nodes are slowing down of which node 5,2,3

This is a message to your questions,
today I will not respond further to threats or accusations

you have not responded to a single accusation from me with any proof or substantiation

Which?

i accused you of tax fraud and detailed exactly what my accusation is based on

I answered you,
Evos pays VAT once a month on all purchases excluding VAT.
At the moment I have no documentation to prove this
I should ask my accountant

i would not ask you to post internal business documentation, i just ask you explain why you have conducted yourself in a manner leading to me accusing you of tax fraud

you wont do this, but i can ask anyway

I try to explain things as best as possible even my English limits these things we pay 22% on each sale excluding sales that we issue a VAT invoice later I will read your accusations and give you an answer, now I kindly ask you to stop this spam

ive messaged in the ticket

allthemtings

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@allthemtings said:

Why Choose EvosHosting?

Instant Activation: Say goodbye to long waiting times. Our VPS, VDS, and Game Servers are delivered instantly within 60 seconds (there might be a delay for custom configurations).

Order vps And try

gbzret4d

@EvosHosting said:

@lowendtalkxdax said:

@EvosHosting said:

@lowendtalkxdax said:
Maybe sort everything through and reveal us the truth?
Most of your customers won’t blame you for lying before, as long as your prices are right. They’d rather prefer someone who turned to the right side. Everyone makes mistakes, it’s inevitable. But those who come back are the most respectable.

If you don’t come clean and wipe off all suspicions and allegations held against you, your reputation will suffer hard, inevitably removing your presence on LET.

The only reason I can think of, why you wouldn’t reveal the truth and continue to deceive us (that’s what most of us are feeling currently), is, you plan on making quick bucks and then run away. If you don’t want us to think so, please tell us the truth.

• No offense. Just stating my personal, rational, objective view. No harm intended. Just want to help.-

What truth do you want to know? I tell you a lie to make you happy? I have expounded the truth and will never change my version

1. Your exact relationship to tube-hosting, take some time and get a statement from tube-hosting
2. What happened to all HDDs, take some time and explain properly, not just “all 300TB still in delivery”
3. What happened the last few weeks, why there was so much performance problems, across pretty much ALL nodes,

And more I don’t remember but many other members do care about

1)Colocation,Network,Anti-DDoS and server provider in case of missing components
2)50% of the vps have already been delivered,
we plan to deliver the rest this week,
3) slodown performance in the last week: due to delays in the assembly and preparation of the servers we found ourselves with too many customers and too few nodes we completed the activation of 14 nodes in 2 days to date in fact a few nodes are slowing down of which node 5,2,3

This is a message to your questions,
today I will not respond further to threats or accusations

50% of the vps have already been delivered

already lol

TERBITFILM

With a provider who is still a 3 month old baby, let's do regular backups to be careful.

EvosHosting

@gbzret4d said:

@EvosHosting said:

@lowendtalkxdax said:

@EvosHosting said:

@lowendtalkxdax said:
Maybe sort everything through and reveal us the truth?
Most of your customers won’t blame you for lying before, as long as your prices are right. They’d rather prefer someone who turned to the right side. Everyone makes mistakes, it’s inevitable. But those who come back are the most respectable.

If you don’t come clean and wipe off all suspicions and allegations held against you, your reputation will suffer hard, inevitably removing your presence on LET.

The only reason I can think of, why you wouldn’t reveal the truth and continue to deceive us (that’s what most of us are feeling currently), is, you plan on making quick bucks and then run away. If you don’t want us to think so, please tell us the truth.

• No offense. Just stating my personal, rational, objective view. No harm intended. Just want to help.-

What truth do you want to know? I tell you a lie to make you happy? I have expounded the truth and will never change my version

1. Your exact relationship to tube-hosting, take some time and get a statement from tube-hosting
2. What happened to all HDDs, take some time and explain properly, not just “all 300TB still in delivery”
3. What happened the last few weeks, why there was so much performance problems, across pretty much ALL nodes,

And more I don’t remember but many other members do care about

1)Colocation,Network,Anti-DDoS and server provider in case of missing components
2)50% of the vps have already been delivered,
we plan to deliver the rest this week,
3) slodown performance in the last week: due to delays in the assembly and preparation of the servers we found ourselves with too many customers and too few nodes we completed the activation of 14 nodes in 2 days to date in fact a few nodes are slowing down of which node 5,2,3

This is a message to your questions,
today I will not respond further to threats or accusations

50% of the vps have already been delivered

already lol

Yes we communicated that activations would take 1-2 weeks

EvosHosting

@mikewazar said:
Based on how they are handling taxes, i know a few other members have mentioned questionable, borderline criminal behaviour but let me explain what i find rather odd.

