A recap of charging to post for hosts (msg to providers)

jbiloh

@stevewatson301 said:

@jbiloh said:
When a bulk of the cost model is sunk the final 25 percent of capacity is where you get nearly 1:1 translation to the bottom line. Keeping servers full equals the best profitability. Used properly LowEndTalk is an amazing tool towards achieving that goal and thus enabling long term, reliable and sustainable profitability.

Providers choosing this exact strategy to maximise their $200 is what would lead to a lot of crap, oversold offers and lead to this place becoming WHT.

It’s almost as if you’re begging people to become the next Alpharacks. Their VPSes were oversold to the point where simply SSHing in would cause 100% CPU usage.

Servers full does not equal overloaded.

Lee

@Nekki said: Have about you use a different word to keep it fresh and keep us interested.

Any suggestions you can come up with to replace Bilohs Administrator title? I am struggling with one. Something that says "I get on everyone's tits every time I post".

Nekki

@Lee said: Any suggestions you can come up with to replace Bilohs Administrator title? I am struggling with one. Something that says "I get on everyone's tits every time I post".

• 'The Cheeze'
• 'LowEnd Millionaire'
• 'The Buffalo Beef-steak'
• 'RackNerd Shareholder'
• 'Chief Daycare Co-ordinator'
• 'Only 1,500 Days Until I Sell This Shithole'

If any of these are used, JB must make a $50 donation to a charity of my choosing.

TimboJones

@Nekki said:
I've been wondering....what happens if a provider who's a bit wonky has paid for a tag, and we turn up and shit all over the thread, call out the provider etc, then the provider complains to management - where does it end up?

Isn't that all offer threads on LET?

TimboJones

1. OP isn't a tutorial. Wrong category.
2. Surely, you can't be so daft as to treat a 100% profit software/digital product with no ongoing cost and support as the same as selling a low end vps.

Surely, or that would be extremely dumb and pointless other than to show how inexperienced you are.

Comparing acquisition costs between the two makes no sense except to show how they're different.

Do you get paid to create these threads of yours? That's the only way I can see.

MannDude

@Nekki said:

@jbiloh said:

@zed said:

@jbiloh said:
When a bulk of the cost model is sunk the final 25 percent of capacity is where you get nearly 1:1 translation to the bottom line. Keeping servers full equals the best profitability. Used properly LowEndTalk is an amazing tool towards achieving that goal and thus enabling long term, reliable and sustainable profitability.

i think you might be wearing out the word amazing, sir.

Insert a synonym that better suits your preference. The point is the same. .

Have about you use a different word to keep it fresh and keep us interested. Here are some suggestions for you:

• Amaz-oing
• shit-hot
• noice
• goosey
• fan-taby-dozy

I'm going to update my marketing approach to always include at least, "shit-hot" and "goosey". I may sprinkle in a, "totes not sus" and "fuckably fire" in there as well.

Nekki

@MannDude said: I'm going to update my marketing approach to always include at least, "shit-hot" and "goosey". I may sprinkle in a, "totes not sus" and "fuckable deals".

I don't think I could resist a 'shit-hot, fuckable deal'.

MannDude

@Nekki said:

@MannDude said: I'm going to update my marketing approach to always include at least, "shit-hot" and "goosey". I may sprinkle in a, "totes not sus" and "fuckable deals".

I don't think I could resist a 'shit-hot, fuckable deal'.

Beat me to the quote before I updated "fuckable deal" with "fuckably fire".

I may need to get a fiverr rapper to work some magic for me.

zed

@stevewatson301 said:

It’s almost as if you’re begging people to become the next Alpharacks. Their VPSes were oversold to the point where simply SSHing in would cause 100% CPU usage.

not to pick on ser biloh, but "almost"? wouldn't he absolutely want many more alphracks?

Nekki

@jbiloh said:

@stevewatson301 said:

@jbiloh said:
When a bulk of the cost model is sunk the final 25 percent of capacity is where you get nearly 1:1 translation to the bottom line. Keeping servers full equals the best profitability. Used properly LowEndTalk is an amazing tool towards achieving that goal and thus enabling long term, reliable and sustainable profitability.

Providers choosing this exact strategy to maximise their $200 is what would lead to a lot of crap, oversold offers and lead to this place becoming WHT.

It’s almost as if you’re begging people to become the next Alpharacks. Their VPSes were oversold to the point where simply SSHing in would cause 100% CPU usage.

Servers full does not equal overloaded.

JB has a strong point here.

I once paid an escort to open her mouth and let me fill it with M&Ms -we made a deal, I would pay her double if no M&Ms hit the floor, but I would pay her nothing if even a single one did.

I filled her mouth with M&Ms, and she did not let a single one drop. Therefore her mouth was full, but not overloaded.

She was a fucking trooper too, because I did all sorts of weird shit to her whilst the M&Ms were in her mouth, she really earned that £60.

SirFoxy

@Lee said:

@SirFoxy said: Business comes down to 3 things:

1) A good offer.
2) Getting eyeballs on your offer.
3) Converting more of those eyeballs.

Not sure if it is just naivety or you still don't really understand the lowend mentality where good business acumen does not apply to most hosts.

Sure, there are some providers that can command sales at a profitable level, not for most, they are competing at the bottom end of both market and pricing here.

Loss leaders with little opportunity to be developed and break-even deals are a necessity for hosts on here to get noticed or stand a chance of gaining customers.

Do a great BF deal at $10 and gain 100 customers at a loss or break even. But I can assure you that coming to this BF if someone else offers the same for $9 then 75%+ of those customers will bail. For those that stay, you will get nothing more from them unless it's cheaper again.

10 customers paying $10 will always be better than 100 customers paying $1. But the former is significantly harder to achieve than the latter in places like LET.

You have some claiming to do great at LET, turning over a million or whatever, but, it's akin to a Ponzi scheme. You do cheap, recurring deals and that means you need more and more customers. Try and change the pricing down the line and they will leave. So your costs go up and you can't increase pricing except on new deals. It will either fail at some point or you jump before it does either by selling or running.

Once you have made a few of those loss-leader or break-even deals, nobody, will take you seriously at a 'normal, profitable' level of doing business and therefore, won't buy at $10 because you have a history of doing lots of deals at $5. So the chance of converting is next to zero.

A good business approach is to use LET sparingly, not rely on it. Far too many come to be entirely dependent on LET and can't get away from unprofitable, shitty clients.

What does success look like? Even if you said it was being able to make a 40-hour minimum wage (country dependent) each week. I can pretty much guarantee, that less than 10% of providers here can even achieve that.

Get off LET, find your market/niche/USP and develop that in the right places. It's hard, but that is why LET is so appealing to many, it's easier and removes the need to work hard to build an audience.

Who would have thought offering something cheaper than it really costs to run would be easier than charging enough to make a living!

Yeah everyone here is selling a commodity, you can't really differentiate selling digital real estate. I would never enter this market personally.

That's the first fundamental issue.