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Today is KS1 Day

emperoremperor Member
edited December 2021 in General

Already were 4 in Stock.. Still 1 atm hurry up.

https://www.kimsufi.com/en/order/kimsufi.xml?reference=2201sk010

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  • NeoonNeoon Community Contributor, Veteran

    KS1 has fallen since it got hiked +1

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  • I got one with a 2tb disk so gl with the lottery i guess

  • @henix said:
    I got one with a 2tb disk so gl with the lottery i guess

    Still pretty expensive for a glorified bowl of iron oxide

  • @henix said:
    I got one with a 2tb disk so gl with the lottery i guess

    Mine was also with 2TB, so i guess is great deal still :)

    Thanked by 1chedenaz
  • @Neoon said:
    KS1 has fallen since it got hiked +1

    It isn't really that KS1 was increased in price, KS1 as-was is gone and what is now listed as KS1 is what was KS2 until recently. Same with KS2 now being what was KS3.

    Beyond that it isn't so simple (KS3 is now what was KS4, but also €1/m cheaper, for example, and there are some fairly different configs in the mix).

    [source: current page and a copy cached by WayBackMachine a couple of months ago]

    @Shot2 said:

    @henix said:
    I got one with a 2tb disk so gl with the lottery i guess

    Still pretty expensive for a glorified bowl of iron oxide

    Even at 1Tb the price is pretty good, as long as you are aware of the drive age (don't put something important that you don't have backups for on a single old drive), and don't care about the slow CPU (at least you know you'll have no noisy neighbours so the speed is predictable!) and 100mpbs network cap. Whether it is a bargain or complete crap depends on what you intend to use it for.

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  • NeoonNeoon Community Contributor, Veteran
    edited December 2021

    @MeAtExampleDotCom said:

    @Neoon said:
    KS1 has fallen since it got hiked +1

    It isn't really that KS1 was increased in price, KS1 as-was is gone and what is now listed as KS1 is what was KS2 until recently. Same with KS2 now being what was KS3.

    Beyond that it isn't so simple (KS3 is now what was KS4, but also €1/m cheaper, for example, and there are some fairly different configs in the mix).

    [source: current page and a copy cached by WayBackMachine a couple of months ago]

    If you purchased a KS1, you had the chance of a 500GB, 1TB or 2TB drive.
    Same with the CPU, you could get a D525 or a N2800, now you only get a N2800, since a while.

    The Specifications on the KS website only show the minimum specs you could get.

    Now, they "replaced" the KS2 with the KS1.
    My guess is they running out of 500GB drives.

    If you end up with a 500GB drive for 3.99€ I would say its not worth it, the same goes for 4.99€ now with 1TB, for me it looks only worthy if you get a 2TB one.

    Not to speak of a KS-LE which gets you 4TB raw storage for 15€.
    If you end up with 1TB for 4.99€, shitty deal.

    Thanked by 1FlorinMarian
  • I'm sure if I ask for a replacement of my 500GB HDD I'd be getting a 1TB or 2TB one.

  • So 2 people said they got 2TB, both today? Anyone else bought it? Did you get 1TB or 2TB?

    Also any yabs? :D

  • Got 2TB but no upgrade of network and disk was very old so I cancelled it

  • NeoonNeoon Community Contributor, Veteran

    @fredo1664 said:
    Got 2TB but no upgrade of network and disk was very old so I cancelled it

    KS1 never got any network upgrade as far as I know.
    If the disk is old, you can ask for a replacement before you waste the setup fees.

    Even if its old, it may still perform good.

    Thanked by 1chedenaz
  • @drizbo said:
    So 2 people said they got 2TB, both today? Anyone else bought it? Did you get 1TB or 2TB?