This host claims to charge 22% VAT under Italian law, yet when I sent them my documentation as a VAT vendor, I was told sorry, you are still going to pay us VAT because we generated the invoice already at a price including VAT.

After fighting with them, they acknowledged that yes I am VAT exempt under law, but the best they can do is give me a €15 discount and next time I order they can exempt the VAT. This €15 was a random number, it did not represent 22% of the order consideration.

The invoice included VAT, less €15 discounted. So they were collecting VAT, but it does not seem that they are actually paying this over to the tax authority, but rather pocketing it and using “VAT” as an excuse to pad their excl VAT prices they advertise

Then suddenly, I saw everyone else asking why they were paying VAT at 22% when they were excluded from it citing the relevant tax laws that apply

After this, Evoshosting started discounting everyone by changing their prices so that the consideration including 22% equalled what they would have paid if they were VAT exempt, but the VAT line item was just lowered so the net total incl VAT = what the net total excl VAT would have been

Strange?

and now subsequent, every order placed with evoshosting is more expensive excl VAT such that excl VAT I, despite being VAT exempt, now pay the price excl VAT what they would have been incl VAT at the original price

they then also changed the quoted price for servers ordered two weeks ago, citing they read their own website incorrectly and that the prices are now €65 more than originally agreed, but they would kindly discount that €65 bollocks number to €45 as a gesture of goodwill

guess what? the original price + €45 = what the price would have been incl VAT from the beginning

what the fuck is going in?

---

EvosHosting always applies VAT at 22%, except for VAT number holders. However, according to some European Community laws, EvosHosting can choose not to apply VAT to non-EU citizens, but at the moment, we are not applying this because we are waiting for confirmation from our accountant (the person who handles the company's tax declarations and legal matters).

We have almost always applied a 22% discount to Italian or non-EU customers, but I want to clarify that even if we apply a 22% discount, we still pay VAT.

For example: A dedicated server costs €122. A customer asks me, "Can you do it for €100?" I say yes or no; if I say yes, from those €100, I still deduct the 22% to give to the state at the end of the month. The rest is profit.

Regarding the price you mentioned, where you said we inflated it by €45, it wasn't due to VAT but rather a mistake during the order entry. Davide misread the screen; instead of 2x3.84TB, you had chosen 2x8TB, so to accommodate you, he didn't apply the +€60 base price for the upgrade but instead €45, which was accepted by you.

I hope this is clear. For any questions or doubts, you know where to find us.

bassetts

Just wanted to highlight your own terms of service

2.1 Delivery

Our services have a maximum delivery time of 7 days. For dedicated servers, this time may extend up to 4 weeks due to additional configuration and setup requirements.

Archive link, just in case https://archive.is/KUuvw

zed

I want to thank everyone involved for keeping this thread highly entertaining, love you all!

WhiteRoseG

@zed said:
I want to thank everyone involved for keeping this thread highly entertaining, love you all!

I agree, still watching keep it going

ImFound

@zed said: I want to thank everyone involved for keeping this thread highly entertaining, love you all!

I die laughing every time I open it

Moopah

How do you guys even manage to get beyond the ordering process LOL? I created tickets twice last month to try and order, and I only get back the word "Ok", that's it.

Thankfully I was unsuccessful but got an entertaining thread instead.

EvosHosting

@Moopah said:
How do you guys even manage to get beyond the ordering process LOL? I created tickets twice last month to try and order, and I only get back the word "Ok", that's it.

Thankfully I was unsuccessful but got an entertaining thread instead.

Ticket N.?

itzgeo

EvosHosting

allthemtings

Its not much but its honest work

gbzret4d

@EvosHosting said:

@EvosHosting said:

@mikewazar said:
Based on how they are handling taxes, i know a few other members have mentioned questionable, borderline criminal behaviour but let me explain what i find rather odd.

This host claims to charge 22% VAT under Italian law, yet when I sent them my documentation as a VAT vendor, I was told sorry, you are still going to pay us VAT because we generated the invoice already at a price including VAT.

After fighting with them, they acknowledged that yes I am VAT exempt under law, but the best they can do is give me a €15 discount and next time I order they can exempt the VAT. This €15 was a random number, it did not represent 22% of the order consideration.

