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Providers Outage Section on LowEndTalk? Yay or Nay?
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Providers Outage Section on LowEndTalk? Yay or Nay?

jbilohjbiloh Administrator

Folks,

Someone suggested to me today that LowEndTalk should have the benefit of a dedicated section where users can post about outages.

That would create the benefit of:

  1. Easy to find and organize new content
  2. Creates a semi log/history of sorts of outages - for which our community can use as a guide to establish the reliability of providers

Open to ideas and suggestions...

Should LowEndTalk have a "Providers Outages" Section?
  1. Should LowEndTalk have a "Providers Outages" Section?103 votes
    1. Yes
      83.50%
    2. No
      15.53%
    3. Maybe something else, I'll comment with the idea
        0.97%

Comments

  • Yay.

  • Sounds good. Wasn't there one already, at least at some point in time?

  • bruh21bruh21 Member, Host Rep

    i don't see why not

  • Definitely. And like "Best provider" tags, let's have something similiar for the providers with frequent outage ;)

    Thanked by 1dahartigan
  • ArkasArkas Moderator
    edited September 2021

    Sounds very useful. How will it be updated?

  • kalimov622kalimov622 Member
    edited September 2021

    @Arkas said: Sounds very useful. How will it be updated?

    By members most likely, right? Similar to WHT I guess.

  • yoursunnyyoursunny Member, IPv6 Advocate

    Provider Outage aka PMS category.
    You can make a thread if:

    • You can't ping your server because a mouse bites your modem cord.
    • Your server is offline because you forgot to pay your invoice.
    • Your server is suspended because you send spam.
    • Your website is showing 500 error because WordPress crashed and it's somehow provider's fault.
    • You can't connect to your VPN because the national firewall blocked your server, and it's somehow provider's fault.
    • You can't watch Netflix because Netflix detected the server IP is in a data center.
  • jbilohjbiloh Administrator

    @kalimov622 said:

    @Arkas said: Sounds very useful. How will it be updated?

    By members most likely, right? Similar to WHT I guess.

    Yes

  • yoursunnyyoursunny Member, IPv6 Advocate

    Uncomfortable question:

    Location Z of provider R has been offline for 6 hours.
    3000 servers are offline.
    A user writes about it.

    The provider is the biggest advertiser that financially support LET, with $5000/month spending.
    They contact LET management asking to delete the outage thread, or they'll pull the advertising deal.

    What's the outcome?


    This happens in many industries.
    Newspapers do not expose negative stories of their biggest advertisers.

  • But how it would be different from https://www.lowendtalk.com/categories/outages?

    Also shouldn't this be in Meta? :)

  • raindog308raindog308 Administrator

    @Kassem said: Also shouldn't this be in Meta?

    Jon's new here :-) I've moved it.

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    Thanked by 2TimboJones Kassem
  • every thread in such Outages Section should have poll (STILL WORKS FOR ME/I AM AFFECTED TOO) to differentiate if it is isolated case or wide spread (like 3000 customers)

    Thanked by 1bruh21
  • jbilohjbiloh Administrator

    @raindog308 said:

    @Kassem said: Also shouldn't this be in Meta?

    Jon's new here :-) I've moved it.

    image

    Haha, whoops, wow. My error.

  • @yoursunny said: Newspapers do not expose negative stories of their biggest advertisers.

    I would like to see @jbiloh comments on this, but a good way to prevent such things from happening would be to ensure that no individual host (as defined by their parent companies) can spend more than some threshold value on advertising, for example, 400% of the median spend of all advertisers on LET.

    This leads to two advantages:

    • Avoids an over-dependence on the highest spender's revenue.
    • Prevents situations like these, where the host manipulates the forum owner to do stuff that's not in the interests of the community.
    Thanked by 2adly AndrewL64
  • MannDudeMannDude Member, Host Rep

    I voted, "No", just because if it's a provider with enough customers chances are there may be active discussion and the thread would be visible regardless, whether it was posted in Off Topic or General or wherever. Less clutter on the sidebar and the information is getting shared or posted anyway.

    But I see I'm very out numbered so what do I know, ha!

  • DPDP Administrator, The Domain Guy

    I voted yes, but come to think of it, maybe not.

    Reason is that, from my perspective:

    1. If users are the ones posting, it will most likely end up being filled with posts like "is X down?", "my server is offline, please check" and "no issues here" - you get my point.
    2. If only Providers are allowed to post, not all can and will commit to this. If a Provider can't even send timely comms/updates out internally to their customers via their own channels, I doubt they'll do it here. But for those who are practicing such communications, this would be somewhat redundant work for them.
    Thanked by 1stevewatson301
  • I'm sure LET will not support anything against the "Purple Spam Guy"

    Anyway I vote gor no.
    Otherwise it will make LET a de facto support website for those providers.

    Thanked by 1WSWD
  • Scam providers will protest it. Honest providers will embrace it.

    Simple scam physics.

  • How is this different from the current "Outages" section?

    Already mentioned but went unanswered:

    @Kassem said:
    But how it would be different from https://www.lowendtalk.com/categories/outages?

    Also shouldn't this be in Meta? :)

  • codelockcodelock Member
    edited September 2021

    Wee need a special seduction in memory of @cociu where all storage offers will be posted

  • You should add providers scam section too

    Thanked by 1dahartigan
  • jbilohjbiloh Administrator

    @Stryp said:
    How is this different from the current "Outages" section?

    Already mentioned but went unanswered:

    @Kassem said:
    But how it would be different from https://www.lowendtalk.com/categories/outages?

    Also shouldn't this be in Meta? :)

    It's not really. I overlooked that section because it doesn't have a ton of of activity. Still open for suggestions on how we can enhance the usability and function of such a section.

  • I voted No. It's not LET's duty to monitor providers. This is a community, not uptime monitor, nor technical support for providers. This would sound like we encourage people complaining here about providers.

    Thanked by 1BlaZe
  • @default said:
    I voted No. It's not LET's duty to monitor providers. This is a community, not uptime monitor, nor technical support for providers. This would sound like we encourage people complaining here about providers.

    In the name of traffic and dollars, stop this blasphemy!

    Serverbear back in the days had public uptime for providers. It wasn't popular as there was to many false positives.

  • @mustafamw3 said:
    You should add providers scam section too

    Yes, for providers to discuss their scamming strategy

    Thanked by 1mustafamw3
  • @dahartigan said: Yes, for providers to discuss their scamming strategy

    exactly

  • Shot2Shot2 Member
    edited September 2021

    No.

    Every dumb*ss will go there and whine as soon as their precious $1 VPS gets nullrouted, or whenever they misconfigured their network interface.

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