SeFlow - VDS and Xeon 2234 50% off for the first 3 months

jsg

@seflow said:

@dev_vps said:

@alciregi said:
I don't se any provider advertising how many threads vcpu cores execution threads. Why are you asking to seflow to do that?

if the marketing is using the term thread, then it should be properly used

otherwise, as a general convention, CPU vCore means execution thread, not CPU core

Since they are marketing as 1 CPU core + 1 thread, it is factually incorrect

They can very well say 2 vCores

Are you sure about this? I see a thread nearby where they are talking about "dedicated cores."

In that case, I am also trying to understand as it is related to marketing; I am trying to educate myself a bit. :-)

edit: @dev_vps I have just received feedback informing me that this thread was already being monitored by the product group, and they are already publishing some updates on the VDS, making the CPU discussion clearer and adding 2 vCPUs to the VDS without changing the price. The change will be retroactive for all orders.

Nope, @dev_vps is right. In the context of virtual machines "dedicated" simply means that the vCores, which may or may not be hardware threads or, although rarely, even real cores, are not shared. In most VPS products though 'vCore' simply means that what the guest OS sees are whatever the provider pleases to provide; such, a vCore can be anything between 1/2 hardware thread and 1/8 hw thread (and occasionally even worse).

And @dev_vps is right again also re "hw core(s) + hyperthread". There simply is no '+'. IF a provider really sold 1 hw core + 1 hyperthread the result would simply be a VM with 3 vCores.

seflow

@dev_vps @jsg :

Thank you for your input. I want to clarify that it is not our goal to be the cheapest, but we aim to offer top-quality business services. Companies rely on our services for reliability, performance, and quality of support. We strive to provide business-level services at a fair price.

I am pleased to inform you that we have published the revised VDS offers, incorporating your suggestions, mentioning vCores, and presenting the offers as follows:

VDS 1 (Virtual Dedicated Server)
4 Dedicated vCores 3,5 GHz
8GB ECC RAM
70GB SSD Space
1Gbit Unmetered
Automatic incremental OFF-Site Backups
One-Click Installation APP

4.99€ VAT ext. first 3 months then 9,99€
PROMO CODE: 50OFF

>">ORDER >>

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VDS 2 (Virtual Dedicated Server)
6 Dedicated vCores 3,5 GHz
16GB ECC RAM
140GB SSD Space
1Gbit Unmetered
Automatic incremental OFF-Site Backups
One-Click Installation APP

9.99€ VAT ext. first 3 months then 19,99€
PROMO CODE: 50OFF

>">ORDER >>

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With the recent release, the RockyLinux 9 template has been added. The update is retroactive for all customers who have purchased a VDS. Those who have not yet received the update and are in a hurry, can open a ticket in our support portal and perform the free upgrade.

Below new YABS report of VDS-1, our low end vds:

# curl -sL yabs.sh | bash
# ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## #
#              Yet-Another-Bench-Script              #
#                     v2024-03-05                    #
# https://github.com/masonr/yet-another-bench-script #
# ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## #

Fri Mar  8 15:23:02 CET 2024

Basic System Information:
---------------------------------
Uptime     : 0 days, 0 hours, 3 minutes
Processor  : Intel(R) Xeon(R) E-2234 CPU @ 3.60GHz
CPU cores  : 4 @ 3599.958 MHz
AES-NI     : ✔ Enabled
VM-x/AMD-V : ✔ Enabled
RAM        : 7.8 GiB
Swap       : 4.0 GiB
Disk       : 64.9 GiB
Distro     : AlmaLinux 9.2 (Turquoise Kodkod)
Kernel     : 5.14.0-284.11.1.el9_2.x86_64
VM Type    : KVM
IPv4/IPv6  : ✔ Online / ✔ Online

