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Russian providers, part 2 with 3 VPS/providers

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  • bruh21bruh21 Member, Host Rep

    Where is yabs

  • jsgjsg Member, Resident Benchmarker
    edited January 2022

    @bruh21 said:
    Where is yabs

    Feel free to rent 7 VPS and to yabs the hell out of them in plenty of runs and to then report the results. Oh, and also report about the panels, support, gotchas and details.

    Or in other words, let me give you a good definition of "stupid asshole": Someone invests money, know-how, and lots of work for our community - all for free, mind you - and when he presents the results of (cumulated) multiple full days of work, a stupid asshole comes and pisses on that persons efforts and work.
    Great for our community, too.

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  • @jsg Any plans to test stuff from Selectel? I have several dedicated servers and performance is excellent, network is sort of mediocre but I'm able to get a full gigabit to my target boxes. You can get a full dedicated machine for the cost of some of the VPS you benched, it might be fun to compare the two :smiley:

  • bruh21bruh21 Member, Host Rep

    @jsg said:

    @bruh21 said:
    Where is yabs

    Feel free to rent 7 VPS and to yabs the hell out of them in plenty of runs and to then report the results. Oh, and also report about the panels, support, gotchas and details.

    Or in other words, let me give you a good definition of "stupid asshole": Someone invests money, know-how, and lots of work for our community - all for free, mind you - and when he presents the results of (cumulated) multiple full days of work, a stupid asshole comes and pisses on that persons efforts and work.
    Great for our community, too.

    Easiest bait of my life

  • jsgjsg Member, Resident Benchmarker
    edited January 2022

    @LiliLabs said:
    @jsg Any plans to test stuff from Selectel? I have several dedicated servers and performance is excellent, network is sort of mediocre but I'm able to get a full gigabit to my target boxes. You can get a full dedicated machine for the cost of some of the VPS you benched, it might be fun to compare the two :smiley:

    Actually I had no plans to continue this series for the time being, but I'm open to good requests. PM me a link to a cheap Selectel VPS if you like. ;)

    @bruh21 said:
    Easiest bait of my life

    Learn about the difference between trying to look cool and smart and actually being cool and smart ... or no, wait, my bad; if you were capable to do that you wouldn't have made that dumb attempt in the first place.

  • raynorraynor Member
    edited January 2022

    Selectel definitely is prem, business grade, one of my favorites. But not LET-cheap ;) Has dedi there for NY high-load project in Dec 2021, zero issues :)

  • @raynor said:
    Selectel definitely is prem, business grade, one of my favorites. But not LET-cheap ;) Has dedi there for NY high-load project in Dec 2021, zero issues :)

    Their Chipcore line is very affordable, I have several boxes from that lineup. Ended up dumping Hetzner for them and haven't looked back since.

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  • NyrNyr Community Contributor, Veteran

    @raynor said:
    Selectel definitely is prem, business grade, one of my favorites. But not LET-cheap ;) Has dedi there for NY high-load project in Dec 2021, zero issues :)

    Selectel has LET-cheap VPS:
    https://vds.selectel.ru/

  • bruh21bruh21 Member, Host Rep

    @jsg said:

    @LiliLabs said:
    @jsg Any plans to test stuff from Selectel? I have several dedicated servers and performance is excellent, network is sort of mediocre but I'm able to get a full gigabit to my target boxes. You can get a full dedicated machine for the cost of some of the VPS you benched, it might be fun to compare the two :smiley:

    Actually I had no plans to continue this series for the time being, but I'm open to good requests. PM me a link to a cheap Selectel VPS if you like. ;)

    @bruh21 said:
    Easiest bait of my life

    Learn about the difference between trying to look cool and smart and actually being cool and smart ... or no, wait, my bad; if you were capable to do that you wouldn't have made that dumb attempt in the first place.

    it's not a dumb attempt if im getting free replies from you :D

  • NeoonNeoon Community Contributor, Veteran

    @Nyr said:

    @raynor said:
    Selectel definitely is prem, business grade, one of my favorites. But not LET-cheap ;) Has dedi there for NY high-load project in Dec 2021, zero issues :)

    Selectel has LET-cheap VPS:
    https://vds.selectel.ru/

    200RUB ain't cheap.

  • jsgjsg Member, Resident Benchmarker

    @Neoon said:

    @Nyr said:

    @raynor said:
    Selectel definitely is prem, business grade, one of my favorites. But not LET-cheap ;) Has dedi there for NY high-load project in Dec 2021, zero issues :)

    Selectel has LET-cheap VPS:
    https://vds.selectel.ru/

    200RUB ain't cheap.

