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Block outgoing SPAM on network layer
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Block outgoing SPAM on network layer

jmginerjmginer Member, Patron Provider

Hello,

we are looking for a solution to block outgoing SPAM from our network.

The idea we have thought of is to create a port-mirror of the traffic whose destination is port 25 to a Fortimail or similar equipment (any recommendation?).

This device should only analyze the SPAM and send all the traffic to blackhole, since the original traffic (not port-mirror) is the one that is routed to the Internet.

Initially we want to have data analytics, i.e. to know from which of our IPs SPAM is being sent in order to cut the service to our customer.

Thank you.

Comments

  • If they use STARTTLS then your solution will stop working, and if you MITM the transaction to prevent that, you'll probably piss off a lot of legitimate customers.

  • Do the port-mirror and look at the traffic with WireShark. The spammers will immediately become "visible". Easy and totally free solution.

    Thanked by 1yoursunny
  • I’m pretty sure you shouldn‘t intercept traffic of customers. And im pretty sure you aren‘t allowed to scan mails under GDPR (which you have to follow) without the consent of customers. Block port 25 and tell customers to use mailgrid, AWS or similar.

  • Intercepting outgoing port 25 shouldn't cause too many issues on default configuration mail server e.g Exim/Postfix don't care if the recipient server got SSL/tls or non (plain text) or if the cert is self-signed or even invalid wrong domain on default configuration it doesn't validated it.

    The issue you will run into will be a privacy issue as some users won't like the idea of the provider sniffing/scanning all they're outgoing mail the easy option is just block 25 and possibly whitelist on request for trusted users.

  • jarjar Patron Provider, Top Host, Veteran

    @ralf said:
    If they use STARTTLS then your solution will stop working, and if you MITM the transaction to prevent that, you'll probably piss off a lot of legitimate customers.

    Yeah but it's nothing OVH hasn't done network wide in the past to surprisingly little pushback. Heficed either does or did it for a while too.

    Thanked by 2ralf wdmg
  • wdmgwdmg Member, LIR

    You could simply just block mailing entirely, and offer a “free SMTP relay” with some basic spamassasian filtering outgoing messages? @jar has always open sourced his awesome rules for it.

    Thanked by 1jar
  • jmginerjmginer Member, Patron Provider

    The objective is to identify a SPAMMER before the IP is blacklisted.

    I refuse to think that with the advances in IA, it is not possible to identify patterns that spammers produce by simply analyzing network flows.

  • hostikohostiko Member, Host Rep

    @jmginer said: I refuse to think that with the advances in IA, it is not possible to identify patterns that spammers produce by simply analyzing network flows

    If someone does thousands of DNS MX resolutions and sends thousands of TCP SYN packets to the 25/tcp it is pretty obvious something very suspicious is going on ;)

  • jmginerjmginer Member, Patron Provider

    @hostiko said:

    @jmginer said: I refuse to think that with the advances in IA, it is not possible to identify patterns that spammers produce by simply analyzing network flows

    If someone does thousands of DNS MX resolutions and sends thousands of TCP SYN packets to the 25/tcp it is pretty obvious something very suspicious is going on ;)

    That's a good starting point :)

    Although I'm looking for something a bit more advanced and professional, I'd like to avoid having to program my own crappy script.

  • jarjar Patron Provider, Top Host, Veteran
    edited October 2022

    If you want professional talk to MailChannels and Vade Secure about network appliances. They both do this stuff. No one is doing anything in this space that would be considered affordable so hopefully the budget isn't small for it.

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