IPv6 Network Information:
---------------------------------
ISP        : SEFLOW6
ASN        : AS49367 Seflow s.r.l.
Host       : DomFlow Cloud Services
Location   : Codogno, Lombardy (25)
Country    : Italy

fio Disk Speed Tests (Mixed R/W 50/50) (Partition /dev/vda1):
---------------------------------
Block Size | 4k            (IOPS) | 64k           (IOPS)
  ------   | ---            ----  | ----           ----
Read       | 119.53 MB/s  (29.8k) | 823.15 MB/s  (12.8k)
Write      | 119.85 MB/s  (29.9k) | 827.49 MB/s  (12.9k)
Total      | 239.38 MB/s  (59.8k) | 1.65 GB/s    (25.7k)
           |                      |
Block Size | 512k          (IOPS) | 1m            (IOPS)
  ------   | ---            ----  | ----           ----
Read       | 955.95 MB/s   (1.8k) | 905.65 MB/s    (884)
Write      | 1.00 GB/s     (1.9k) | 965.96 MB/s    (943)
Total      | 1.96 GB/s     (3.8k) | 1.87 GB/s     (1.8k)

iperf3 Network Speed Tests (IPv4):
---------------------------------
Provider        | Location (Link)           | Send Speed      | Recv Speed      | Ping
-----           | -----                     | ----            | ----            | ----
Clouvider       | London, UK (10G)          | 922 Mbits/sec   | 667 Mbits/sec   | 29.0 ms
Eranium         | Amsterdam, NL (10G)       | 919 Mbits/sec   | 919 Mbits/sec   | 28.6 ms
HOSTKEY         | Helsinki, FI (10G)        | 900 Mbits/sec   | 636 Mbits/sec   | 54.5 ms
Uztelecom       | Tashkent, UZ (10G)        | 830 Mbits/sec   | 196 Mbits/sec   | 101 ms
Leaseweb        | Singapore, SG (10G)       | 994 Kbits/sec   | 462 Mbits/sec   | 388 ms
Clouvider       | Los Angeles, CA, US (10G) | 760 Mbits/sec   | 192 Mbits/sec   | 167 ms
Leaseweb        | NYC, NY, US (10G)         | 846 Mbits/sec   | 271 Mbits/sec   | 100 ms
Edgoo           | Sao Paulo, BR (1G)        | 631 Mbits/sec   | 160 Mbits/sec   | 194 ms

iperf3 Network Speed Tests (IPv6):
---------------------------------
Provider        | Location (Link)           | Send Speed      | Recv Speed      | Ping
-----           | -----                     | ----            | ----            | ----
Clouvider       | London, UK (10G)          | 910 Mbits/sec   | 456 Mbits/sec   | 28.0 ms
Eranium         | Amsterdam, NL (10G)       | 910 Mbits/sec   | 910 Mbits/sec   | 28.4 ms
Uztelecom       | Tashkent, UZ (10G)        | busy            | 299 Mbits/sec   | 99.1 ms
Leaseweb        | Singapore, SG (10G)       | busy            | 267 Mbits/sec   | 388 ms
Clouvider       | Los Angeles, CA, US (10G) | 752 Mbits/sec   | 246 Mbits/sec   | 165 ms
Leaseweb        | NYC, NY, US (10G)         | 832 Mbits/sec   | 404 Mbits/sec   | 100 ms
Edgoo           | Sao Paulo, BR (1G)        | 621 Mbits/sec   | 119 Mbits/sec   | 182 ms

Geekbench 6 Benchmark Test:
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Test            | Value
                |
Single Core     | 1666
Multi Core      | 5134
Full Test       | https://browser.geekbench.com/v6/cpu/5228472

YABS completed in 14 min 8 sec

dev_vps

@seflow
These are much better offers. Thank you.

Do you charge VAT for US residents?

remy

@seflow said:
@dev_vps @jsg :

Below new YABS report of VDS-1, our low end vds:

Geekbench 6 Benchmark Test:

Test | Value
|
Single Core | 1666
Multi Core | 5134
Full Test | https://browser.geekbench.com/v6/cpu/5228472

YABS completed in 14 min 8 sec

That's very competitive now for this location.

seflow

@dev_vps said:
@seflow
These are much better offers. Thank you.

Do you charge VAT for US residents?

No, US residents are not charged for vat.

@remy said:
That's very competitive now for this location.

Thank you, your opinions and suggestions are always listened to by our staff.

tra10000

@seflow

OK, the resources have been improved, that's good.
Once you increase the disk size you are almost ready

seflow

@tra10000 said:

@seflow

OK, the resources have been improved, that's good.
Once you increase the disk size you are almost ready

Your opinion is very important to us. I will forward your feedback to the marketing.

jsg

@seflow said:
Thank you, your opinions and suggestions are always listened to by our staff.