    Depends. If that gets you a decent VPS with good (as in "as good or better than VDSina") connectivity it is cheap.

    We'll soon know as @LiliLabs (kindly) nudged me into looking at one ...

  • NyrNyr Community Contributor, Veteran

    @jsg said: Depends. If that gets you a decent VPS with good (as in "as good or better than VDSina") connectivity it is cheap.

    Selectel connectivity is good but censored.

    If I have to take a guess, VDSina being a smaller provider probably does not apply the government censorship.

  • jsgjsg Member, Resident Benchmarker

    @Nyr said:

    @jsg said: Depends. If that gets you a decent VPS with good (as in "as good or better than VDSina") connectivity it is cheap.

    Selectel connectivity is good but censored.

    If I have to take a guess, VDSina being a smaller provider probably does not apply the government censorship.

    "Connectivity is censored" - on what is that statement based?

  • NyrNyr Community Contributor, Veteran

    @jsg said:

    @Nyr said:

    @jsg said: Depends. If that gets you a decent VPS with good (as in "as good or better than VDSina") connectivity it is cheap.

    Selectel connectivity is good but censored.

    If I have to take a guess, VDSina being a smaller provider probably does not apply the government censorship.

    "Connectivity is censored" - on what is that statement based?

    They block services based published in the Roskomnadzor list.

  • jsgjsg Member, Resident Benchmarker

    @Nyr said:

    @jsg said:

    @Nyr said:

    @jsg said: Depends. If that gets you a decent VPS with good (as in "as good or better than VDSina") connectivity it is cheap.

    Selectel connectivity is good but censored.

    If I have to take a guess, VDSina being a smaller provider probably does not apply the government censorship.

    "Connectivity is censored" - on what is that statement based?

    They block services based published in the Roskomnadzor list.

    So they do about the same western providers do? Shocking!

    Btw. do you have a link to the evil Roskomnadzor list?

  • NyrNyr Community Contributor, Veteran

    @jsg said:

    @Nyr said:

    @jsg said:

    @Nyr said:

    @jsg said: Depends. If that gets you a decent VPS with good (as in "as good or better than VDSina") connectivity it is cheap.

    Selectel connectivity is good but censored.

    If I have to take a guess, VDSina being a smaller provider probably does not apply the government censorship.

    "Connectivity is censored" - on what is that statement based?

    They block services based published in the Roskomnadzor list.

    So they do about the same western providers do? Shocking!

    Btw. do you have a link to the evil Roskomnadzor list?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_websites_blocked_in_Russia

    Do you know of any Western providers applying heavy censorship to their hosting networks? We are not talking about eyeball ISPs here.

    There are some, but it is not the norm at all, and generally they censor fewer things. Some Bulgarian providers come to mind, but that is not very Western anyway.

    Almost all hosting networks in central and Western Europe are fully uncensored.

  • rustelekomrustelekom Member, Patron Provider
  • jsgjsg Member, Resident Benchmarker
    edited January 2022

    @Nyr said:

    @jsg said:

    @Nyr said:

    @jsg said:

    @Nyr said:

    @jsg said: Depends. If that gets you a decent VPS with good (as in "as good or better than VDSina") connectivity it is cheap.

    Selectel connectivity is good but censored.

    If I have to take a guess, VDSina being a smaller provider probably does not apply the government censorship.

    "Connectivity is censored" - on what is that statement based?

    They block services based published in the Roskomnadzor list.

    So they do about the same western providers do? Shocking!

    Btw. do you have a link to the evil Roskomnadzor list?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_websites_blocked_in_Russia

    Do you know of any Western providers applying heavy censorship to their hosting networks? We are not talking about eyeball ISPs here.

    There are some, but it is not the norm at all, and generally they censor fewer things. Some Bulgarian providers come to mind, but that is not very Western anyway.

    Almost all hosting networks in central and Western Europe are fully uncensored.

    Yes, I do. Example: in Germany (which was a recent topic here) it was a hot topic already years ago that the german authorities send weekly updated lists of verboten sites to ISPs (in Excel format IIRC g).

    Plus right now as we speak the EU is seriously planning (I kid you not) to establish something like official EU DNS servers to suppress "evil" web sites (Yes, I know that that's a ridiculous attempt but it clearly shows their readiness to censor big style).

