[Reseller] OVH/SoYouStart/Kimsufi

FlorinMarian

@marian said:

@FlorinMarian said: Many customers don't wanna share their real name/location and OVH requires it for ordering activation.

then you cannot be surprised about abuses on your servers, like you did some posts ago.

Yes, you're right but we simply suspend abuser's server without any kind of refund (as our T&C allows).
Regarding IPs, to get dedicated IPv4 at only 0.99/mo sure you're tempted to abuse.
When you pay over 50 eur/mo then you care more about your actions
Best regards, Florin.

FlorinMarian

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Boogeyman

This is our Florin. Be like Florin.

FlorinMarian

@Boogeyman said:
This is our Florin. Be like Florin.

Please confirm that I misunderstood your joke.
So, customer violates our T&C, we suspend his service and then we're evil sellers because we don't refund abuser?
If no, please shot me.

Boogeyman

@FlorinMarian said: Please confirm that I misunderstood your joke.
So, customer violates our T&C, we suspend his service and then we're evil sellers because we don't refund abuser?
If no, please shot me.

Nope. You're shooting on your leg. You will meet nice people over course of time. Knowing your customer is somewhat important.

FlorinMarian

@Boogeyman said:

@FlorinMarian said: Please confirm that I misunderstood your joke.
So, customer violates our T&C, we suspend his service and then we're evil sellers because we don't refund abuser?
If no, please shot me.

Nope. You're shooting on your leg. You will meet nice people over course of time. Knowing your customer is somewhat important.

In time, we'll proceed with this step if it will be required but I guess nobody is happy to share legal proofs of his identity & living place with a small business.
Thank you for feedback!

yokowasis

@FlorinMarian said:
Are you interested in such option?

I am yet to find someone who answer yes on this thread.

fredo1664

@yokowasis said:

@FlorinMarian said:
Are you interested in such option?

I am yet to find someone who answer yes on this thread.

I'm in Europe so I can order a server with SYS, test it and if I don't like it, I can cancel it and get a refund. So I don't see myself paying 20% more to get an upgrade like better bandwidth, because if I really want to win the lottery, I can just test servers until I find the one I like. Actually that's what I did this month lol. I guess I have time to do this though.
If I wasn't in Europe, I don't think I'd like to pay Romanian VAT.
So I won't be the one to answer yes!

fredo1664

Actually what I would maybe pay is a finder's fee. Say if you had an agreement with OVH that you can definitely transfer any server to another account, then I would have paid a few quids once for you to find an upgraded server for me.

yoursunny

@FlorinMarian said:
I guess nobody is happy to share legal proofs of his identity & living place with a small business.

My identity is push-up specialist.
The proof of my identity is https://pushups.ndn.today .
I have no problem sharing it with a small business.

caii

@FlorinMarian said:

@caii said:
You should get a VAT number so you can order the servers from OVH at the listed price without the 19% VAT.

If we do that, we forward VAT payment in Romania, not VAT removal.
Best regards, Florin.

Registered VAT companies from Romania won't own VAT for purchases from intracommunity space.
Your company buy from OVH - you pay the base price only and the purchase is 0% VAT you don't pay any VAT.
Your company buys from Romania - you pay base price + 19% VAT and you recover the
19% VAT from fiscal authority.
With VAT ID:
Your company sells to customers - you charge the customer the base price + 19% VAT and you own that 19% to the fiscal authority. If you sell to EU companies you charge 0% VAT.
Without VAT ID:
Your company sells to customers - you charge the customer the base price only. But you don't think big like this, you are limited to sell only 30k EUR per year.
Ask your accountant.

Wicked

@marian said:

@FlorinMarian said: Many customers don't wanna share their real name/location and OVH requires it for ordering activation.

then you cannot be surprised about abuses on your servers, like you did some posts ago.

FlorinMarian

@caii said:

@FlorinMarian said:

@caii said:
You should get a VAT number so you can order the servers from OVH at the listed price without the 19% VAT.

If we do that, we forward VAT payment in Romania, not VAT removal.
Best regards, Florin.

Registered VAT companies from Romania won't own VAT for purchases from intracommunity space.
Your company buy from OVH - you pay the base price only and the purchase is 0% VAT you don't pay any VAT.
Your company buys from Romania - you pay base price + 19% VAT and you recover the
19% VAT from fiscal authority.
With VAT ID:
Your company sells to customers - you charge the customer the base price + 19% VAT and you own that 19% to the fiscal authority. If you sell to EU companies you charge 0% VAT.
Without VAT ID:
Your company sells to customers - you charge the customer the base price only. But you don't think big like this, you are limited to sell only 30k EUR per year.
Ask your accountant.

Thank you for your time!
I had before an EU based VAT number only for aquisitions but I had to pay VAT in Romania for that amount.
Regarding VAT recovering, is not possible since we're not VAT payers.
Best regards, Florin.

SpeedTest

The VAT will kill your business "idea", you will have to deal with competitors who do not pay an extra 19%. They can sell for 10% less and earn 10% more than you

lucienfc

@FlorinMarian said:

@lucienfc said:
Sounds good, but what are the prices?

OVH's pricing + 19% VAT + 20% surcharge.

Paying 20% extra for an upgraded server is acceptable to me, but with 39% (let's make it 40%) is definitely not an option anymore.

Maybe there's someone who's willing to pay that much amount, but you have to admit that this VAT thing makes your business much less competitive, and you could have more customers without VAT.

alento

@FlorinMarian said:

@caii said:
You should get a VAT number so you can order the servers from OVH at the listed price without the 19% VAT.

