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Chasing the highest GB5 scores is basically useless for most web apps
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Chasing the highest GB5 scores is basically useless for most web apps

I have always looked for servers with the highest GB5 scores, thinking that it would make a significant difference.

But since I started to use a VPS with a GB5 score or just 585 I realized that for most webapps there is no practical difference in response times if you have a fast disk for databases and plenty of ram. On my SSDNodes VPS I have 22 apps of different types and I don't see any difference at all in performance even compared with other servers with scores up to 1200-1300 single core.

Do you see an actual difference with different GB5 scores with regular webapps?

Comments

  • wait till you get one with 2,000.

  • ArkasArkas Moderator

    It depends as what you define as "regular webapps" I guess. I do see a big difference on the apps I self host.

  • I wont idle on anything less than a server that can pull 3000 gb5

  • And how much traffic you get in all of these web apps to conclude that CPU benchmark doesn't matter?

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  • gb5 is outdated! gb6 is the deal!

  • @cybertech said:
    wait till you get one with 2,000.

    # ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## #
    #              Yet-Another-Bench-Script              #
    #                     v2022-12-29                    #
    # https://github.com/masonr/yet-another-bench-script #
    # ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## #
    
    Wed Jan 25 21:58:46 EET 2023
    
    Basic System Information:
    ---------------------------------
    Uptime     : 0 days, 0 hours, 1 minutes
    Processor  : 12th Gen Intel(R) Core(TM) i9-12900K
    CPU cores  : 1 @ 3187.200 MHz
    AES-NI     : ✔ Enabled
    VM-x/AMD-V : ✔ Enabled
    RAM        : 1.9 GiB
    Swap       : 4.0 GiB
    Disk       : 29.5 GiB
    Distro     : Debian GNU/Linux 11 (bullseye)
    Kernel     : 5.10.0-21-amd64
    
    fio Disk Speed Tests (Mixed R/W 50/50):
    ---------------------------------
    Block Size | 4k            (IOPS) | 64k           (IOPS)
      ------   | ---            ----  | ----           ----
    Read       | 631.98 MB/s (157.9k) | 3.03 GB/s    (47.3k)
    Write      | 633.64 MB/s (158.4k) | 3.04 GB/s    (47.6k)
    Total      | 1.26 GB/s   (316.4k) | 6.07 GB/s    (94.9k)
               |                      |
    Block Size | 512k          (IOPS) | 1m            (IOPS)
      ------   | ---            ----  | ----           ----
    Read       | 3.43 GB/s     (6.7k) | 3.38 GB/s     (3.3k)
    Write      | 3.61 GB/s     (7.0k) | 3.60 GB/s     (3.5k)
    Total      | 7.04 GB/s    (13.7k) | 6.99 GB/s     (6.8k)
    
    iperf3 Network Speed Tests (IPv4):
    ---------------------------------
    Provider        | Location (Link)           | Send Speed      | Recv Speed      | Ping
    -----           | -----                     | ----            | ----            | ----
    Clouvider       | London, UK (10G)          | 4.39 Gbits/sec  | 4.22 Gbits/sec  | 44.4 ms
    Scaleway        | Paris, FR (10G)           | 4.77 Gbits/sec  | 4.81 Gbits/sec  | 39.6 ms
    NovoServe       | North Holland, NL (40G)   | 5.26 Gbits/sec  | 5.27 Gbits/sec  | 39.1 ms
    Uztelecom       | Tashkent, UZ (10G)        | 630 Mbits/sec   | 743 Mbits/sec   | 67.4 ms
    Clouvider       | NYC, NY, US (10G)         | 418 Mbits/sec   | 1.39 Gbits/sec  | 114 ms
    Clouvider       | Dallas, TX, US (10G)      | 1.04 Gbits/sec  | 1.20 Gbits/sec  | 149 ms
    Clouvider       | Los Angeles, CA, US (10G) | 600 Mbits/sec   | 824 Mbits/sec   | 169 ms
    
