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cPanel on VPS, how many of you want it?

HivelocityHivelocity Member, Patron Provider
edited October 2023 in General

As we continue to further develop our VPS offerings, I wanted to gauge the demand for cPanel solo (1 account) or cPanel admin cloud (5 accounts) on VPS.

  1. Should we make adding cPanel available a priority?
  2. Which would you be more likely to use, 1 account for about $10 or 5 accounts for about $22. These numbers are rough but going to be close.

Thank you in advance for your insights.

Comments

  • JamesFJamesF Member, Host Rep

    50 or 100, but port 25 is blocked so not much use, unless I missed something?

    Thanked by 1sasslik
  • yoursunnyyoursunny Member, IPv6 Advocate

    CPanel is too oldschool.
    Do you have C++Panel or C#Panel or RustPanel?

    Thanked by 2gbzret4d Zreind
  • tjntjn Member

    @yoursunny said:
    CPanel is too oldschool.
    Do you have C++Panel or C#Panel or RustPanel?

    COBOLPanel all the way.

    Thanked by 1yoursunny
  • Jokes aside.

    I'm not a good representation of the current demand on the hosting market. But I'd imagine it's pretty fragmented. Having SaaS offerings (e.g., cPanel, DirectAdmin, Wordpress, SMF, etc.) would make it more attractive and interesting but could add additional overhead in maintenance and time.

    Personally for me, I don't use cPanel. I'd probably end up with an installation of Hestia over cPanel and DA, but if it's included for free then I'd use it (of which I don't think it makes sense for a VPS vendor to include the cost of cPanel with the server).

    Probably doesn't help but my comments are something.

    Thanked by 2homelabber sasslik
  • HivelocityHivelocity Member, Patron Provider

    @HalfEatenPie said:
    Jokes aside.

    I'm not a good representation of the current demand on the hosting market. But I'd imagine it's pretty fragmented. Having SaaS offerings (e.g., cPanel, DirectAdmin, Wordpress, SMF, etc.) would make it more attractive and interesting but could add additional overhead in maintenance and time.

    Personally for me, I don't use cPanel. I'd probably end up with an installation of Hestia over cPanel and DA, but if it's included for free then I'd use it (of which I don't think it makes sense for a VPS vendor to include the cost of cPanel with the server).

    Probably doesn't help but my comments are something.

    Sadly, cPanel and free don't typically belong in the same sentence.

  • FAT32FAT32 Administrator, Deal Compiler Extraordinaire
    edited October 2023

    @Hivelocity said:
    Sadly, cPanel and free don't typically belong in the same sentence.

    Well it does, "We provide cPanel-free shared hosting - DirectAdmin"

  • @FAT32 said:

    @Hivelocity said:
    Sadly, cPanel and free don't typically belong in the same sentence.

    Well it does, "We provide cPanel-free shared hosting - DirectAdmin"

    Wouldn't this become a trademark issue?

  • HalfEatenPieHalfEatenPie Veteran
    edited October 2023

    @Hivelocity said:

    @HalfEatenPie said:
    Jokes aside.

    I'm not a good representation of the current demand on the hosting market. But I'd imagine it's pretty fragmented. Having SaaS offerings (e.g., cPanel, DirectAdmin, Wordpress, SMF, etc.) would make it more attractive and interesting but could add additional overhead in maintenance and time.

    Personally for me, I don't use cPanel. I'd probably end up with an installation of Hestia over cPanel and DA, but if it's included for free then I'd use it (of which I don't think it makes sense for a VPS vendor to include the cost of cPanel with the server).

    Probably doesn't help but my comments are something.

    Sadly, cPanel and free don't typically belong in the same sentence.

    Haha yeah. I think what I meant by that is that cPanel no longer has a strong brand name recognition for me to warrant a premium in value. Their "Moat" has pretty much been eroded.

    Thanked by 2sasslik Peppery9
  • @Hxxx said:

    @FAT32 said:

    @Hivelocity said:
    Sadly, cPanel and free don't typically belong in the same sentence.

    Well it does, "We provide cPanel-free shared hosting - DirectAdmin"

    Wouldn't this become a trademark issue?

    Nope! Super common misconception.

    As long as your using it to editorialize or educate about a specific product/service, use it as part of an accurate comparison between products or services or you're making a parody/spoof, you're good to go.

  • @yoursunny said:
    CPanel is too oldschool.
    Do you have C++Panel or C#Panel or RustPanel?

    Finally, a good joke from you.