If we do that, we forward VAT payment in Romania, not VAT removal.
Best regards, Florin.

That is not how it is done. Check with your accountant. VAT would only be charged to residents of the EU.

FlorinMarian

@alento said:

@FlorinMarian said:

@caii said:
You should get a VAT number so you can order the servers from OVH at the listed price without the 19% VAT.

If we do that, we forward VAT payment in Romania, not VAT removal.
Best regards, Florin.

That is not how it is done. Check with your accountant. VAT would only be charged to residents of the EU.

But Romania is in EU

caii

When Romanian company with valid VAT id buys service from French company OVH, the reverse VAT charging will be applied. OVH ask for your VAT id and charge your company 0% VAT and let you deal in your country since both companies are within EU.
In principle you should declare the acquisition of the service and pay the VAT to Romania, but since you bought the service in the interest of the company, the transaction won't carry any VAT.

I run a small business and we use a little service from OVH and this is how it works.

As a general rule, businesses charge VAT on supplies and deduct VAT on purchases. The reverse charge mechanism is a deviation from this rule where the supplier does not charge VAT on the invoice and the customer pays and deducts VAT simultaneously through the VAT return.

Better you ask some accountant that knows the EU legislation.
We tried to help you understand how the reverse VAT charging mechanism works so you can improve your business and scale up.
Remember that after collecting more than 30k EUR/year of payments from customers you will be automatically become VAT payer and need to charge VAT from customers.

So wish you good luck reaching the first 30k EUR of revenues soon!

FlorinMarian

@caii said:
When Romanian company with valid VAT id buys service from French company OVH, the reverse VAT charging will be applied. OVH ask for your VAT id and charge your company 0% VAT and let you deal in your country since both companies are within EU.
In principle you should declare the acquisition of the service and pay the VAT to Romania, but since you bought the service in the interest of the company, the transaction won't carry any VAT.

I run a small business and we use a little service from OVH and this is how it works.

As a general rule, businesses charge VAT on supplies and deduct VAT on purchases. The reverse charge mechanism is a deviation from this rule where the supplier does not charge VAT on the invoice and the customer pays and deducts VAT simultaneously through the VAT return.

Better you ask some accountant that knows the EU legislation.
We tried to help you understand how the reverse VAT charging mechanism works so you can improve your business and scale up.
Remember that after collecting more than 30k EUR/year of payments from customers you will be automatically become VAT payer and need to charge VAT from customers.

So wish you good luck reaching the first 30k EUR of revenues soon!

Thanks but I just read this on an official government guide regarding VAT:

How will a beneficiary from Romania proceed when he receives invoices for intangible services from an EU or non-EU provider?
If the beneficiary is a taxable person, the place of service is considered to be in Romania and the person obliged to pay VAT is the beneficiary, who will proceed as follows:
- if it is normally registered for VAT purposes, it will record the service tax as a tax. collected and deductible, under the conditions provided by law, in the VAT return;
- **if it is not registered for VAT purposes or is registered only for purchases
intra-community, will submit the special VAT return and will actually pay the tax to the budget State**

Source: https://static.anaf.ro/static/10/Brasov/Brasov/tratament_TVA_electronice.pdf (Page 3)

yoursunny

Tax is the worst invention of Europe.
It also spread to America when the British invaded America in the 18th Century.

Come to Atlantic.
We have no taxes and fees.

KermEd

@FlorinMarian said:

@KermEd said:
Paying more for the same service is a no. I have crypto but am not doing shady enough operations to rely on it as my only or main payment method.

I can understand your point of view but you're missing key points:

• If you have a question or you wanna report a problem they give you first answer after few days and saying nothing helpful most of the time;
• Many customers don't wanna share their real name/location and OVH requires it for ordering activation.

Best regards, Florin.

Why would you hide your real name if you aren't planning to abuse the service?

What support can you provide that doesn't need to wait on an OVH response?

... it seems you are just charging a markup ... and hoping to take advantage of abusive users?

FlorinMarian

@KermEd said:

@FlorinMarian said:

@KermEd said:
Paying more for the same service is a no. I have crypto but am not doing shady enough operations to rely on it as my only or main payment method.

I can understand your point of view but you're missing key points:

• If you have a question or you wanna report a problem they give you first answer after few days and saying nothing helpful most of the time;
• Many customers don't wanna share their real name/location and OVH requires it for ordering activation.

Best regards, Florin.

Why would you hide your real name if you aren't planning to abuse the service?

What support can you provide that doesn't need to wait on an OVH response?

... it seems you are just charging a markup ... and hoping to take advantage of abusive users?

What kind of support?

• Installing custom OS using IPMI (not anyone knows how to deal with it)
• Configuring Proxmox / SolusVM
• Configuring remote backup provided by OVH
• Help into debugging hardware/network issues

I didn't promised that I'll reinvent the wheel but many end customers don't have enough knowledge to apply OVH's guides.

As I've intended, this topic is regarding honesty between our plans and your feedback, not a way of "stealing" for us or end customers.

Best regards, Florin.

postcd

@FlorinMarian If You decide to place Kimsufi dedicated servers on your site, i would like to see your site mentioned on the internet when one search "kimsufi reseller" or such. Also there are few LET threads about this so make sure to mention your site in it.

I was interested before in these offers, not that i guarantee i will buy any in future, but good to have such option and consider it. I like the idea of not scanning my documents and paying cryptocurrency like Ethereum, Litecoin or Solana. Also PerfectMoney.is i prefer (there is WHMCS payment gateway addon). Thank you