First: compliments for not just salesman blathering but, it seems, actually listening to (potential) customers.

Some remarks though:

• Please already stop the "first 3 months" BS! Simply make it say, €7.99 (or whatever) and if any possible throw in a rebate for yearly paid in advance like e.g. "€88/year".
• Your VDS2 vs VDS1 is not logical. If you ask twice the price for VDS2 then also provide twice the resources! (8 vCores instead of 6)! Especially since 6 vCores in an 8 vCores single socket node makes absolutely no sense.
• I'm not sure that your offer is attractive the way it is. Just one example: you may be a big shot in Italy but if your offer is not clearly cheaper than netcup then why should I bite? After all netcup (and a few others) is a provider very well known for their excellent VDS ("root server") while, no disrespect intended, you are less well known (all over Europe).
• I get it, the Xeon E-2234 is single socket so your nodes can only hold 2 VDS1 - btw not really fully dedicated because you also need to run the hypervisor - or 1 VDS2, meaning you quite likely need to demand the prices you demand. But sorry, that's your choice and your problem. Maybe selling only the VDS1 and a 4 (real) cores dedi would be smarter because for a decent 4 cores dedi €25/mo would be attractive and 25% more revenue (than VDS2) ...

Anyway, I think your attitude (the way you react to critical questions) will contribute to you gaining respect. I wish you well.

dev_vps

@seflow said:

@tra10000 said:

@seflow

OK, the resources have been improved, that's good.
Once you increase the disk size you are almost ready

Your opinion is very important to us. I will forward your feedback to the marketing.

I will consider VDS-1 if the disk space is 100GB.

seflow

@jsg said:

Thank you for the details. I have already received confirmation that the product team is reading your complaints and I am certain they will make the necessary evaluations.

I am not familiar with netcup, but I am certain they will do a great job. In terms of offerings, our product team works to provide business services, so the offers are based on specific SLAs. An example of this is how we build our data centers; currently, we have one of the largest campuses in Europe in Ponte San Pietro (https://www.datacenter.it/en/aruba-data-center/italy-milan-dc-it3.aspx), and the Rome campus ( https://www.datacenter.it/en/aruba-data-center/italy-rome-dc-it4.aspx ) is soon to be launched. Among our clients, we have some of the biggest global players who require certain guarantees in terms of performance, resilience, and reliability. The international low-end market is new for us, and your opinion can be very helpful.

@dev_vps Thank you, I am sure that the product team will evaluate what has been stated.

amaeva080

OK, the resources have been improved, that's good.
Once you increase the disk size you are almost ready

Your opinion is very important to us. I will forward your feedback to the marketing.

I will consider VDS-1 if the disk space is 100GB.

Plus one to this. It will make this deal irresistible.

jsg

@seflow said:

@jsg said:

Thank you for the details. I have already received confirmation that the product team is reading your complaints and I am certain they will make the necessary evaluations.

I didn't complain, I simply commented, constructively I think. Anyway, you are welcome.

... provide business services, so the offers are based on specific SLAs.

Like what? 99.99%? 99.995%? If you mention it provide concrete info.

Btw. feel free to contact me via PM.

seflow

@jsg said:

@seflow said:

@jsg said:

Thank you for the details. I have already received confirmation that the product team is reading your complaints

My Apologies, English is not my native language. With "complaints" i mean "suggestions".

amaeva080

@amaeva080 said:

OK, the resources have been improved, that's good.
Once you increase the disk size you are almost ready

Your opinion is very important to us. I will forward your feedback to the marketing.

I will consider VDS-1 if the disk space is 100GB.

Plus one to this. It will make this deal irresistible.

Bought this @seflow
Please see if the disk can be upgraded to 100GB.

dev_vps

@seflow
Excellent performance

Tried playing youtube video at 4k resolution in full screen mode and it passed the test.
Running more tests.

A+ so far ..... 👍🏼👍🏼

jsg

@seflow said:

@jsg said:

@seflow said:

@jsg said:

Thank you for the details. I have already received confirmation that the product team is reading your complaints

My Apologies, English is not my native language. With "complaints" i mean "suggestions".

Concrete SLA info?

tdworz

@artxs said:
for some reason seflow has been getting tough questions and rough treatment, while other scam providers have gotten none.