The invoice included VAT, less €15 discounted. So they were collecting VAT, but it does not seem that they are actually paying this over to the tax authority, but rather pocketing it and using “VAT” as an excuse to pad their excl VAT prices they advertise

Then suddenly, I saw everyone else asking why they were paying VAT at 22% when they were excluded from it citing the relevant tax laws that apply

After this, Evoshosting started discounting everyone by changing their prices so that the consideration including 22% equalled what they would have paid if they were VAT exempt, but the VAT line item was just lowered so the net total incl VAT = what the net total excl VAT would have been

Strange?

and now subsequent, every order placed with evoshosting is more expensive excl VAT such that excl VAT I, despite being VAT exempt, now pay the price excl VAT what they would have been incl VAT at the original price

they then also changed the quoted price for servers ordered two weeks ago, citing they read their own website incorrectly and that the prices are now €65 more than originally agreed, but they would kindly discount that €65 bollocks number to €45 as a gesture of goodwill

guess what? the original price + €45 = what the price would have been incl VAT from the beginning

what the fuck is going in?

---

EvosHosting always applies VAT at 22%, except for VAT number holders. However, according to some European Community laws, EvosHosting can choose not to apply VAT to non-EU citizens, but at the moment, we are not applying this because we are waiting for confirmation from our accountant (the person who handles the company's tax declarations and legal matters).

We have almost always applied a 22% discount to Italian or non-EU customers, but I want to clarify that even if we apply a 22% discount, we still pay VAT.

For example: A dedicated server costs €122. A customer asks me, "Can you do it for €100?" I say yes or no; if I say yes, from those €100, I still deduct the 22% to give to the state at the end of the month. The rest is profit.

Regarding the price you mentioned, where you said we inflated it by €45, it wasn't due to VAT but rather a mistake during the order entry. Davide misread the screen; instead of 2x3.84TB, you had chosen 2x8TB, so to accommodate you, he didn't apply the +€60 base price for the upgrade but instead €45, which was accepted by you.

I hope this is clear. For any questions or doubts, you know where to find us.

Who wrote this since it differs from the typical gibberish that otherwise consists of compound words that I sometimes think I am writing with one of my microsoft support scammer colleagues

khnielsen

@EvosHosting said:

@bassetts said:

@EvosHosting said:

@bassetts said:

@EvosHosting said:

@bassetts said:

@EvosHosting said:

@mikewazar said:

@EvosHosting said:

@mikewazar said:
I am directly accusing you of VAT fraud @EvosHosting

No sugar coat. I am accusing you of fraud.

OK,
you go to the police station you make a complaint and in front of a judge you say if vat should not be applied

VAT is not applied to me, but what you are doing instead is padding your excl VAT rates to make them equivalent to incl VAT rates because you are not paying the VAT you collect to the authorities

We pay 22% monthly on each sale,
excluding those with a VAT number as we are not required to charge VAT

So why do I pay VAT on my services when I have a VAT number on my account?

If you have a VAT number you do not pay VAT

Would you like to call me a liar again?

You have to open a ticket and it asks you to enable the essential function from vat

So I guess when you said

@EvosHosting said: If you have a VAT number you do not pay VAT

that was a lie, now I have to jump through hoops? What is the point in allowing me to enter my VAT number on your billing panel if it does nothing?

Placing it on the panel serves to verify to the staff that it is correct,
to date, whcms does not have an automatic verification model

Not looking to jump in here - But what you wrote isn't correct, WHMCS do infact have 100% automated VAT control, including automated verification of VAT Numbers - This is all well documented in the WHMCS docs: https://docs.whmcs.com/payments/tax-configuration/

EvosHosting

@khnielsen said:

@EvosHosting said:

@bassetts said:

@EvosHosting said:

@bassetts said:

@EvosHosting said:

@bassetts said:

@EvosHosting said:

@mikewazar said:

@EvosHosting said:

@mikewazar said:
I am directly accusing you of VAT fraud @EvosHosting

No sugar coat. I am accusing you of fraud.

OK,
you go to the police station you make a complaint and in front of a judge you say if vat should not be applied

VAT is not applied to me, but what you are doing instead is padding your excl VAT rates to make them equivalent to incl VAT rates because you are not paying the VAT you collect to the authorities

We pay 22% monthly on each sale,
excluding those with a VAT number as we are not required to charge VAT

So why do I pay VAT on my services when I have a VAT number on my account?

If you have a VAT number you do not pay VAT

Would you like to call me a liar again?