    Also any yabs? :D

    `Disk : 1.8 TiB

    fio Disk Speed Tests (Mixed R/W 50/50):

    Block Size 4k (IOPS) 64k (IOPS)
    Read 623.00 KB/s (155) 9.12 MB/s (142)
    Write 655.00 KB/s (163) 9.63 MB/s (150)
    Total 1.27 MB/s (318) 18.75 MB/s (292)
    Block Size 512k (IOPS) 1m (IOPS)
    ------ --- ---- ---- ----
    Read 35.73 MB/s (69) 51.22 MB/s (50)
    Write 38.07 MB/s (74) 54.39 MB/s (53)
    Total 73.80 MB/s (143) 105.61 MB/s (103)`

    Network 100/100

    Geek
    120ish single
    310 multi

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  • @Neoon said:

    @fredo1664 said:
    Got 2TB but no upgrade of network and disk was very old so I cancelled it

    KS1 never got any network upgrade as far as I know.
    If the disk is old, you can ask for a replacement before you waste the setup fees.

    Even if its old, it may still perform good.

    They refunded the setup fees :)

  • NeoonNeoon Community Contributor, Veteran

    @fredo1664 said:

    @Neoon said:

    @fredo1664 said:
    Got 2TB but no upgrade of network and disk was very old so I cancelled it

    KS1 never got any network upgrade as far as I know.
    If the disk is old, you can ask for a replacement before you waste the setup fees.

    Even if its old, it may still perform good.

    They refunded the setup fees :)

    well then

  • @Neoon said:

    @MeAtExampleDotCom said:

    @Neoon said:
    KS1 has fallen since it got hiked +1

    It isn't really that KS1 was increased in price, KS1 as-was is gone and what is now listed as KS1 is what was KS2 until recently. Same with KS2 now being what was KS3.

    Beyond that it isn't so simple (KS3 is now what was KS4, but also €1/m cheaper, for example, and there are some fairly different configs in the mix).

    [source: current page and a copy cached by WayBackMachine a couple of months ago]

    If you purchased a KS1, you had the chance of a 500GB, 1TB or 2TB drive.
    Same with the CPU, you could get a D525 or a N2800, now you only get a N2800, since a while.
    The Specifications on the KS website only show the minimum specs you could get.

    Aye. I got the N2800 in my KS1 way back when, and a 2T drive when the ½T failed.

    It is 't just the storage & CPU though: the KS1 only came with 2Gb RAM before, now like the old KS2 it has 4 as standard.

    If you end up with a 500GB drive for 3.99€ I would say its not worth it, the same goes for 4.99€ now with 1TB, for me it looks only worthy if you get a 2TB one.

    My 2T/3.99(+VAT) is very good value for what I ask of it. 1T/€4.99 doesn't seem bad to me though.

    Not to speak of a KS-LE which gets you 4TB raw storage for 15€.
    If you end up with 1TB for 4.99€, shitty deal.

    I generally wouldn't compare special offer prices to general ones like that. Unless you get a transfer you'll never get a KS-LE but the KS-1 will sometimes be in stock as it is now.

    The KS-3 (4x raw storage for 2.6x price) and KS-15 (6x for 3.6x and a much more capable CPU & much more RAM) do look much better value (and are generally available), but only if you need that much extra storage/other (or, if like me, for anything not easy to replace you want redundant storage, especially on budget drives).

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  • @Neoon said:
    If you purchased a KS1, you had the chance of a 500GB, 1TB or 2TB drive.
    Same with the CPU, you could get a D525 or a N2800, now you only get a N2800, since a while.

    There were also some Celeron 220 boxes, really 'short straw' boxes once spectre/meltdown/etc came out, probably all decomissioned now as a result. The n2800 atoms have the nice property of in-order execution therefore immunity to all those issues

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  • What are these servers useful for? They seem very popular for some reason

  • I got a KS-1 last night that had a DOA disk. An hour later and it's got a 2TB replacement, nice!

    Ze world's cheapest dedi? $5.99/month

    Thanked by 1chedenaz
  • @dahartigan said:
    I got a KS-1 last night that had a DOA disk. An hour later and it's got a 2TB replacement, nice!

    Ze world's cheapest dedi? $5.99/month

    Most likely the defective disk was 2TB too but you didn't get to know :p
    How old is your replacement disk?

