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hosthatch's NVME VPS has very low IO speed

skywingskywing Member
edited April 2022 in Help

The VPS of HOSTHATCH I bought is a promotion package for Black Friday 2020, with an annual payment of $60, with the following configuration

I bought this server only as a backup server, so although I found it to have very low IO speed in my routine testing after the server was up (this is more like the IO speed of a mechanical hard drive rather than an NVME hard drive) and no feedback to hosthatch . And this problem may also be caused by the sale of too many VPS in a short period of time during the big promotion.

More than a year later, I need to transfer some services to this VPS, test again, and find that its IO speed is still the same, which is unacceptable for the service I run, so I give feedback to hosthatch, however A month has passed and hosthatch still hasn't solved my problem.

Should I give up the idea of moving services to HOSTHATCH and drop this server?

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  • LisoLiso Member
    edited April 2022

    Weird, can you post yabs result here? And you may be spot on, I think hosthatch is overselling its node and going contabo path

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  • umzakumzak Member

    i believe, this thread will be closed soon

  • @Liso said:
    Weird, can you post yabs result here? And you may be spot on, I think hosthatch is overselling its node and going contabo path

    i dont think HH oversold their node but rather their disk config isn't optimum. or having NVMe issues.

    Thanked by 1bulbasaur
  • why so many hosthatch negative threads popping up on LET in last few weeks/months?
    are they going on the hostsolutions way??

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  • skywingskywing Member
    edited April 2022

    @Liso said:
    Weird, can you post yabs result here? And you may be spot on, I think hosthatch is overselling its node and going contabo path

    Here is the yabs result

    curl -sL yabs.sh | bash
    # ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## #
    #              Yet-Another-Bench-Script              #
    #                     v2022-02-18                    #
    # https://github.com/masonr/yet-another-bench-script #
    # ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## #
    
    Sun Apr  3 02:53:37 BST 2022
    
    Basic System Information:
    ---------------------------------
    Processor  : Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5-2680 v2 @ 2.80GHz
    CPU cores  : 3 @ 2800.000 MHz
    AES-NI     : ✔ Enabled
    VM-x/AMD-V : ❌ Disabled
    RAM        : 15.7 GiB
    Swap       : 1024.0 MiB
    Disk       : 77.8 GiB
    
    fio Disk Speed Tests (Mixed R/W 50/50):
    ---------------------------------
    Block Size | 4k            (IOPS) | 64k           (IOPS)
      ------   | ---            ----  | ----           ----
    Read       | 6.71 MB/s     (1.6k) | 25.47 MB/s     (398)
    Write      | 6.72 MB/s     (1.6k) | 25.99 MB/s     (406)
    Total      | 13.43 MB/s    (3.3k) | 51.47 MB/s     (804)
               |                      |
    Block Size | 512k          (IOPS) | 1m            (IOPS)
      ------   | ---            ----  | ----           ----
    Read       | 41.15 MB/s      (80) | 31.00 MB/s      (30)
    Write      | 43.02 MB/s      (84) | 33.65 MB/s      (32)
    Total      | 84.17 MB/s     (164) | 64.66 MB/s      (62)
    
  • PieHasBeenEatenPieHasBeenEaten Member, Host Rep

    Virtio enabled?

  • @JasonM said:
    why so many hosthatch negative threads popping up on LET in last few weeks/months?
    are they going on the hostsolutions way??

    I think because of their slow customer service :s you file a ticket normally and you have to wait a month, two months or even forever :'(

  • @PieHasBeenEaten said: Virtio enabled?

    ubuntu20.04 Virtio enabled default

  • @JasonM said:
    why so many hosthatch negative threads popping up on LET in last few weeks/months?
    are they going on the hostsolutions way??

    I don't want to take up public channels to talk about this kind of issue. Unfortunately, HH officials don't reply, and I don't know that such topics are discussed elsewhere.

  • Which location

  • Same in Chicago

    fio Disk Speed Tests (Mixed R/W 50/50):
    ---------------------------------
    Block Size | 4k            (IOPS) | 64k           (IOPS)
      ------   | ---            ----  | ----           ----
    Read       | 16.16 MB/s    (4.0k) | 130.08 MB/s   (2.0k)
    Write      | 16.18 MB/s    (4.0k) | 130.77 MB/s   (2.0k)
    Total      | 32.34 MB/s    (8.0k) | 260.85 MB/s   (4.0k)
               |                      |
    Block Size | 512k          (IOPS) | 1m            (IOPS)
      ------   | ---            ----  | ----           ----
    Read       | 24.20 MB/s      (47) | 29.07 MB/s      (28)
    Write      | 25.39 MB/s      (49) | 31.65 MB/s      (30)
    Total      | 49.60 MB/s      (96) | 60.73 MB/s      (58)
    
    
  • MannDudeMannDude Host Rep, Veteran

    While I agree that NVMe drives should benchmark faster, have you considered if your use actually needs super fast io?