You have to open a ticket and it asks you to enable the essential function from vat

So I guess when you said

@EvosHosting said: If you have a VAT number you do not pay VAT

that was a lie, now I have to jump through hoops? What is the point in allowing me to enter my VAT number on your billing panel if it does nothing?

Placing it on the panel serves to verify to the staff that it is correct,
to date, whcms does not have an automatic verification model

Not looking to jump in here - But what you wrote isn't correct, WHMCS do infact have 100% automated VAT control, including automated verification of VAT Numbers - This is all well documented in the WHMCS docs: https://docs.whmcs.com/payments/tax-configuration/

Hey thanks I didn't know that,
I will try the configuration

Silvest

@gbzret4d said:

@EvosHosting said:

@EvosHosting said:

@mikewazar said:
Based on how they are handling taxes, i know a few other members have mentioned questionable, borderline criminal behaviour but let me explain what i find rather odd.

This host claims to charge 22% VAT under Italian law, yet when I sent them my documentation as a VAT vendor, I was told sorry, you are still going to pay us VAT because we generated the invoice already at a price including VAT.

After fighting with them, they acknowledged that yes I am VAT exempt under law, but the best they can do is give me a €15 discount and next time I order they can exempt the VAT. This €15 was a random number, it did not represent 22% of the order consideration.

The invoice included VAT, less €15 discounted. So they were collecting VAT, but it does not seem that they are actually paying this over to the tax authority, but rather pocketing it and using “VAT” as an excuse to pad their excl VAT prices they advertise

Then suddenly, I saw everyone else asking why they were paying VAT at 22% when they were excluded from it citing the relevant tax laws that apply

After this, Evoshosting started discounting everyone by changing their prices so that the consideration including 22% equalled what they would have paid if they were VAT exempt, but the VAT line item was just lowered so the net total incl VAT = what the net total excl VAT would have been

Strange?

and now subsequent, every order placed with evoshosting is more expensive excl VAT such that excl VAT I, despite being VAT exempt, now pay the price excl VAT what they would have been incl VAT at the original price

they then also changed the quoted price for servers ordered two weeks ago, citing they read their own website incorrectly and that the prices are now €65 more than originally agreed, but they would kindly discount that €65 bollocks number to €45 as a gesture of goodwill

guess what? the original price + €45 = what the price would have been incl VAT from the beginning

what the fuck is going in?

---

EvosHosting always applies VAT at 22%, except for VAT number holders. However, according to some European Community laws, EvosHosting can choose not to apply VAT to non-EU citizens, but at the moment, we are not applying this because we are waiting for confirmation from our accountant (the person who handles the company's tax declarations and legal matters).

We have almost always applied a 22% discount to Italian or non-EU customers, but I want to clarify that even if we apply a 22% discount, we still pay VAT.

For example: A dedicated server costs €122. A customer asks me, "Can you do it for €100?" I say yes or no; if I say yes, from those €100, I still deduct the 22% to give to the state at the end of the month. The rest is profit.

Regarding the price you mentioned, where you said we inflated it by €45, it wasn't due to VAT but rather a mistake during the order entry. Davide misread the screen; instead of 2x3.84TB, you had chosen 2x8TB, so to accommodate you, he didn't apply the +€60 base price for the upgrade but instead €45, which was accepted by you.

I hope this is clear. For any questions or doubts, you know where to find us.

Who wrote this since it differs from the typical gibberish that otherwise consists of compound words that I sometimes think I am writing with one of my microsoft support scammer colleagues

@EvosHosting

If multiple people use the same account to respond, it would be helpful to end your message with the name of the employee😅

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nszerver

@EvosHosting said:

@khnielsen said:

@EvosHosting said:

@bassetts said:

@EvosHosting said:

@bassetts said:

@EvosHosting said:

@bassetts said:

@EvosHosting said:

@mikewazar said:

@EvosHosting said:

@mikewazar said:
I am directly accusing you of VAT fraud @EvosHosting

No sugar coat. I am accusing you of fraud.

OK,
you go to the police station you make a complaint and in front of a judge you say if vat should not be applied

VAT is not applied to me, but what you are doing instead is padding your excl VAT rates to make them equivalent to incl VAT rates because you are not paying the VAT you collect to the authorities

We pay 22% monthly on each sale,
excluding those with a VAT number as we are not required to charge VAT

So why do I pay VAT on my services when I have a VAT number on my account?

If you have a VAT number you do not pay VAT

Would you like to call me a liar again?

