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The United States will cut off its connections with Chinese telecom operators
Here are the latest news
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/1-agency-bars-chinese-telecom-170806627.html?guccounter=2&t
Is this true? Will the United States cancel the direct Internet connection between China and the United States? What do you think about this?
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I did check the calendar to make sure it is not 1st April
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Not gonna happen.
You misinterpreted the news stories.
They will prohibit china from colocating and hosting routers inside USA, and force them to cross connect from inside China borders instead. This allows USA to prevent local companies from peering directly within US DC's with china and china from routing this data out from US datacenters with their private routes. Or something along those lines.
Think of it as a city gate vs multiple tunnels to outside from private houses in a walled city.
In short, it wont matter a lot for generic users. China can still access USA sites and USA can still access Chinese sites. Its just similar to the TikTok ban. Useless in grand scheme, looks good on paper, and anti-consumer/anti-competition.
Its funny how USA is more Communist than Communist Party of China when it comes to specific popular products from adversaries. First they try to take it over, if they cant, then just ban or destroy it and force your consumers use the less liked option or nothing.
What we are more concerned about is whether it will affect China Telecom's high-speed connection network with the United States, such as Cn2gia(AS4809), and whether it will disconnect China's POP in the United States.
@zbzzh Thank you for yet another very interesting and important post. I do not know the source of the information behind the Reuters and the Yahoo stories, but those interested might like to look at FCC Commissioner Starks' Statement at https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/DOC-370866A3.pdf as well as the two cases cited in the Re: section at the top of Commissioner Starks' statement.
A significant concern to the FCC seems to be differences between American and Chinese law regarding information disclosure by a business to the government.
I hope the differences between the US and China can be resolved amicably. 🌎🌍 Best wishes!
No they will not in long run. Internet is based on inter-connection.
When Trump comes into power, this stuff will appear at most cute, compared to what's coming. He's obsessed with China lol.
If this leads to China finally getting better connectivity to regular transits then I'm actually looking forward to it.
Forcing ISPs and Hosts to buy Transit with China specific network companies (for reasonable throughput and performance) is not good for routing quality, price or reliability.
For many years these costs have been passed on to western businesses and consumers. This could very well be a net positive out of these changes (once the initial adaptation occurs).
The internet would be a better and more robust place if all the Tier 1's had CN2/CT/CU interconnects with enough capacity between (for both Asian Neighnbours and the US). Even just because of the increase in points of failure.
Ain't gonna happen. Tunnels exist for a reason and there are other ways to piggyback if a carrier wants it, heck, even stealthy.
This is stupid, probably some politician had a curly idea and pushed things without consulting with some IT guy.
Unless the GFW is upgraded to handle the extra DPI needed, it ain't gonna happen either, unless for places outside the GFW and those already have good connectivity.
Hi @Maounique! It's okay to say what you want, but why express your valuable and important ideas in such disparaging language? How does negative language help? Thanks! Best wishes!
Adam Smith's invisible hand of the free market at its best.
I actually found it both informative and funny at the same time.
Its likely also the truth. Not to mention half of the users here use worse language in many threads.
It's pretty ignorant of many posters here given the fact that the US has been increasingly making it more public the Chinese government sponsored hacking of US industries. They're not fucking around when they talk about threats to US security.
Seriously, are you guys always this ignorant?
fwiw this is interesting changes if united states could pull it off, not just sitting as draft for another next few decades.
that's not surprising at all considering this forum is filled with mjj and the mod is getting their feefees hurt because of naugthy words.
Thats a China problem not a US problem.
Hi @stefeman!
@Maounique impresses me very positively in many ways. He is a good thinker! His Proxmox tutorials were great! We all are better off, in my opinion, having @Maounique here with us. It's just my personal opinion, but I think, if @Maounique sometimes were a little more gentle with his vocabulary, he might improve his already distinguished status here in our community. Just my two cents. You are free to disagree.
Best wishes!
Tom
Really?
Really?
Instead of worrying, it’s better to go to the United States directly
Hello Tom,
Really!
Let's not pretend you do not run to any thread you believe disparages Chinese folks like they're your children.