    A ton of people stress over benchmarks then turn around and run static, low traffic sites that wouldn't even utilize the majority of the resources available to them.

    If it's benchmark porn you're looking for, pretty sure NexusBytes and TerraHost will have most providers beat.

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  • jsgjsg Member, Resident Benchmarker
    edited April 2022

    Just looked at my HH VPS. According to my benchmark 1 MB (buffered) read is about 1.5 GB/s and 4k/4T speed is ca. 15 MB/s and ca. 4000 IOPS.

    That's not great for an NVMe but neither is it particularly measly; I've seen much worse. And that's a VPS from their promo that is, a 26xx v2 based box (translation: low end). That said, that VPS actually is among the better ones in that (rather typical for LET) class and the price is very low too. Accordingly one should not expect to find the fastest Samsung pro NVMes in such a box. I agree with @MannDude; if you want more, pay more.

    TL;DR absolutely nothing to complain about. Excellent uptime and really nice performance for the money.

  • Daniel15Daniel15 Veteran
    edited April 2022

    @jsg said: one should not expect to find the fastest Samsung pro NVMes in such a box

    They do actually have these (enterprise Samsung Gen4 NVMes) in their newer AMD EPYC servers. Have you benchmarked those? The prices for the new servers during Black Friday 2021 were around double the price of the old servers during Black Friday 2020 (for example $70/year for 8GB RAM + "60GB" disk instead of $60/year for 16GB RAM + 80GB disk), but after using both I think it's 100% worth it. They feel far faster for regular day-to-day usage.

  • @skywing said:

    @Liso said:
    Weird, can you post yabs result here? And you may be spot on, I think hosthatch is overselling its node and going contabo path

    Here is the yabs result

    curl -sL yabs.sh | bash
    # ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## #
    #              Yet-Another-Bench-Script              #
    #                     v2022-02-18                    #
    # https://github.com/masonr/yet-another-bench-script #
    # ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## #
    
    Sun Apr  3 02:53:37 BST 2022
    
    Basic System Information:
    ---------------------------------
    Processor  : Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5-2680 v2 @ 2.80GHz
    CPU cores  : 3 @ 2800.000 MHz
    AES-NI     : ✔ Enabled
    VM-x/AMD-V : ❌ Disabled
    RAM        : 15.7 GiB
    Swap       : 1024.0 MiB
    Disk       : 77.8 GiB
    
    fio Disk Speed Tests (Mixed R/W 50/50):
    ---------------------------------
    Block Size | 4k            (IOPS) | 64k           (IOPS)
      ------   | ---            ----  | ----           ----
    Read       | 6.71 MB/s     (1.6k) | 25.47 MB/s     (398)
    Write      | 6.72 MB/s     (1.6k) | 25.99 MB/s     (406)
    Total      | 13.43 MB/s    (3.3k) | 51.47 MB/s     (804)
               |                      |
    Block Size | 512k          (IOPS) | 1m            (IOPS)
      ------   | ---            ----  | ----           ----
    Read       | 41.15 MB/s      (80) | 31.00 MB/s      (30)
    Write      | 43.02 MB/s      (84) | 33.65 MB/s      (32)
    Total      | 84.17 MB/s     (164) | 64.66 MB/s      (62)
    

    In fact, your data is much better than mine

  • skywingskywing Member
    edited April 2022

    @jsg said:
    Just looked at my HH VPS. According to my benchmark 1 MB (buffered) read is about 1.5 GB/s and 4k/4T speed is ca. 15 MB/s and ca. 4000 IOPS.

    That's not great for an NVMe but neither is it particularly measly; I've seen much worse. And that's a VPS from their promo that is, a 26xx v2 based box (translation: low end). That said, that VPS actually is among the better ones in that (rather typical for LET) class and the price is very low too. Accordingly one should not expect to find the fastest Samsung pro NVMes in such a box. I agree with @MannDude; if you want more, pay more.

    TL;DR absolutely nothing to complain about. Excellent uptime and really nice performance for the money.

    @jsg said: benchmark 1 MB (buffered) read is about 1.5 GB/s and 4k/4T speed is ca. 15 MB/s and ca. 4000 IOP

    my benchmark 1MB read is 0.1GB/s and 4k/4T speed is 6MB/s and ca. 1500 IOPS [cry],I wouldn't have any complaints if my VPS performed as well as yours

  • kendkend Member

    This is from mine in the NY. Same plan.