    iperf3 Network Speed Tests (IPv6):
    ---------------------------------
    Provider        | Location (Link)           | Send Speed      | Recv Speed      | Ping
    -----           | -----                     | ----            | ----            | ----
    Clouvider       | London, UK (10G)          | 3.72 Gbits/sec  | 28.8 Mbits/sec  | 44.4 ms
    Scaleway        | Paris, FR (10G)           | 5.95 Gbits/sec  | 4.03 Gbits/sec  | 34.9 ms
    NovoServe       | North Holland, NL (40G)   | busy            | 4.21 Gbits/sec  | 39.2 ms
    Uztelecom       | Tashkent, UZ (10G)        | busy            | busy            | 67.5 ms
    Clouvider       | NYC, NY, US (10G)         | 685 Mbits/sec   | busy            | 114 ms
    Clouvider       | Dallas, TX, US (10G)      | busy            | 1.20 Gbits/sec  | 149 ms
    Clouvider       | Los Angeles, CA, US (10G) | busy            | busy            | 169 ms
    
    Geekbench 5 Benchmark Test:
    ---------------------------------
    Test            | Value
                    |
    Single Core     | 1930
    Multi Core      | 1925
    
  • @Arkas said:
    It depends as what you define as "regular webapps" I guess. I do see a big difference on the apps I self host.

    Different types of apps. At the moment:

    • Plausible Analytics (Website analytics)
    • Wastebin (pastebin)
    • Mastodon (social)
    • Mastodon crossposter (to cross post between Mastodon and Twitter)
    • Actual Budget (budgeting)
    • DynaBlogger (my blogging platform, which I will open source soon)
    • Change Detection (to be notified about changes to websites)
    • Seafile (file syncing and sharing)
    • Commento (commenting app for my blog)
    • Gitea (source code hosting)
    • Kutt (URL shortner)
    • Collabora Online (to edit office documents in the browser via Seafile)
    • PostFactum (an app I am building for retros)
    • Wallabag (to save articles to read later)
    • PicoShare (simple file sharing)
    • OpenSpeedTest (speed test for Internet connection)
    • Docker registry + UI (container images hosting)
    • Planka (project management)
    • Roundcube (webmail)
    • YoPass (to securely share secrets)
    • RustDesk (Remote Desktop)
    • Bookstack (wiki)

    @AXYZE said:
    And how much traffic you get in all of these web apps to conclude that CPU benchmark doesn't matter?

    Good point. I was referring to self hosted apps for myself, so I haven't tried this kind of server with something that receives a lot of traffic. But comparing this server with more expensive ones with the same apps and usage I don't see any practical difference.

    @hyperblast said:

    @cybertech said:
    wait till you get one with 2,000.

    # ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## #
    #              Yet-Another-Bench-Script              #
    #                     v2022-12-29                    #
    # https://github.com/masonr/yet-another-bench-script #
    # ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## #
    
    Wed Jan 25 21:58:46 EET 2023
    
    Basic System Information:
    ---------------------------------
    Uptime     : 0 days, 0 hours, 1 minutes
    Processor  : 12th Gen Intel(R) Core(TM) i9-12900K
    CPU cores  : 1 @ 3187.200 MHz
    AES-NI     : ✔ Enabled
    VM-x/AMD-V : ✔ Enabled
    RAM        : 1.9 GiB
    Swap       : 4.0 GiB
    Disk       : 29.5 GiB
    Distro     : Debian GNU/Linux 11 (bullseye)
    Kernel     : 5.10.0-21-amd64
    
    fio Disk Speed Tests (Mixed R/W 50/50):
    ---------------------------------
    Block Size | 4k            (IOPS) | 64k           (IOPS)
      ------   | ---            ----  | ----           ----
    Read       | 631.98 MB/s (157.9k) | 3.03 GB/s    (47.3k)
    Write      | 633.64 MB/s (158.4k) | 3.04 GB/s    (47.6k)
    Total      | 1.26 GB/s   (316.4k) | 6.07 GB/s    (94.9k)
               |                      |
    Block Size | 512k          (IOPS) | 1m            (IOPS)
      ------   | ---            ----  | ----           ----
    Read       | 3.43 GB/s     (6.7k) | 3.38 GB/s     (3.3k)
    Write      | 3.61 GB/s     (7.0k) | 3.60 GB/s     (3.5k)
    Total      | 7.04 GB/s    (13.7k) | 6.99 GB/s     (6.8k)
    
