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CloudLinux pulled a DirectAdmin - CloudLinux Shared is now Legacy
MechanicWeb
Member, Patron Provider
DirectAdmin paved the way, and now our beloved CloudLinux is following suit. CloudLinux shared will no longer receive new features, and it will be called CloudLinux Legacy from now on:
CloudLinux OS Legacy will continue to receive the same reliable service, security updates, and base operating system improvements, it will not include any new features. Instead, all upcoming enhancements such as limit bursting, fleet management, and end-user upsell automation will be available exclusively in our CloudLinux OS Shared Pro, CloudLinux OS Solo, and CloudLinux OS Admin licenses.
Ref:
https://blog.cloudlinux.com/announcement-cloudlinux-os-shared-is-now-cloudlinux-os-legacy
Btw, this isn't about increasing prices. They aren't raising their prices. You just happen to be needing to buy the pricier Pro license in the future.
Perhaps they are just hoping that it will make AccelerateWP see some light?
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imagine using shared hosting
The greed almighty! It is disgusting…
This could be the dawn of a policy shift. So much happened in the last few years, it is difficult not to expect the worst.
Nothing is stopping them if they choose to follow the path of cPanel. Worse, if WPSquared or AccelerateWP becomes successful, then CloudLinux will have a model of per-website pricing.
The user base consists of hosting providers, and there is no unity among them. As a result, software vendors are now doing as they please.
Just came here to say
Wpsquared / wpaccelerate sucks.
And to stay on topic: i guess later 1 o 2 years max, cloudlinux legacy will be eol, forcing to pro. Just like DA
That could be one of their goals.
With this new strategy, they probably don't need to EOL Legacy.
New LVE Manager features are in the pipeline which will not be available in Legacy, forcing hosting providers to use Pro.
At least it's only 1-2 USD not 24 USD price difference as in DA
For now. With no choice, prices will be able to go up.
I know people want to see a devil in us... but really... We changed the name. That is it.
We are not discontinuing CloudLinux OS Legacy. This is just a name change. There is no plans to discontinue it. The reason for the change - I was tired of saying "CloudLinux OS Shared Pro" to differentiate vs "CloudLinux OS Shared" (which is now CloudLinux OS Legacy). For people who are using Shared - it is just a name change.
It is hard to believe (at least for me) that this February, CloudLinux OS will be 15 years old. When we released it, it was a product ONLY for shared hosting. It was called "CloudLinux OS Shared", and it was only about preventing one user from affecting all others in a shared environment. Many years later, and many additional products down the line, we realized that we can do more: We can make PHP hosting better, and not just for shared, but for every website. Yet, charging the same price for a server with one site, 5 sites, and 2,000 sounds seems wrong.
This is why we created CloudLinux OS Solo, Admin, Shared Pro. We also renamed CloudLinux OS to CloudLinux OS Shared.
Note that we haven't added any new features to CloudLinux OS Shared for the past 3-5 years. I think the last one we added was limits for resellers. We just don't see what features we can add to "Shared". The product is good and serves its purpose. Also, I believe people that want to stay on "shared", and don't want to move to "shared pro" - just don't value the extra features - as they are unwilling to pay extra $2/month for those features. I didn't want to force those features on everyone. I still don't want to.
As we invest more in more into making CloudLinux OS to be the best way to host PHP & WordPress sites - I really got tired of calling one of the flavors "CloudLinux OS Shared Pro". I wanted to simply: Solo, Admin, Pro. Or Single, 5, 30, 250, Unlimited.
So, that is all it is ... we renamed it. Otherwise, nothing changed, but the name.
Of course - if you really want to believe that we are all that terrible - enjoy. Yet, I hope 15 years working with us gives us at least some credibility that we care much more about being a good partner than about making an extra few dolloars.
All this wall of text in summary: greed. Carry on, nothing new here.
Q: Will CloudLinux OS Legacy receive any new features?
A: No, CloudLinux OS Legacy will not receive new features. Future enhancements will only be available with CloudLinux OS Shared Pro, CloudLinux OS Solo, and CloudLinux OS Admin licenses.
Clearly planning to shut it down
Please don't interpret the response like that.
A lot has changed in the last few years that hurt the providers. Providers are simply expressing their concerns seeing a similar move on CloudLinux's part.
It is by no means an attempt to make you or your products look bad. Rather a constructive criticism of your policy shift.
if any software receives no new features then its equal to EOL.
Its time hosting providers start supporting open source products like hestiacp - Unfortunately, there is nothing equivalent to cloudlinux in opensource universe.
This text looks like it was written by Benny vasquez for cPanel.
Why? The software is the same. Who uses it leverages it differently and has to pay for the right hardware to do so. Not you.