    `Sun Apr 3 10:47:35 CEST 2022

    Basic System Information:

    Processor : Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5-2690 v2 @ 3.00GHz
    CPU cores : 3 @ 2999.836 MHz
    AES-NI : ✔ Enabled
    VM-x/AMD-V : ❌ Disabled
    RAM : 15.6 GiB
    Swap : 1024.0 MiB
    Disk : 77.7 GiB

    fio Disk Speed Tests (Mixed R/W 50/50):

    Block Size 4k (IOPS) 64k (IOPS)
    Read 196.14 MB/s (49.0k) 1.35 GB/s (21.1k)
    Write 196.65 MB/s (49.1k) 1.35 GB/s (21.2k)
    Total 392.79 MB/s (98.1k) 2.70 GB/s (42.3k)
    Block Size 512k (IOPS) 1m (IOPS)
    ------ --- ---- ---- ----
    Read 2.30 GB/s (4.5k) 407.21 MB/s (397)
    Write 2.42 GB/s (4.7k) 434.33 MB/s (424)
    Total 4.73 GB/s (9.2k) 841.55 MB/s (821)`

    It still looks good. So I guess maybe it's the node's problem.

  • @skywing said:

    @JasonM said:
    why so many hosthatch negative threads popping up on LET in last few weeks/months?
    are they going on the hostsolutions way??

    I don't want to take up public channels to talk about this kind of issue. Unfortunately, HH officials don't reply, and I don't know that such topics are discussed elsewhere.

    Hosthatch is known to have slow support for promo packages and they resolve tickets starting from the oldest tickets. You bring yourself to the back of the queue every time you make a new reply.

    Drop the server if you can't wait for their slow support.

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  • RocksterRockster Member
    edited April 2022

    Your VPS is at least UP.

    My netherland box is down for some time and no one to respond to ticket.
    I noticed there's like 5 recent threads closed about downtimes and various issues at several hosthatch locations. That's far beyond their "slow response time" issue.

  • nfnnfn Veteran
    edited April 2022

    @NoComment said:
    Hosthatch is known to have slow support for promo packages and they resolve tickets starting from the oldest tickets. You bring yourself to the back of the queue every time you make a new reply.

    if this is true, @hosthatch should write it in the TOS so people stop criticizing.

    For the price we pay, I accept and understand the priorities of the business, but that should be clear and in writing.

    Thanked by 1bulbasaur
  • I've indeed seen much low IO speed.

  • RocksterRockster Member
    edited April 2022

    @nfn said: For the price we pay, I accept and understand the priorities of the business, but that should be clear and in writing.

    But there's no excuse to not respond for days when server is down.

    I understand slow response regarding various support requests like rDNS (they have this in control panel tho) or some non working template and similar, but there's absolutely no excuse to keep people in the dark for days or weeks without one single response when there's downtime issue at host own side.

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  • nfnnfn Veteran
    edited April 2022

    @Rockster said: But there's no excuse to not respond for days when server is down.

    Of course not, the acceptable statement would be a written paragraph saying that promotional servers support time is N days, everything before that would be a bonus.

    I understand and respect the provider's decision if this was the case, but the provider prefers to ignore the tickets which leads people to open threads here and in other forums, which only creates an unprofessional image and promotes brand erosion

    @Rockster said: I understand slow response regarding various support requests like rDNS

    Not i the new panel. I have one ticket opened for almost one month asking to remove the reverse dns .. this takes them 5 minutes to solve, but here we are ¯_ツ_/¯

    Sorry for the Off Topic, this takes us to another thread!

  • VoidVoid Member

    Thanks for your complaint. Unfortunately we don’t care and your thread will be closed because how dare you complain about a top provider ?

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  • @jmaxwell said:
    Thanks for your complaint. Unfortunately we don’t care and your thread will be closed because how dare you complain about a top provider ?

    To be fair - the previous threads were closed because they were created by (seemingly) the same person, so it was spam.

    Thanked by 1webcraft
  • jsgjsg Member, Resident Benchmarker

    @Daniel15 said:

    @jsg said: one should not expect to find the fastest Samsung pro NVMes in such a box

    They do actually have these (enterprise Samsung Gen4 NVMes) in their newer AMD EPYC servers. Have you benchmarked those?