    iperf3 Network Speed Tests (IPv4):
    ---------------------------------
    Provider        | Location (Link)           | Send Speed      | Recv Speed      | Ping
    -----           | -----                     | ----            | ----            | ----
    Clouvider       | London, UK (10G)          | 4.39 Gbits/sec  | 4.22 Gbits/sec  | 44.4 ms
    Scaleway        | Paris, FR (10G)           | 4.77 Gbits/sec  | 4.81 Gbits/sec  | 39.6 ms
    NovoServe       | North Holland, NL (40G)   | 5.26 Gbits/sec  | 5.27 Gbits/sec  | 39.1 ms
    Uztelecom       | Tashkent, UZ (10G)        | 630 Mbits/sec   | 743 Mbits/sec   | 67.4 ms
    Clouvider       | NYC, NY, US (10G)         | 418 Mbits/sec   | 1.39 Gbits/sec  | 114 ms
    Clouvider       | Dallas, TX, US (10G)      | 1.04 Gbits/sec  | 1.20 Gbits/sec  | 149 ms
    Clouvider       | Los Angeles, CA, US (10G) | 600 Mbits/sec   | 824 Mbits/sec   | 169 ms
    
    iperf3 Network Speed Tests (IPv6):
    ---------------------------------
    Provider        | Location (Link)           | Send Speed      | Recv Speed      | Ping
    -----           | -----                     | ----            | ----            | ----
    Clouvider       | London, UK (10G)          | 3.72 Gbits/sec  | 28.8 Mbits/sec  | 44.4 ms
    Scaleway        | Paris, FR (10G)           | 5.95 Gbits/sec  | 4.03 Gbits/sec  | 34.9 ms
    NovoServe       | North Holland, NL (40G)   | busy            | 4.21 Gbits/sec  | 39.2 ms
    Uztelecom       | Tashkent, UZ (10G)        | busy            | busy            | 67.5 ms
    Clouvider       | NYC, NY, US (10G)         | 685 Mbits/sec   | busy            | 114 ms
    Clouvider       | Dallas, TX, US (10G)      | busy            | 1.20 Gbits/sec  | 149 ms
    Clouvider       | Los Angeles, CA, US (10G) | busy            | busy            | 169 ms
    
    Geekbench 5 Benchmark Test:
    ---------------------------------
    Test            | Value
                    |
    Single Core     | 1930
    Multi Core      | 1925
    

    Wow. Which provider?

  • I always look at GBL when I'm trying to "score".

  • @vitobotta said:
    Good point. I was referring to self hosted apps for myself, so I haven't tried this kind of server with something that receives a lot of traffic. But comparing this server with more expensive ones with the same apps and usage I don't see any practical difference.

    Why do you expect any difference between CPUs if it needs to generate one page per second maximum then?

    If there would be any difference (maxing out single core per page generation) your server would be completly overloaded with like 10 visits per second.

    Good shared hosting can push 200 visitors per second easily and youre wondering why you dont see difference on beefy VPSes for load that is 200x smaller.

    You would be fine even on 10 year old 1vCPU with that kind of usage.

    GB5 score is meaningful, its just that you need couple% of these CPUs, so even if CPU is 4x worse it wont matter, as resources are available.

    Just for context: People are hosting 100 Wordpress sites on 2GB of ram & 1vCPU. And it works fine if there is not much visitors. You generate pages when visitors come, not generate just because it runs.

  • I think one place where GB5 single core performance is noticed, is on heavy WordPress/WooCommerce backoffice navigation.

    There i noticed some diferentes in speed when using a server with high GB5.

  • Most web apps are IO limited. If you're developing on something lightweight like Node, you can handle thousands of concurrent connections on a single core without issue so you'll pretty much never need to worry about CPU. By the time CPU speeds actually matter, you'll probably be rich enough to afford good servers anyway.

  • @vitobotta said: I haven't tried this kind of server with something that receives a lot of traffic. But comparing this server with more expensive ones with the same apps and usage I don't see any practical difference.

    There's the issue - no or little traffic. Start testing with traffic - in particular concurrent user traffic loads and see. Also, additionally start testing backend stuff in background or foreground tasks i.e. multi-threaded backup/compression and encryption/cryptographic tasks, including HTTP/2 HTTPS on the server combined with traffic usage, and you'll see a difference.

    But yes Geekbench score isn't indicative for all usage test cases.

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