You have to open a ticket and it asks you to enable the essential function from vat

So I guess when you said

@EvosHosting said: If you have a VAT number you do not pay VAT

that was a lie, now I have to jump through hoops? What is the point in allowing me to enter my VAT number on your billing panel if it does nothing?

Placing it on the panel serves to verify to the staff that it is correct,
to date, whcms does not have an automatic verification model

Not looking to jump in here - But what you wrote isn't correct, WHMCS do infact have 100% automated VAT control, including automated verification of VAT Numbers - This is all well documented in the WHMCS docs: https://docs.whmcs.com/payments/tax-configuration/

Hey thanks I didn't know that,
I will try the configuration

Cheap-Node-5 bad I/O speed ...

Block Size	4k (IOPS)	64k (IOPS)
Read	42.19 MB/s (10.5k)	471.19 MB/s (7.3k)
Write	42.28 MB/s (10.5k)	473.67 MB/s (7.4k)
Total	84.48 MB/s (21.1k)	944.87 MB/s (14.7k)
Block Size	512k (IOPS)	1m (IOPS)

Processzor:

Test | Value
|
Single Core | 2976
Multi Core | 9295

dinhvanlocitvn

Cheap Node 11 with I/O speed:

fio Disk Speed Tests (Mixed R/W 50/50) (Partition /dev/vda1):
---------------------------------
Block Size | 4k            (IOPS) | 64k           (IOPS)
  ------   | ---            ----  | ----           ----
Read       | 24.37 MB/s    (6.0k) | 322.78 MB/s   (5.0k)
Write      | 24.38 MB/s    (6.0k) | 324.48 MB/s   (5.0k)
Total      | 48.76 MB/s   (12.1k) | 647.26 MB/s  (10.1k)
           |                      |
Block Size | 512k          (IOPS) | 1m            (IOPS)
  ------   | ---            ----  | ----           ----
Read       | 644.64 MB/s   (1.2k) | 574.94 MB/s    (561)
Write      | 678.89 MB/s   (1.3k) | 613.23 MB/s    (598)
Total      | 1.32 GB/s     (2.5k) | 1.18 GB/s     (1.1k)
Geekbench 5 Benchmark Test:
---------------------------------
Test            | Value
                |
Single Core     | 544
Multi Core      | 1525
Full Test       | https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/22801074

EvosHosting

@nszerver said:

@EvosHosting said:

@khnielsen said:

@EvosHosting said:

@bassetts said:

@EvosHosting said:

@bassetts said:

@EvosHosting said:

@bassetts said:

@EvosHosting said:

@mikewazar said:

@EvosHosting said:

@mikewazar said:
I am directly accusing you of VAT fraud @EvosHosting

No sugar coat. I am accusing you of fraud.

OK,
you go to the police station you make a complaint and in front of a judge you say if vat should not be applied

VAT is not applied to me, but what you are doing instead is padding your excl VAT rates to make them equivalent to incl VAT rates because you are not paying the VAT you collect to the authorities

We pay 22% monthly on each sale,
excluding those with a VAT number as we are not required to charge VAT

So why do I pay VAT on my services when I have a VAT number on my account?

If you have a VAT number you do not pay VAT

Would you like to call me a liar again?

You have to open a ticket and it asks you to enable the essential function from vat

So I guess when you said

@EvosHosting said: If you have a VAT number you do not pay VAT

that was a lie, now I have to jump through hoops? What is the point in allowing me to enter my VAT number on your billing panel if it does nothing?

Placing it on the panel serves to verify to the staff that it is correct,
to date, whcms does not have an automatic verification model

Not looking to jump in here - But what you wrote isn't correct, WHMCS do infact have 100% automated VAT control, including automated verification of VAT Numbers - This is all well documented in the WHMCS docs: https://docs.whmcs.com/payments/tax-configuration/

Hey thanks I didn't know that,
I will try the configuration

Cheap-Node-5 bad I/O speed ...

Block Size | 4k (IOPS) | 64k (IOPS)
------ | --- ---- | ---- ----
Read | 42.19 MB/s (10.5k) | 471.19 MB/s (7.3k)
Write | 42.28 MB/s (10.5k) | 473.67 MB/s (7.4k)
Total | 84.48 MB/s (21.1k) | 944.87 MB/s (14.7k)
| |
Block Size | 512k (IOPS) | 1m (IOPS)

Processzor:

Test | Value
|
Single Core | 2976
Multi Core | 9295

This Is not node 5