  • @farsighter said: How old is your replacement disk?

    32519 hours. This isn't a spring chicken lol

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  • I mean with KS and SYS what would consider to be a safe life for the disks? Less than 20K hours?

  • @BarkingIron said:
    I mean with KS and SYS what would consider to be a safe life for the disks? Less than 20K hours?

    Age Doesn't matter. If you are sitting on a pile of bad luck, even your new disk will fail... power fluctuations or any other malfunction will cause issues.

    I have disks over 70k, still going strong.

    My advice... seriously consider redundant backups of your critical data. But dont confuse raid with backup. Also it's easy to forget and setup raid just cause you can get moar storage, but it may well save your life one day!

    Thanked by 1chedenaz
  • henixhenix Member
    edited December 2021

    Here is the full yabs for 2 ks1's. 1tb / 2tb
    Basic System Information:
    ---------------------------------
    Processor : Intel(R) Atom(TM) CPU N2800 @ 1.86GHz
    CPU cores : 4 @ 800.104 MHz
    AES-NI : ❌ Disabled
    VM-x/AMD-V : ❌ Disabled
    RAM : 3.8 GiB
    Swap : 4.0 GiB
    Disk : 1.8 TiB

    fio Disk Speed Tests (Mixed R/W 50/50):
    ---------------------------------
    Block Size | 4k            (IOPS) | 64k           (IOPS)
      ------   | ---            ----  | ----           ----
    Read       | 614.00 KB/s    (153) | 9.00 MB/s      (140)
    Write      | 647.00 KB/s    (161) | 9.51 MB/s      (148)
    Total      | 1.26 MB/s      (314) | 18.51 MB/s     (288)
               |                      |
    Block Size | 512k          (IOPS) | 1m            (IOPS)
      ------   | ---            ----  | ----           ----
    Read       | 37.44 MB/s      (73) | 52.33 MB/s      (51)
    Write      | 39.61 MB/s      (77) | 55.58 MB/s      (54)
    Total      | 77.05 MB/s     (150) | 107.92 MB/s    (105)
    
    iperf3 Network Speed Tests (IPv4):
    ---------------------------------
    Provider        | Location (Link)           | Send Speed      | Recv Speed
                    |                           |                 |
    Clouvider       | London, UK (10G)          | 94.2 Mbits/sec  | 94.2 Mbits/sec
    Online.net      | Paris, FR (10G)           | 94.1 Mbits/sec  | 94.2 Mbits/sec
    WorldStream     | The Netherlands (10G)     | busy            | busy
    WebHorizon      | Singapore (1G)            | 83.8 Mbits/sec  | 77.7 Mbits/sec
    Clouvider       | NYC, NY, US (10G)         | 92.0 Mbits/sec  | 92.6 Mbits/sec
    Velocity Online | Tallahassee, FL, US (10G) | 89.2 Mbits/sec  | 76.5 Mbits/sec
    Clouvider       | Los Angeles, CA, US (10G) | 89.2 Mbits/sec  | 88.5 Mbits/sec
    Iveloz Telecom  | Sao Paulo, BR (2G)        | 84.5 Mbits/sec  | 83.0 Mbits/sec
    
    iperf3 Network Speed Tests (IPv6):
    ---------------------------------
    Provider        | Location (Link)           | Send Speed      | Recv Speed
                    |                           |                 |
    Clouvider       | London, UK (10G)          | 92.9 Mbits/sec  | 92.8 Mbits/sec
    Online.net      | Paris, FR (10G)           | 92.9 Mbits/sec  | 92.8 Mbits/sec
    WorldStream     | The Netherlands (10G)     | 92.7 Mbits/sec  | 92.8 Mbits/sec
    WebHorizon      | Singapore (1G)            | 81.3 Mbits/sec  | 69.7 Mbits/sec
    Clouvider       | NYC, NY, US (10G)         | 90.7 Mbits/sec  | 91.3 Mbits/sec
    Clouvider       | Los Angeles, CA, US (10G) | 88.0 Mbits/sec  | 86.5 Mbits/sec
    
