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mailbox.org sunsets legacy Mail plan

DevilDevil Member

I personally don't find value for money at more than 1 Euro per month. They mail services are good, but nothing else.

Is anyone here affected? Are you moving to their higher tier or moving out? What all are you exploring?

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  • jarjar Patron Provider, Top Host, Veteran

    Gonna be a good year for MXroute, hop on any promos while they're open!

    I don't shamelessly do this very often so surely I can get some social credit for being as sparing with advertising my work as I am 😂

  • nick_nick_ Member

    I was gonna suggest moving to MXroute. $15/year for 25GB mail storage is very hard to come by. I'm using this one for the long term.

    https://lowendtalk.com/discussion/185192/mxroute-spring-promo-15-year/p1

    Thanked by 1jar
  • LeviLevi Member

    For some reason I think mail hosting has super massive margins as you can cram a ton of users into single machine. Sending infra is totally different and it does not matter if there is 10 000 senders or 100 000. Hourly limits control chaos. The biggest investment here is proper strategy to fight against big players: google, MS etc. regarding delivery, delistings.

    Thanked by 1jar
  • jarjar Patron Provider, Top Host, Veteran

    @LTniger said:
    For some reason I think mail hosting has super massive margins as you can cram a ton of users into single machine. Sending infra is totally different and it does not matter if there is 10 000 senders or 100 000. Hourly limits control chaos. The biggest investment here is proper strategy to fight against big players: google, MS etc. regarding delivery, delistings.

    The real investment is either employees or a life of dedication to it. You can pick both, but you have to pick at least one.

  • MumblyMumbly Member
    edited April 2023

    @Devil said: Is anyone here affected?

    Can you be more specific? Any announcement?
    What was the legacy plan compared to the light & standard plan?

    edit.
    Ah, I see https://kb.mailbox.org/en/private/price-plan-updates-private-customers-2023

  • Dear customer,

    you are currently using a old price plan of mailbox.org, that we cannot offer anymore.
    Please switch to one of our three current price plans.

    Existing credit will be added to the contract term when switching plans.
    Additional information can be found in our FAQ.

    Kind regards,
    Your mailbox.org team

    dubious guys and strange business behavior. will quit!

    Thanked by 1Devil
  • therefore, if at all, only posteo can be recommended. i have always warned against mailbox.org anyway!

  • @LTniger said:
    For some reason I think mail hosting has super massive margins as you can cram a ton of users into single machine. Sending infra is totally different and it does not matter if there is 10 000 senders or 100 000. Hourly limits control chaos. The biggest investment here is proper strategy to fight against big players: google, MS etc. regarding delivery, delistings.

    I expect the biggest problem with mail hosting is fighting deliverability issues: dealing with overzealous or just badly configured filtering elsewhere, and detecting & cleaning up after genuine issues (i.e. when your checks/limits let a spammer through so your service's outgoing addresses earn a reputation hit). That latter risk only grows with the number of users.

    Also the support hassle of dealing with those 000s of customers: you can bet your arse that every single delivery issue is world ending, and it is all your fault even if it turns out they sent the message to the wrong address (many will complain before checking details like that).

  • @Devil said:
    I personally don't find value for money at more than 1 Euro per month. They mail services are good, but nothing else.

    Is anyone here affected? Are you moving to their higher tier or moving out? What all are you exploring?

    I am affected and I am disappointed massively by this announcement. Basically I don’t need much, their light plan is almost as good as their current „Mail“ plan, however I have two own domains with them. So although I don’t need all their bullshit features they want me to pay 3€ now for having the custom domain.

    Yep, so I will switch to their light plan and over time not use the @ mailbox.org any further. But I am still sad, because I like the founder, who is full of energy and an avid defender of free speech.

    Thanked by 1Devil
  • the biggest problem with mailbox.org is the ideologues behind the company. these specialists would be better off in politics than in the email industry.

  • @hyperblast said:
    the biggest problem with mailbox.org is the ideologues behind the company. these specialists would be better off in politics than in the email industry.

    Why is that a problem? I don’t see a problem in a provider being political as long as they are liberal and don’t begin to ban random people as per their ideological beliefs.

  • YmpkerYmpker Member
    edited April 2023

    I haven't used Mailbox.org, but couldn't most of this be done with choosing a solid (budget) shared hosting provider that ensures delivery using MailChannels/Mailbaby (or similar) and keeping your email domain externally with some other host so you can move any time?

    Or just use @jar MxRoute? Or Migadu Lite plan?

