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/24 subnet on LIR
Hello,
I've got a question,
Assume I bought an AS (one time payment) from a random sponsor from the "lowend-deals" list,
Then I'm buying a /24 and putting it to my AS' name.
What happens if my sponsor suddenly stops sponsoring?
Declares bankruptcy and stops paying his RIPE membership fee.
Will the subnet be taken from me? what about the AS?
And out of curiosity, what are the chances to get pre-approve for a subnet transfer nowdays?
The block will be used for a very new Hosting company within the RIPE area.
Comments
I'm not a specialist, but I would said they take it away from him. So you're "safe"
You can only rent it, you have to be a LIR yourself to own IPv4 space.
Since an ASN is PI space you can transfer it to any other LIR whenever you want, and don't forget that RIPE fees changed and you will be paying at least 60 EUR/year for your ASN sponsorship.
First of all, you can't buy a subnet if you are not the LIR. You only lease them.
Secondly, for the ASN, RIPE will let you know your current LIR deadpooled and you should find a new one.
Although being one of the LIRs on that list, I would be careful taking just the absolute bottom rate option. Go for someone with whom you feel at home, and who does not give you the feeling of going bust some day.
Nothing. Absolutely nothing will happen.
ASN is always Provider Independent (PI).
If you would buy an IPv4 range, and you are not a LIR, you have basically put two options - of which one only realistically is an option:
1) buy PI space, and it will be assigned by RIR to you directly.
2) buy PA space, and let the LIR have it in good faith.
With PI space, the sponsor is basically only a liaison. If they go bust, the RIPE NCC will register your resources as unsponsored. No big deal, you just have to get a new sponsor. This is really somewhat similar to domain registrars. You can move it around all you want. It is your resource.
If you go with PA resource, one way or another, they do not belong to you, and therefore, can go bust. This is NOT a recommended way, however, it is likely the cheapest option.
If you are really worrying, and considering IPv4 (nowadays at around the 10K mark for a /24), you probably also can spare the 1900 EUR needed for RIPE Membership.
I am not aware of this even being a thing in the RIPE NCC area. We have transferred both inbound and outbound with zero pre-approvals, no issues.
I would recommend you become a LIR yourself. Using PI resources for hosting (read: sub-allocating/assigning) is not allowed as per RIPE policies.
RIPE will contact you and force you to find another sponsor-LIR, otherwise the ASN will be deleted and returned.
For the /24,
As you said "I'm buying a /24", you can not buy that but instead rent from others,
So unless you can not login to your own RIPE portal, you still hold the /24.
ASN (aut-num) and /24 (inetnum) are just objects. They are only connected by another object which is called "route" object (also RPKI there, but it's another story.)
ASN will be terminated if you can not find another sponsor-LIR.
And
ASN will not be one time payment soon next year due to the new billing strategy approved from RIPE88.
Just to clarify, If I would pay to become a RIPE Member, and than buy a /24 from a popular broker (like ipv4 global), am I getting a PI or a PA? I just read the "RIPE-826" Doc but I am still confused.
Thanks.
@Cloudie sold thousands of ASNs at one time payment of $7~50.
Are they deadpooling next year?
Not sure
, if Cloudie is kind enough and keep covering the cost for them...
@yoursunny
is Cloudie your sponsor LIR?
AFAIK he is not accepting new asns but the current pay 75/y
You get PA
is cloudie not zappie?
Cloudie resells zappie
Delete thousands of one-time ASNs -> thousands of chargebacks -> merchant account locked -> inability to accept payment -> deadpool
Yes, I'm in trouble.
@yoursunny
I suggest don't do chargebacks. Providers are just people like us. Don't make them sad, be kind
Also $75/year is not a big amount, why not consider supporting your provider. Sometimes buying them a cake and a cup of coffee will make them feel good for a whole day long, I don't know if all others feel like this, but for me it is.
if i say what i want to say ill be in big trouble
My homelab and ASN is my hobby. I pay a shitload of money for other things I need less, so $75 per year for an ASN it's worth it.
This is determined at the time of the original request. Any listed space should be public, and thus you can look up the status of said prefix.
Feel free to jump into DM and we'll together check out this situation. This is sort of what we do for a living ... ;-)
And if you buy ARIN space and transfer to RIPE; you can select whether or not it should be PI or PA.