    Geekbench 5 Benchmark Test:
    ---------------------------------
    Test            | Value
                    |
    Single Core     | 112
    Multi Core      | 312
    Full Test       | https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/11733014
    

    Basic System Information:
    ---------------------------------
    Processor  : Intel(R) Atom(TM) CPU N2800   @ 1.86GHz
    CPU cores  : 4 @ 1083.748 MHz
    AES-NI     : ❌ Disabled
    VM-x/AMD-V : ❌ Disabled
    RAM        : 3.8 GiB
    Swap       : 2.0 GiB
    Disk       : 914.8 GiB
    
    fio Disk Speed Tests (Mixed R/W 50/50):
    ---------------------------------
    Block Size | 4k            (IOPS) | 64k           (IOPS)
      ------   | ---            ----  | ----           ----
    Read       | 533.00 KB/s    (133) | 7.26 MB/s      (113)
    Write      | 565.00 KB/s    (141) | 7.64 MB/s      (119)
    Total      | 1.09 MB/s      (274) | 14.91 MB/s     (232)
               |                      |
    Block Size | 512k          (IOPS) | 1m            (IOPS)
      ------   | ---            ----  | ----           ----
    Read       | 27.31 MB/s      (53) | 36.39 MB/s      (35)
    Write      | 29.31 MB/s      (57) | 39.70 MB/s      (38)
    Total      | 56.62 MB/s     (110) | 76.10 MB/s      (73)
    
    iperf3 Network Speed Tests (IPv4):
    ---------------------------------
    Provider        | Location (Link)           | Send Speed      | Recv Speed
                    |                           |                 |
    Clouvider       | London, UK (10G)          | 94.2 Mbits/sec  | 94.1 Mbits/sec
    Online.net      | Paris, FR (10G)           | 94.2 Mbits/sec  | 94.2 Mbits/sec
    WorldStream     | The Netherlands (10G)     | 94.0 Mbits/sec  | 94.1 Mbits/sec
    WebHorizon      | Singapore (1G)            | 83.7 Mbits/sec  | 82.3 Mbits/sec
    Clouvider       | NYC, NY, US (10G)         | 92.0 Mbits/sec  | 92.3 Mbits/sec
    Velocity Online | Tallahassee, FL, US (10G) | 89.3 Mbits/sec  | 81.4 Mbits/sec
    Clouvider       | Los Angeles, CA, US (10G) | 89.3 Mbits/sec  | 88.9 Mbits/sec
    Iveloz Telecom  | Sao Paulo, BR (2G)        | 84.7 Mbits/sec  | 82.6 Mbits/sec
    
    Geekbench 5 Benchmark Test:
    ---------------------------------
    Test            | Value
                    |
    Single Core     | 109
    Multi Core      | 300
    Full Test       | https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/11732975
    
  • @allthemtings said:
    What are these servers useful for? They seem very popular for some reason

    Storage for backups, static hosting (with your dynamic bits on something faster if needed), simple not-so-static hosting, services that don't require much CPU (DNS, mail, ...), game servers for older games, public test beds for stuff, ...

    @plumberg said:
    My advice... seriously consider redundant backups of your critical data.

    Good advice.

    I have some low-end boxes acting as backups. Each uses RAID1 (or 1E/equivalent) locally for “single drive fails” protection and there are multiple to survive “whole machine/host goes offline” protection - a redundant array of inexpensive geographically+topologically separated redundant arrays of inexpensive disks, taking the gamble that this is better protection than paying as much or more for fewer better bits of kit.

  • Can it run docker with that CPU ?

  • edited December 2021

    @CeterisParibus0000 said:
    Can it run docker with that CPU ?

    You can run docker on any CPU that kernel versions 3.10 or higher will build for. Docker containers are not virtual machines so don't need CPU features like VT-x. You can run docker containers on a Raspberry Pi Zero v1.

    Of course the software you want to run in the containers might have extra requirements.

  • Thank you for the explanation ! Clear

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