    Actually it's simple: pretty much every country is censoring in some way simply because they must; a country just can't have a law system and ignore a vast space with plenty of problems and even crimes.
    It's just that the Russians (a) usually play it dryly in the open rather than covert or hush hush in one or the other way, and (b) "we" (USA and EU plus some vassals) are the "good ones!!!" while Russia, China, and some others (like e.g. Iran) are "the evil ones!!!" (shriek).

    Frankly, I guess that many Russians just smirk and think something like "what a bunch of morons" when they read or hear about our ridiculously ideologically bent perspective and image of Russia, the country full of suppressed people (probably with Kalaschnikovs pointed at their heads) and the brutal dictator Putin (who just so happens to consistently achieve way better election results than our "good democratic" politicians (whom hardly anyone likes and who are usually elected because they are the lesser of two evils)). Oh, and don't forget Navalny, the nobody about whom virtually nobody in Russia cares and who was brutally murdered already multiple times, yada, yada ...

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  • @jsg said: Actually it's simple: pretty much every country is censoring in some way simply because they must; a country just can't have a law system and ignore a vast space with plenty of problems and even crimes.

    Yes, there is censorship everywhere, but such as in Russia is only in Russia;)
    https://transparencyreport.google.com/government-removals/government-requests?hl=en


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  • NyrNyr Community Contributor, Veteran

    @jsg said: Yes, I do. Example: in Germany (which was a recent topic here) it was a hot topic already years ago that the german authorities send weekly updated lists of verboten sites to ISPs (in Excel format IIRC g).

    Hosting providers in Germany generally do not censor their networks, only domestic providers like in most of the EU.

    @jsg said: Plus right now as we speak the EU is seriously planning (I kid you not) to establish something like official EU DNS servers to suppress "evil" web sites (Yes, I know that that's a ridiculous attempt but it clearly shows their readiness to censor big style).

    The main objective is to avoid dependence on foreign companies for a critical service, which is reasonable. Also to provide some security via blocking where possible, which again is important for institutions. Of course censorship is also a factor, but individual citizens at home are free to avoid this service.

    @jsg said: pretty much every country is censoring

    Yes, but in some countries censorship is more prevalent, Russia being one of them.

    @jsg said: our ridiculously ideologically bent perspective and image of Russia

    I have enough experience dealing with Russian companies and Russian individuals to get a reasonably realistic image of Russia without watching the news. No need to get into politics or talk about who is doing worse or better, I am just interested in the technical stuff.

  • I'd like to read also about experience with, say, Adman, Clo...

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  • rustelekomrustelekom Member, Patron Provider

    @VayVayKa said: Yes, there is censorship everywhere, but such as in Russia is only in Russia;)

    People should understand the kind of content they are being asked to remove. There are a lot of ridiculous requests, for example: porn, homosexuality, lesbos, child porno (include manga and similar picture), nazi, etc. There are a lot of requests to remove calls for suicide, calls for unauthorised rallies (thanks to Navalny). This is not censorship, this is content that is banned in Russia.

    Of these requests, only 5-10 percent really refer to censorship, where people are forced to remove their opinions published online.

    To make the graphs accurate, it would be interesting to compare the amount of content removed for "breaking the rules" of social media or at the request of the state in the United States and the Russian Federation. I think it's actually almost the same:)

  • @rustelekom said: This is not censorship, this is content that is banned in Russia.

    Calm down guys, we don't have censorship.
    We just have it banned :D

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  • Vova1234Vova1234 Member, Patron Provider

    @rustelekom said: Of these requests, only 5-10 percent really refer to censorship, where people are forced to remove their opinions published online.

    Roskomnadzor still sends complaints about the DMCA, for example. In general, almost half of the sites hang in the bath through copyright. Are there many EU hosting sites where you can post DMCA infringing content?)

  • rustelekomrustelekom Member, Patron Provider

    @Vova1234 said:

    @rustelekom said: Of these requests, only 5-10 percent really refer to censorship, where people are forced to remove their opinions published online.

    Roskomnadzor still sends complaints about the DMCA, for example. In general, almost half of the sites hang in the bath through copyright. Are there many EU hosting sites where you can post DMCA infringing content?)

    Germany, the Netherlands - both have strict copyright laws. As far as I know, England, France and the Czech Republic are also strong.

  • jsgjsg Member, Resident Benchmarker
    edited January 2022

    @VayVayKa

    I see. Russia has been and still is continually accused of hacking, (spreading) malware and viruses, CP and other criminal content hosting and whatnot ... but when they act and try to reign in ... they are the evil ones too! Funny game and Russia is loosing either way, no matter what. If they rein in they are evil censors and if they don't they are evil supporters of crime, hate, etc.