    Thanked by 1yoursunny
  • ezethezeth Member, Host Rep
    edited October 2023

    Most users don't care what control panel is used because they never visit it once wordpress has been installed and e-mail accounts setup. 50% of the websites on the internet are wordpress websites so typically you'd only visit wp-admin once wordpress is installed.

    Google Workspace or Microsoft Exchange for e-mail then wp-admin access is all I care about :)

  • Daniel15Daniel15 Veteran
    edited October 2023

    @HalfEatenPie said:

    @Hivelocity said:

    @HalfEatenPie said:
    Jokes aside.

    I'm not a good representation of the current demand on the hosting market. But I'd imagine it's pretty fragmented. Having SaaS offerings (e.g., cPanel, DirectAdmin, Wordpress, SMF, etc.) would make it more attractive and interesting but could add additional overhead in maintenance and time.

    Personally for me, I don't use cPanel. I'd probably end up with an installation of Hestia over cPanel and DA, but if it's included for free then I'd use it (of which I don't think it makes sense for a VPS vendor to include the cost of cPanel with the server).

    Probably doesn't help but my comments are something.

    Sadly, cPanel and free don't typically belong in the same sentence.

    Haha yeah. I think what I meant by that is that cPanel no longer has a strong brand name recognition for me to warrant a premium in value. Their "Moat" has pretty much been eroded.

    cPanel still has very strong brand name recognition outside of communities like this one. A majority of people that have no hosting experience and are looking for shared hosting still look for cPanel since it's either what they're familiar with or what they've viewed tutorials on.

    I guess my point is that this community is probably not the target market for this.

  • ArkasArkas Moderator

    I think If it's an optional add on either CPanel or DA would be a plus.

  • ezethezeth Member, Host Rep

    @Arkas said:
    I think If it's an optional add on either CPanel or DA would be a plus.

    Yes. Or maybe make it like how it is on AWS, vultr. When you deploy VPS you have the option to select wordpress. It will install everything and send you login details to wp-admin.

  • AXYZEAXYZE Member
    edited October 2023

    I would like to see a VPS with Enhance.com included and I would recommend such offer to a lot of people.

    Enhance panel is very clean and has amazing features with working migrations from CPanel.
    It costs $0.15 for website which is amazing... But theres $5 minimum charge and that is where your offer could come in by including one website in price or making it like $1 extra. You could talk with them if you could do such deal.

    For you its big advantage, for them its recognition and extra customers (only one website would be included) without big support overhead (this is why minimum charge exists so $0.15/mo customers wont be massive profitlosers).

    $5-$15 VPS with Enhance.com would be a massive best seller for all small Wordpress sites, you could take a lot of DO/Vultr + RunCloud/whatever customers.

  • JamesFJamesF Member, Host Rep
    edited October 2023

    enhance is nice, but I see a lot of talk about high RAM usage and other resources, so a VPS may not really be the way forward for enhance at the minute.

    Also the way it works, it doesn't work so well for a single vps server.

    There is no option to restore a failed server with the accounts, you still need the main server to be active. Also I don't think S3 backup has been released yet.

  • @ezeth said:

    @Arkas said:
    I think If it's an optional add on either CPanel or DA would be a plus.

    Yes. Or maybe make it like how it is on AWS, vultr. When you deploy VPS you have the option to select wordpress. It will install everything and send you login details to wp-admin.

    they want to make money, they won't make money on free panels or by simplifying people's lives, so they come up with different combinations to sell unnecessary Cpanel and thus make money, this is a business

  • AXYZEAXYZE Member
    edited October 2023

    @JamesF said:
    enhance is nice, but I see a lot of talk about high RAM usage and other resources, so a VPS may not really be the way forward for enhance at the minute.

    Worked good on 1vCPU + 2GB Ram for me for one Wordpress site. I didnt really analyzed RAM Usage but youre comparing it to what? cPanel?

    Also the way it works, it doesn't work so well for a single vps server.

    Yes, they putting much effort into clustering, but that would be an extra benefit as Hivelocity has a lot of capacity and a lot of locations. You could have one click HA.

    There is no option to restore a failed server with the accounts, you still need the main server to be active. Also I don't think S3 backup has been released yet.

    S3 backup and a lot more features are coming this week. ofc they have a lot of work to do, I know what you mean. :) but thats why Im not saying it should be at cPanel price, rather included or $1 extra.

    Many german hosts are including Plesk even in cheap VPSes (for example strato.de) and its difficult to find alternatives that are still in $5-$15 range with solid control panel.

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