Yet you fall silent when it comes to latent racism run rampant towards Romanian and some European hosts no problem.
This is the second time I've seen you deviate from a non-biased moderator to a personal crusade. Perhaps I am just wrong and you selectively tag folks based on something else?
Does it have to do with the love you get from HostLoc folks or the review threads from your "MetalVPS" hobby?
Not sure a LET moderator is something you're cut out for, MetalVPS seems more your speed.
These alligator tears about certain things you don't like "stupid" and "curly idea" are beyond weird to call out.
The selective moderation depending on what races you like are tiring when you add the "I'm just a friendly old man who's about as self aware as Steve Carrell in The Office" attitude.
Best Wishes,
Kris
On the contrary, I DO understand where that comes from, politically, I mean, but, as others have said before me, it is both pointless as the circumvention is pretty easy for anyone who heard about encapsulation and routing and, even if it would have worked, it would have done nothing to address the "hacking issue".
You simply can't hinder hackers through routing, heck, not even with firewalls, unless really clever and maybe with DPI, even so, make their job harder, not block them, if your stack has a vulnerability and it is possible to connect from the internet to it, even if you block all of China, heck, all of the world except your organization, with enough patience, hopping and escalation, someone would get in.
As for @Not_Oles, I get it, I really do and I promise to be more careful after the people doing 100 times worse DIRECTLY towards me are also publicly admonished.
For example, I could rent a server in the US, INTENTIONALLY leave a vulnerability in, the Chinese or North Koreans would be able to connect to it and, voila, all traffic comes from my server, I can claim plausible deniability, job done and this is one of the many methods they could get in and don't need any accomplice to help them there are so many ppl who are simply pasting commands and scripts from "the Internet" and then forget about it for years.
As I said, even in ideal conditions, you can't stop hackers with routing or holding the gate, the GFW can't "protect" the Chinese people from "dangerous ideas", even the regular citizens can bypass it with minimal knowledge and tools, are the US actually trying to replicate that failure in the US as well?
Good luck with that!
Please ping me any time. Any of the other Mods too. Thanks again for your frequent and excellent contributions to LET!
They're not banning TikTok; they're forcing them to sell OR be banned. ByteDance's panic and rage at this proposition is suspect for a company that claims not to be handled by the communist party, not to say the least. TikTok is itself banned in China, and there's no doubt that PRC is manipulating the the platform's algorithms to promote Chinese national interests (like Uyghur rights) and depress awareness of info that counters the official narrative, or supports the foreign policy of adversaries (like pro Ukraine content). Additionally, the domestic Chinese TikTok analogue, Douyin, screens for much more informative and moralizing content, and it's hard to deny that the CCP isn't behind that policy. If the youth are the future, what better way to subvert China's enemies than by destroying the will of their youth?
And don't go on about how America is more communist than China. Try accessing anything outside the officially sanctioned web without a VPN (which are officially illegal). The TikTok "ban" in America runs parallel to India's decision to ban the platform, but with some even more liberal caveats like the potential of liquidation, but it's not like we're jumping out of our seats to brand India as "communist." In this race, TikTok, not American legislation, is the anticompetitive tumor. People in India moved to Instagram reels, YouTube shorts, Twitter, various domestic platforms, Whatsapp groups, Telegram groups, etc., and life carried on like normal, just with fewer Chinese tentacles in the mix. The same will happen in America.
I agree with some stuff, but when nation is breaking its own rules of capitalism to fight communism, it just looks bad.
Official disagreement. In my experience, the people who whine about other people's language have fucked up ethics themselves (e.g. religious fucks).
I don't think you read the article or understand the issue (as others have demonstrated). And if you claim you do, I'm afraid you're less technically skilled as I thought.
What are you talking about? Can't be talking about the US and the last 80+ years.
Hello @TimboJones from the LET Mod Team. The Team discussed the first two of the following posts in connection with your past history of severe warnings over several years for using extreme language. The decision was made to suspend your account so as to give you a week off to calm down.
We look forward to seeing you again after your week off! When you return, please try to take it easy! Thanks very much for your careful consideration. Best wishes!
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