    Anyway, roughly 1 item (requested to be censored, according to Google) per 1000 citizens sounds OK to me.
    Also one needs to see the full picture. In certain countries much is taken down via diverse threats and grey-zone actions like super secret orders where the concerned may not speak about it with anyone or else ... while AFAIK in Russia (and many other countries) everything just goes it's bureaucratic/legal way (e.g. Roskomnadzor) and more or less overtly.

    @Nyr said:

    @jsg said: Yes, I do. Example: in Germany (which was a recent topic here) it was a hot topic already years ago that the german authorities send weekly updated lists of verboten sites to ISPs (in Excel format IIRC g).

    Hosting providers in Germany generally do not censor their networks, only domestic providers like in most of the EU.

    Sure - just like "the good thug" nevar robs elderly ladies but only men who can fight ...

    @jsg said: Plus right now as we speak the EU is seriously planning (I kid you not) to establish something like official EU DNS servers to suppress "evil" web sites (Yes, I know that that's a ridiculous attempt but it clearly shows their readiness to censor big style).

    The main objective is to avoid dependence on foreign companies for a critical service, which is reasonable. Also to provide some security via blocking where possible, which again is important for institutions. Of course censorship is also a factor, but individual citizens at home are free to avoid this service.

    Now I see the light. Because having thousands and thousands of name servers in Europe anyway, incl. some roots, doesn't protect us from dependence on foreign companies, while at the same time it does protect individual citizens at home from dependency on the holy EU name server(s). Makes sense! Especially because the EU countries have no jurisdiction whatsoever over the name servers on their territory.

    also don't miss our upcoming report on why politicians only have your well-being in mind and how our brave LEA officers protect you from evil bytes by walking into a datacenter and pulling out servers!

    @jsg said: pretty much every country is censoring

    Yes, but in some countries censorship is more prevalent, Russia being one of them.

    I wonder: how is that content, that needs to be censored created in the first place when all Russians have a KGB officer pointing a gun at their head at all times? Or does that happen only during elections?

    @jsg said: our ridiculously ideologically bent perspective and image of Russia

    I have enough experience dealing with Russian companies and Russian individuals to get a reasonably realistic image of Russia without watching the news. No need to get into politics or talk about who is doing worse or better, I am just interested in the technical stuff.

    I see, that's why you engage in pointing out how massively the poor Russians are censored ...

    I'll end with a funny true story: Some years ago an obviously deranged russian "artist" who had nailed his balls to the ground did set the door of a government agency on fire and was sentenced to prison. And of course the whole western world made lots of noises about how the brutal russian diktatura terrorized even artists.
    Sometimes later said "artist" emigrated to France. Phew, finally freedom!
    Then he set the door of the french national bank on fire, end behold, something incredible happened: the french authorities quickly sentenced him to a prison term and put him into one of their worst prisons. But don't worry, hardly anyone in the free democratic western world made any noise about it.

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  • jsgjsg Member, Resident Benchmarker

    P.S. to avoid misunderstandings: NO I do not think that Putin is a saint and Russia is the paradise.

    I'm just pi__ed off by the endless Russia bashing. I'm aware of the fact that every country has its problems and weak points and that is certainly true for Russia too.

    Just let Russians be Russians and respect that we are not their judges! It's for them, and only for them, to judge their country and government and to decide how they want to live, what laws they want and how they should be applied.

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  • I just keep getting reminded of that video of the dude crying, "Leave Britney alone!" years ago.

  • jarjar Patron Provider, Top Host, Veteran
    edited January 2022

    Russia gets a bad rep because they're the only remaining super power that isn't china's bitch. So of course every country that bends over for china tries to create the social circumstances where their population will eventually support a war against them. Being strong and independent is against the law now, we just have to use different brushes to paint that picture because honesty would cause a revolt.

    One need look no further than the US. We're the baddies. We haven't been the good guys since WW2.

    I'll go back to my fever dreams now. They're pretty intense. I probably won't remember posting this.

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  • jsgjsg Member, Resident Benchmarker

    @jar said:
    Russia gets a bad rep because they're the only remaining super power that isn't china's bitch. So of course every country that bends over for china tries to create the social circumstances where their population will eventually support a war against them. Being strong and independent is against the law now, we just have to use different brushes to paint that picture because honesty would cause a revolt.

    One need look no further than the US. We're the baddies. We haven't been the good guys since WW2.

    I'll go back to my fever dreams now. They're pretty intense. I probably won't remember posting this.

    I'll politely stay away from commenting on this - but rather wish you a speedy and full recovery.

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