  • LeviLevi Member

    @chrisp said:

    @hyperblast said:
    the biggest problem with mailbox.org is the ideologues behind the company. these specialists would be better off in politics than in the email industry.

    Why is that a problem? I don’t see a problem in a provider being political as long as they are liberal and don’t begin to ban random people as per their ideological beliefs.

    Usually politics comes with ideaology. And ideology in it's sence is bad as it is very limited. You must do X because of Y and there is no Z. Business should be politically neutral for best customer experience. Thought, it is utopia.

  • @chrisp said:

    @hyperblast said:
    the biggest problem with mailbox.org is the ideologues behind the company. these specialists would be better off in politics than in the email industry.

    Why is that a problem? I don’t see a problem in a provider being political as long as they are liberal and don’t begin to ban random people as per their ideological beliefs.

    then you should take a closer look at mailbox and the background companies and their pol. activities... take your time and research deeply!

  • @Ympker said:
    I haven't used Mailbox.org, but couldn't most of this be done with choosing a solid (budget) shared hosting provider that ensures delivery using MailChannels/Mailbaby (or similar) and keeping your email domain externally with some other host so you can move any time?

    Or just use @jar MxRoute? Or Migadu Lite plan?

    does mxroute cover european data protection regulations?

  • DevilDevil Member

    @chrisp said:
    Yep, so I will switch to their light plan and over time not use the @ mailbox.org any further. But I am still sad, because I like the founder, who is full of energy and an avid defender of free speech.

    I also did the mistake of using their @mailbox.org email. Never again. I am not going to use any email address ever that is not free or not on my domain.

    As for the founder, I don’t know him and honestly I don’t want to. I really want to treat them as a business and only as a business.

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  • the founder of mailbox.org is overrated.

  • @hyperblast said:

    @Ympker said:
    I haven't used Mailbox.org, but couldn't most of this be done with choosing a solid (budget) shared hosting provider that ensures delivery using MailChannels/Mailbaby (or similar) and keeping your email domain externally with some other host so you can move any time?

    Or just use @jar MxRoute? Or Migadu Lite plan?

    does mxroute cover european data protection regulations?

    I'm not sure. Maybe something along the lines Cloudflare does ("We are trying our best to comply with GDPR..."). That said, @jar maybe can answer this?

    Thanked by 1jar
  • jarjar Patron Provider, Top Host, Veteran

    @Ympker said:

    @hyperblast said:

    @Ympker said:
    I haven't used Mailbox.org, but couldn't most of this be done with choosing a solid (budget) shared hosting provider that ensures delivery using MailChannels/Mailbaby (or similar) and keeping your email domain externally with some other host so you can move any time?

    Or just use @jar MxRoute? Or Migadu Lite plan?

    does mxroute cover european data protection regulations?

    I'm not sure. Maybe something along the lines Cloudflare does ("We are trying our best to comply with GDPR..."). That said, @jar maybe can answer this?

    Got a small documentation article about it: https://mxroutedocs.com/general/gdpr/

    Thanked by 2Ympker hyperblast
  • @jar said:

    @Ympker said:

    @hyperblast said:

    @Ympker said:
    I haven't used Mailbox.org, but couldn't most of this be done with choosing a solid (budget) shared hosting provider that ensures delivery using MailChannels/Mailbaby (or similar) and keeping your email domain externally with some other host so you can move any time?

    Or just use @jar MxRoute? Or Migadu Lite plan?

    does mxroute cover european data protection regulations?

    I'm not sure. Maybe something along the lines Cloudflare does ("We are trying our best to comply with GDPR..."). That said, @jar maybe can answer this?

    Got a small documentation article about it: https://mxroutedocs.com/general/gdpr/

    To what extent do you comply with GDPR?

    As a company based in the US with no operations (employees, incorporation, etc) inside of the EU we are neutral on the matter of GDPR. We may well be compliant with it, but we make no direct effort to be. As this topic appears to generate a high volume of arguments, please direct any and all arguments on this topic to your own legal advisors. Whether or not this makes it legal for you to do business with us, from your location, is outside of our expertise.

    Updated on 01 Jan 0001

  • MumblyMumbly Member
    edited April 2023

    @Devil said: I am not going to use any email address ever that is not free or not on my domain.

    I use mailbox.org with my own domains "Aliases own domain: (17 of a max. of 50)" and I like it very much.
    In fact, with all possible features I find useful, my favourite mail provider (for 30 eur / yearly).

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