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Best deal on Free Speech Server/VPS, Netherlands?
Offshore_Solutions
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Can anyone please recommend the best deal you're aware of on a free Speech Server/VPS in the Netherlands?
Doesn't need to be ignore DMCA, it's controversial political speech.
Thanks
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@spectraip @skbenterprise
...but, your name is Offshore Solutions.
@MannDude is your man and your dude.
Apr 05 17:34:03 box9 Tor[412]: Heartbeat: Tor's uptime is 22 days 12:00 hours, with 1433 circuits open. I've sent 863.61 GB and received 866.82 GB. I've received 434448 connections on IPv4 and 127943 on IPv6. I've made 7468013 connections with IPv4 and 370006 with IPv6.
Exactly right! From my perspective in the USA, the Netherlands is "Offshore."
I assume you're in Europe?
This should have been in Requests.
Those allow controversial websites. Except flokinet who refuses any "disinformation" of vaxx..
https://Incognet.io
https://Flokinet.io
https://alexhost.com
https://buyvm.net
also want to know
But have you listed any above in the Netherlands? š³š±
1) https://Incognet.io - Wyoming (I use & love their VPN, but need Netherlands.
2) https://Flokinet.io - Iceland & address is
https://Flokinet.is
3) https://alexhost.com - I think Romania?
4) https://buyvm.net - Luxembourg is free Speech but I specifically need Netherlands.
Do you have one you recommend from the Netherlands?
@MannDude
What? Do you mean registered in the Netherlands? Incognet has NL as one of its locations. Iām not sure why the location of registration matters
Should mention that we have plans to launch in Zurich, Switzerland and migrate our existing NL offerings to Amsterdam. We'll also be offering these plans with 2Gbps unmetered BW with Path's 10Tbit DDoS filtering. The same can be said for Dallas, TX as well.
Still working out the details but free speech requires privacy and strong DDoS protection from those who wish to silence it.
NL to Amsterdam? š
Current NL stuff is in Naaldwijk.
Why it matters?
I think that's his concern:
You, as the host, have to follow law and therefore requests/court orders of both countries.
Happens all the time here.
Recently had a court order from country we are registered at to hand over/seize SSDs of a dedicated server. Was regarding some malware/botnet/RAT seller though which did call-spoofing/scam also. From the information they (authorities) gave me. Not free speech.
One other time there was a Ransomware Attack against other EU member. They Made request to our government. We got court order. But servers arent here, so our government made request to the Dutch who issued NL court order and picked up the server 2 weeks later
Otherwise I can't imagine either why it would matter other then the hosting company need to follow both countries laws.
However those are some of the extreme examples. Never happened regarding Free speech.
Yes, looking for a host that is 100% in the Netherlands so I reduce risk for clients by telling them to host where they are subject to the laws of only ONE country.
1) Registered in the Netherlands
2) Servers in the Netherlands
3) Owner lives in the Netherlands
5) They don't own a datacenter/office in the United States which would subject them to United States law.
The client themselves can take several steps to obscure their own location by paying with crypto & not providing their address if the Netherland host doesn't require address location just as @MannDude doesn't require it. This isn't a perfect solution, but no solution is perfect so the point is to reduce risk to the greatest degree possible.
I love @MannDude, use & love his VPN. But the entire point of my services is to find clients services that are 100% outside of United States authority. Thus if I tell clients to buy service from @MannDude (who is registered in the United States), I've accomplished nothing and the United States has full jurisdiction to seize their servers.
No country is perfect, but you reduce risk by being under only ONE nation's laws. Otherwise you could inadvertently end up under the laws of 3 or more nations, only needing to raise the suspicion of one of the three to face scrutiny.
And it's not only to reduce the risk from extra governments but also to reduce risk from lawsuits brought by organizations or citizens of the United States. Forcing them to sue a Netherlands company to aquire your information makes it exponentially more expensive and time consuming for your adversary in a legal system they don't understand.
For example, if you desire to only be under German law, Contabo, would have been a great choice 3 years ago. But now they have purchased a datacenter in the United States putting them under the authority of the courts in both countries and therefore less attractive to a client that feels even the authority of one nation is burdensome.
@HostSlick understands exactly what I'm saying:
Hi @Offshore_Solutions, we match all your 5 points. Could you tell me more about the free speech content you host in a DM or Discord? Maybe we can work together.
Thank you @Hybula, sending you a private message.
I appreciate the kind words about our service.
The thing is, the USA has literally the best free speech laws in the world. You can say things in the USA and make websites about things that you simply can not in the EU. For example, a site with memes that poke fun of certain topics could be deemed 'hateful' and be illegal in the EU. A provider in the US may subscribe for the laughs, as there really isn't hate speech laws in the USA.
If it's illegal, doesn't really matter where it is. Feds, whether they're in the US or EU will come yank stuff. Most countries with an infrastructure worth hosting on is going to have it's packets pass through somewhere the 5/9/14 eyes of law enforcement intelligence can do the things that they do...
EDIT: Sorry, kind of got off topic. The discussion was never about hosting inside the US, so I sort of went off topic.
Don't know why you were banned, but thank you for leads on the 3 best priced Netherland Hosts.
Thank you for everyone's advice, especially @Manndude who's services I highly recommend.
My decision came down to these 3 & 1 from Iceland:
1) SKB Enterprise B.V.
https://skb-enterprise.com/
No DDOS protection that I could find.
@skbenterprise
2) Spectra IP - https://my.spectraip.net/ Equally good prices to SKB Enterprise. No DDOS protection that I could find.
@spectraip
3) HostSlim @VPSSLIM -
https://www.vpsslim.com/
Slightly more expensive but the only one of the 3 above that offers DDOS protection (Flokinet in Iceland does too). There are many negative Google Reviews for HostSlim, but the 2 other Netherland Hosts also had their fair share of negative reviews.
4) Flokinet.is - From Iceland has DDOS and is slightly more expensive than the 3 from the Netherlands but not by a lot. If there is a lower priced alternative to Flokinet in Iceland, I'd be interested in the future as Icelandic law is friendly to political free Speech. @FlokiNET @FlokiNETis
In the end I made an emotional decision & chose one because he was being hounded by cancel culture liberals in another thread & he stood up for free Speech. I need a host with a backbone & this one has it. I'll put up a review thread of this host in 3 months.
From my research, I think Iceland may be the future for political free Speech because of friendly laws & because they're not restricted by EU law. I'd be curious if anyone has leads on a slightly cheaper alternative to Flokinet.is that's also located in Iceland š®šø
I moved this thread to requests.
Alexhost is in Moldova and registrated there. Flokinet is registrated in Seychelles, but with servers in Romania, Finland and Iceland.
Like @HostSlick said is correct.