Luna Node being extorted out of SingleHop

joepie91

@nunim said:
I've never personally encountered a false positive on Spamhaus, have you?

You're kidding, right? Their approach of "escalating to larger ranges" if their demands are not complied with, is virtually guaranteed to cause false positives.

Darwin

@Maounique said:
Spamhaus doesnt stop spam, they only benefit from it, it would be against their interest if real spammers would disappear.

+1

There are a lot of whole /24s used day and night for spam that don't get listed in Spamhaus. (or at least take months to get listed, even when honeypots are hit in 24 hours)

enitan092

@AnthonySmith said:
Giving out /29's is great however it should have been very obvious this would build a reputation as a great email host, that is sad but true.

A lot of clients really do not either understand or care about spam, to many of them they just think spam = hello I am price nagabodo from nigeria and I want to give you a billion groats or viagra,

They just dont understand that 1) cann spam is still spam and 2) mailing lists etc will generate spam reports in all but the most well executed of circumstances.

I think spamhaus will probably accept this and in the mean time I think you should work with the DC to have all outbound SMTP traffic from your servers blocked at a network level, set up a relay server and only allow customers to use the white listed relay on application, that way you can limit things to the point that no spammer will target you anyway and anyone that pays no attention and just starts sending (usually spammers) will be none the wiser but at the same time doing no damage.

not all spam comes from Nigeria

AnthonySmith

@enitan092 said:
not all spam comes from Nigeria

I did not say that, in fact I would say the vast majority does not, I am saying that people who think sending 20k emails p/day to a mailing list they bought and do not consider it spam have a very narrow view of what spam actually is and that was one of the examples commonly known as spam

perennate

Also, not all bulk mail is illegal. We've updated our Terms of Service though, so any sending of bulk mail is prohibited, whether or not unsolicited, unless advance permission is given.

AnthonySmith

Yup not illegal but frankly black lists don't care.

Some of the biggest issue causers are people who think they need multiple IP's to begin with if your mail server is set up correctly and your only sending people mail who expect it or request it you only ever need 1 IP and should never be on any black list.

I have lost count of how many "I need at least 5 IP's so I can rotate them when they get black listed" requests I have had.

Honestly the best thing you can do is set up your own relay with 10 IP's and an IP based auth list, takes 10 minutes to set up with postfix and you can use the black list plug-ins also, deny port 25 completely at a network level and open the relay to IP's on request not by default.

enitan092

@AnthonySmith said:
I did not say that, in fact I would say the vast majority does not, I am saying that people who think sending 20k emails p/day to a mailing list they bought and do not consider it spam have a very narrow view of what spam actually is and that was one of the examples commonly known as spam

ok