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Debian 12 Discussion - benefits & disadvantages

JasonhyperhostJasonhyperhost Member, Patron Provider
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Hey Guys , with the New Debian 12 have many used it yet & production benefits & disadvantages anyone has had so far know its very early on.

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  • risharderisharde Patron Provider, Veteran

    The only disadvantage I see so far based on what some providers are recommending is that the newer Debian (I believe that is 12?) uses more ram so they are recommending vps higher than 1gb which might just be a sales tactic (?). I assume a lean version would be able to run on less than 1 gb but not tested.

  • suutsuut Member

    Python seems to have some issues.

  • speedypagespeedypage Member, Patron Provider

    6.1 kernel is awesome! We're using Debian 12 on our new hypervisors and will upgrade older ones over time.

  • cybertechcybertech Member

    advantage is new.
    disadvantage is new.

    Thanked by 5yoursunny shelfchair vastness4594 anubhavhirani sportingdan
  • raindog308raindog308 Administrator, Veteran

    PHP8, if that's your thing

  • tuctuc Member

    It features some things new but meaningless to low-ends :)

  • abiaolaogeabiaolaoge Member

    disadvantage: unable to uninstall perl-modules package

  • bvgfao40723bvgfao40723 Member
    edited June 2023

    Debian 12 uses more RAM.

  • defaultdefault Veteran

    @bvgfao40723 said:
    Debian 12 uses more RAM.

    True. It seems Debian becomes bloated?

  • bvgfao40723bvgfao40723 Member

    @default said:
    True. It seems Debian becomes bloated?

    According to my recollection, after I upgraded from Debian11 to Debian12 before, the memory usage did not change.

    But after my clean install yesterday, the memory usage increased significantly.

  • WebProjectWebProject Host Rep, Veteran

    @suut said:
    Python seems to have some issues.

    The OS is new so need to expect some issues, similar to PHP7 when the new version was just released had ridiculous amount of bugs

  • DataRecoveryDataRecovery Member

    @risharde said:
    the newer Debian (I believe that is 12?) uses more ram so they are recommending vps higher than 1gb

    @bvgfao40723 said:
    Debian 12 uses more RAM.

    @default said:
    True. It seems Debian becomes bloated?

    Would really like to hear RAM usage feedback from fellow low-enders (both KVM and OpenVZ).

    Hope that 1GB+ requirement is for the full ISO, not for the minimal one,

  • angstromangstrom Moderator

    @DataRecovery said:

    @risharde said:
    the newer Debian (I believe that is 12?) uses more ram so they are recommending vps higher than 1gb

    @bvgfao40723 said:
    Debian 12 uses more RAM.

    @default said:
    True. It seems Debian becomes bloated?

    Would really like to hear RAM usage feedback from fellow low-enders (both KVM and OpenVZ).

    Hope that 1GB+ requirement is for the full ISO, not for the minimal one,

    Naturally, how much RAM you need also depends on how much you want to run

    That said, the Installation Guide says:

    You must have at least 780MB of memory and 1160MB of hard disk space to perform a normal installation.

    ( https://www.debian.org/releases/bookworm/amd64/ch02s05.en.html )

  • MumblyMumbly Member
    edited June 2023

    @DataRecovery said:
    Would really like to hear RAM usage feedback from fellow low-enders (both KVM and OpenVZ).

    Hope that 1GB+ requirement is for the full ISO, not for the minimal one,

    Just upgraded my 512MB memory KVM (E5-2680 v2) VPS from bullseye to bookworm and nothing too drastic so far. No tweaking or anything, just direct dist upgrade & reboot.

    root@rack-atlanta:~# lsb_release -a
No LSB modules are available.
Distributor ID: Debian
Description:    Debian GNU/Linux 12 (bookworm)
Release:        12
Codename:       bookworm


root@rack-atlanta:~# free -m
               total        used        free      shared  buff/cache   available
Mem:             457          68         316           1          85         388
Swap:            511           0         511

    Yesterday upgraded & rebooted 2GB memory KVM (AMD Ryzen 9 7950X) VPS:

    root@germany2:~# lsb_release -a
No LSB modules are available.
Distributor ID: Debian
Description:    Debian GNU/Linux 12 (bookworm)
Release:        12
Codename:       bookworm

root@germany2:~# free -m
               total        used        free      shared  buff/cache   available
Mem:            1932         350        1424           0         303        1582
Swap:           1023           0        1023

    Yesterday upgraded & rebooted 2GB memory KVM (CPU E5-2698 v4) VPS:

    root@england:~# lsb_release -a
No LSB modules are available.
Distributor ID: Debian
Description:    Debian GNU/Linux 12 (bookworm)
Release:        12
Codename:       bookworm

root@england:~# free -m
               total        used        free      shared  buff/cache   available
Mem:            1967         242        1693           1         175        1725
Swap:            974           0         974

    Yesterday upgraded & rebooted 2GB memory lxc (CPU E5-2680 v4) VPS:

    root@1117:~# lsb_release -a
No LSB modules are available.
Distributor ID: Debian
Description:    Debian GNU/Linux 12 (bookworm)
Release:        12
Codename:       bookworm

root@1117:~# free -m
               total        used        free      shared  buff/cache   available
Mem:            2000          46        1688           0         264        1953
Swap:              0           0           0
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