Well there is obviously a difference between dedicated threads and a grossly oversold CPU the typical VPS provider is offering. People who pay for VDS need these details.

@seflow said:
I am pleased to inform you that we have published the revised VDS offers, incorporating your suggestions, mentioning vCores, and presenting the offers as follows:

Thanks for updating this. I wonder if you can update the original post as well.

seflow

@jsg said:

Concrete SLA info?

Please read our TOS https://www.seflow.net/doc/Condizioni_FornituraDatacenterOnline_1.0.pdf

Temporarily, it is only in Italian; we are waiting for the final review from the translators. We apologize for the delay.

@tdworz said: Thanks for updating this. I wonder if you can update the original post as well.

I'm unable to edit is too old post

@dev_vps said:
@seflow
Excellent performance

Tried playing youtube video at 4k resolution in full screen mode and it passed the test.
Running more tests.

A+ so far ..... 👍🏼👍🏼

Happy to know! i will report it to the division!

jsg

@seflow said:

@jsg said:

Concrete SLA info?

Please read our TOS https://www.seflow.net/doc/Condizioni_FornituraDatacenterOnline_1.0.pdf

Temporarily, it is only in Italian; we are waiting for the final review from the translators. We apologize for the delay.

Is that a joke? If so it's a bad one. So, although your TOS are available in Italian only, you are unable or unwilling to tell us a simple number ("availability")? Supposedly a joke too. I take that to mean that you do not offer better than the usual 99.9% and your mentioning your SLA to justify your not really attractive prices is in fact baseless.
I mean 3 nines is OK for a cheap low end product but for business use (you brought that up) not so much.

Wrt the delay, pardon me, but all I see is a provider who wants to sell internationally but is totally not prepared and ready.

seflow

@jsg said:

Thank you for your feedback, which I will pass on. To inquire about our SLAs, you can send an email to [email protected], and a sales representative will be happy to assist you with your request.

Please consider that SLAs vary depending on the service, so I recommend sending an email with your specific needs. The company is divided into departments for Enterprise contracts, business contracts, and residential contracts. I suggest specifying your request so that a sales representative, who can answer your questions and provide detailed information on all the SLAs of the service, can assist you.

Furthermore, SLAs also vary based on the service. For example, in terms of data center service delivery, we are currently at 100% uptime for power supply.

jsg

@seflow

Thank you for your feedback, which I will pass on. I hope to find you well.

dev_vps

@seflow

Can I expect 99% SLA for VDS-1 offered here?

One more thing,
I would strongly urge you to consider 100gb storage for VDS 1.

Thanks!

seflow

@dev_vps said:
@seflow

Can I expect 99% SLA for VDS-1 offered here?

I contacted our internal sales this is what we have:

99.95% uptime on an annual basis for the availability of physical nodes (servers) hosting the virtual infrastructure;
99.95% uptime on an annual basis for accessibility via the internet to the virtual infrastructure created and allocated by the customer;
100% uptime on an annual basis for the supply of electricity and/or air conditioning.

One more thing,
I would strongly urge you to consider 100gb storage for VDS 1.

I submitted the request for additional space to the product team today. They work Monday to Friday during office hours.

notdennis

waste of time "for 3 months"

dev_vps

@notdennis said:
waste of time "for 3 months"

is anyone forcing you to take this deal?
if not, how exactly is this "time waste"

WhiteRoseG

@jsg said:
@seflow

Thank you for your feedback, which I will pass on. I hope to find you well.

Iam getting deja vu

dev_vps

@seflow said:

@dev_vps said:
One more thing,
I would strongly urge you to consider 100gb storage for VDS 1.

I submitted the request for additional space to the product team today. They work Monday to Friday during office hours.

Any update on making storage space to 100GB?

seflow

@dev_vps said:
Any update on making storage space to 100GB?

At the moment, I do not have any information about potential changes in VDS profiles.

dev_vps

@seflow said:

@dev_vps said:
Any update on making storage space to 100GB?

At the moment, I do not have any information about potential changes in VDS profiles.

70gb space is not enough for the VPS.
I will not be renewing the VPS service

seflow

@dev_vps said:
70gb space is not enough for the VPS.
I will not renewing the VPS service

I understand. Except for the amount of disk space, how have you found the VDS service?