    Nope. I only have 1 HH VPS and that's a cheap 26xxv2 one. Compared to quite a few other VPS with that processor generation my @hosthatch VPS is actually a pleasure to use and among the fastest.

    my benchmark 1MB read is 0.1GB/s and 4k/4T speed is 6MB/s and ca. 1500 IOPS [cry],I wouldn't have any complaints if my VPS performed as well as yours

    Sorry for you, I guess you are on a bad (too many abusers?) node. That said, sorry, but your benchmark data don't make sense. Assuming that your 1 MB speed is read speed while 4k/4T is write speed (i.e. analog to the results I provided). But even otherwise something is definitely wrong with your results or benchmarking because 4k (multi threaded or not) is THE "killer", the slowest mode (actually block size) while 1 MB is the fastest. So I suggest you benchmark again and make sure to use the right parameters.

  • yoursunnyyoursunny Member, IPv6 Advocate

    @Rockster said:
    I noticed there's like 5 recent threads closed about downtimes and various issues at several hosthatch locations. That's far beyond their "slow response time" issue.

    If you see complaint threads closed, it means that the provider has paid for:

    LET Provider Tag gold $800/year

    • everything in silver, plus
    • automated thread bumps by AI users asking for double bandwidth
    • negative reviews moved to Offtopic category: 3 included per month, $25/each afterwards
    • bypass provider vetting process for $200 one-time fee

    https://lowendtalk.com/discussion/comment/3389892/#Comment_3389892


    My HostHatch Chicago 250GB HDD server is still working fine.
    I don't measure I/O performance whatsoever since it's only for automated backups.

  • skywingskywing Member
    edited April 2022

    @jsg said:

    @Daniel15 said:

    @jsg said: one should not expect to find the fastest Samsung pro NVMes in such a box

    They do actually have these (enterprise Samsung Gen4 NVMes) in their newer AMD EPYC servers. Have you benchmarked those?

    Nope. I only have 1 HH VPS and that's a cheap 26xxv2 one. Compared to quite a few other VPS with that processor generation my @hosthatch VPS is actually a pleasure to use and among the fastest.

    my benchmark 1MB read is 0.1GB/s and 4k/4T speed is 6MB/s and ca. 1500 IOPS [cry],I wouldn't have any complaints if my VPS performed as well as yours

    Sorry for you, I guess you are on a bad (too many abusers?) node. That said, sorry, but your benchmark data don't make sense. Assuming that your 1 MB speed is read speed while 4k/4T is write speed (i.e. analog to the results I provided). But even otherwise something is definitely wrong with your results or benchmarking because 4k (multi threaded or not) is THE "killer", the slowest mode (actually block size) while 1 MB is the fastest. So I suggest you benchmark again and make sure to use the right parameters.

    here is the test result

    hosthatch

    root@bf2020:~# dd if=/dev/zero of=test.bin bs=4K count=20K oflag=dsync
    20480+0 records in
    20480+0 records out
    83886080 bytes (84 MB, 80 MiB) copied, 278.069 s, 302 kB/s
    root@bf2020:~# dd if=/dev/zero of=test.bin bs=1M count=100 oflag=dsync
    100+0 records in
    100+0 records out
    104857600 bytes (105 MB, 100 MiB) copied, 2.58846 s, 40.5 MB/s
    

    my other VPS (ultravps.eu normal SSD not NVME SSD, €8.4 per quarter)

    root@v-1:~# dd if=/dev/zero of=test.bin bs=4K count=20K oflag=dsync
    20480+0 records in
    20480+0 records out
    83886080 bytes (84 MB, 80 MiB) copied, 27.5754 s, 3.0 MB/s
    root@v-1:~# dd if=/dev/zero of=test.bin bs=1M count=100 oflag=dsync
    100+0 records in
    100+0 records out
    104857600 bytes (105 MB, 100 MiB) copied, 0.616486 s, 170 MB/s
    

    my other NVME VPS (greencloudvps $55 per Year)

    root@GreenCloud:~# dd if=/dev/zero of=test.bin bs=4K count=20K oflag=dsync
    20480+0 records in
    20480+0 records out
    83886080 bytes (84 MB, 80 MiB) copied, 13.3536 s, 6.3 MB/s
    root@GreenCloud:~# dd if=/dev/zero of=test.bin bs=1M count=100 oflag=dsync
    100+0 records in
    100+0 records out
    104857600 bytes (105 MB, 100 MiB) copied, 0.371353 s, 282 MB/s
    
  • MannDudeMannDude Host Rep, Veteran

    You never answered whether or not the disk io had any negative impact on your site or project that you use the VPS for.

    Too many people stress out over metrics that they can't even fully utilize with their projects.

  • @MannDude said:
    You never answered whether or not the disk io had any negative impact on your site or project that you use the VPS for.

    Too many people stress out over metrics that they can't even fully utilize with their projects.

    I need to run a database service, its capacity is about 50G, and it needs intensive read and write io, slow io speed will have a great impact on performance.

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