For you, it would be the same if I put a single site there or 2000. Am I wrong?
I know nothing about this product. But I know what the adjective legacy means:
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/legacy#dictionary-entry-2
Hey I've seen crazier. Where I work we had items installed on machines that are called 'toe guards'. Apparently their job is not to guard the toe. but I digress.
The big question really is how much proprietary code is in there and as long as it isn't much if someone is willing to fork and backport changes.
Yeah, starting low just means whoever did this isn't stupid. Minimize outrage, maximize the amount of people to lure/lock in. Once people upgraded chances are they'll begrudgingly take future increases.
Sure, it's the revenue that differs.
Let's not dig that hole. There might be something we might not want to come to light.
If it is a matter of price increase, a better way to label it as such. Let's say CloudLinux Shared would cost X; after X date, it would cost X+$4. That would be more acceptable to most folks than how it has been done.
However, if it is a strategy to shift to per-website or per-user pricing, it is a dangerous slippery slope. Let's not forget from phones, TV, microwave, and fridge to servers, everything needs software. If we encourage this trend, every major software vendor will eventually end up with a similar pricing model. And then the smaller ones will follow suit. We all are consumers. We all will suffer.
CloudLinux's shift to per-user pricing will also destabilize the shared hosting industry and hand over a pricing advantage to SaaS-based providers. If shared hosting cannot compete with SaaS, software vendors will eventually be affected, albeit, by that time, many of them will make short-term gains. But for the shared hosting industry, the blow will end up becoming a matter of survival.
It makes no difference for a software vendor whether the server has 500 users or 5. The software is installed on the server, and the vendor has no part in it. As far as revenue goes, 5 users can bring more revenue than 500 users. So, there is no way to decide just from the number of users.
It is an analogy driven by pure greed. We should treat it as such.
Eagle eye
lol
and then what is this -
"... it will not include any new features"
not a good excuse
So just because the name ticked you in a way - you decided to bring this drastic change?
If you'd really care about being a "good" partner then you wouldn't bring about any such pricing changes by justifying the name convention crap.
Just admit that the investors want more traction & figures - thus the increase. Web hosts have been crammed by almost every software vendor since the stupid cPanel price change. Every other web hosting related software vendor have gone in the same model.
So it's better to be honest and just say, "We want to hire more software engineers, pay their increasing salaries (also quarterly picnics/trips), move to a bigger office space and we want funds and so the price increase"
BlaZe came with all guns blazing.
Oh, so you also think CloudPanel is EOL then.
So, for people who expect us to do EOL on CloudLinux Legacy - you have to remember that we were maintaining PHP 4.4 until last year, when the number of sites using it dwindled down to <5k, and the number of servers was in the hundreds.
If we had been 'all about money' - we would have EOL PHP 4.4 much earlier.
Also, people who think that we should include each and every new feature for the same price ... don't you think you a bit entitled?
Regarding "We want to hire more software engineers, pay their increasing salaries (also quarterly picnics/trips), move to a bigger office space and we want funds and so the price increase"
Anyway - please, continue looking into how we are trying to screw everyone, and how we are doing such a terrible thing.
The main concern here - why the bs talk? Just say short and easy to remember: “ We haven't increased its price since inception.”.
Ok man, you have the right to charge whatever you want. That’s fine, but pleaaaase cut the corporate BS.
Correct.
@iseletsk is a tech guy. His wording will not be as smooth as a PR or sales guy. Lets keep that in mind.
This part is concerning:
Solo and Admin have more features than Shared. Yet they are cheaper than Shared.
What is the logic here?
Hey, I never said increasing the price is a taboo. On the contrary, I was trying to ease out the actual reason for the price increase which is totally understandable by folks here. Good developers cost money, sending them on quarterly picnics keeps their mental status in check. I think you took my words in a wrong context
I only chuckled at the reason which ignited you for this price change was the naming convention. I mean, folks here are smart, very smart. It's best to just be plain transparent/honest about the reason for the price increase, and thus I said whatever I said.
Why do you feel that you're doing a terrible thing? Price increase after years isn't a bad thing.
Chill.
Ding ding ding. Came in when the VC's did and boy did things go downhill. I remember being on the BETA and release requests an things were just ignored.
Will never trust AlmaLinux for this reason, Rocky all the way.
That is the point that led to opening this thread, yes. But this thread is actually more than that.
I feel like CloudLinux has made a strategical shift to introduce per user/website pricing at some point in the future.
This is the larger concern than Shared to Legacy. If it happens, many will leave CloudLinux. It would not be good for the industry. I for one do not want that.
Second company I see today that is "excited" to give bad news to clients?! So weird.
I'm out of the loop.
When did CloudLinux get tiers?
I just thought there was CloudLinux... and there was not CloudLinux.