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SHHHHHHhhhh. Don't tell the boss they are this cheap. RPIs Dedis

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  • PieHasBeenEatenPieHasBeenEaten Member, Host Rep
    edited August 2021

    @dahartigan So they sell out and you call it a scam? Lol then you get set straight and then like a child you have to throw a jab about ram. Humm how those affiliate links working out for you?

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  • DataIdeas-JoshDataIdeas-Josh Member, Patron Provider
    edited August 2021

    @dimqua said:
    What's the point, isn't it cheaper to buy the RPi? B) They're not too expensive.

    Indeed the RPi is cheap to buy and if you have a static IP at home to run as your own server more power to you. Some people like having a dedicated machine that just so happens to be a RPi with its own IP.

    We still aint fully sold out folks
    Still have Raspberry Pi 4 - 8GB Ram/256GB SD/8TB HDD available.

  • yoursunnyyoursunny Member, IPv6 Advocate
    edited August 2021

    @DataIdeas-Josh said:

    @dimqua said:
    What's the point, isn't it cheaper to buy the RPi? B) They're not too expensive.

    Indeed the RPi is cheap to buy and if you have a static IP at home to run as your own server more power to you.

    You don't need static IP at residence to run a RPi.
    There's dynamic DNS updates.

    A concern is that some residential ISP contract disallows running servers.
    If you are found to have servers, ISP would ask you to upgrade to a business contract that costs double.

    I have a BeagleBone Black running on port 443, and I haven't been flagged so far.
    It's for me to access files while outside, which doesn't count as a server in Verizon terms.

    RPi Servers by Data Ideas LLC would be valuable if I want to run a public facing service.
    However, it has to compete with VPS providers, because the resources on an RPi (without buying a drive) is comparable to a small VPS.

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  • @creep said:

    @codelock said:

    @dimqua said:
    What's the point, isn't it cheaper to buy the RPi? B) They're not too expensive.

    Electricity and internet + Rackspace are not free

    just put it at someone's office with wifi, could be your office, your mom's or your friend's. That was my plan many years ago but up until now i didnt even buy one pi.

    Good luck on 1Gbps symmetrical via WiFi and then if something goes wrong and its "in some office" you wait till the next day to fix it xD If it will break then you will need to order spare, wait for it etc... or buy two RPi in first place (but that destroys cost benefit) You also need static IP that has every port forwarded to your RPi without any NAT. Kinda difficult to tick all boxes and then you also think about location - maybe you don't want your server to be in your city, but in US/Dallas?

    I have like 8x Xeons E2 V2 etc. I could build some "desktop servers", I have 1Gbit symmetric in my house, but its just not worth it.

    I pay 15 euro for 4 EPYC cores at Netcup and I dont need to care about anything. If something will broke it will be fixed in few minutes or maybe hour, even in night. Hosting from home isn't worth at this scale, just calculate how much extra you will pay for electricity. Different story if I would have like 40 servers, solar panels, use servers for clients... then I could get employee and it would be good idea.

  • @creep said:

    @codelock said:

    @dimqua said:
    What's the point, isn't it cheaper to buy the RPi? B) They're not too expensive.

    Electricity and internet + Rackspace are not free

    just put it at someone's office with wifi, could be your office, your mom's or your friend's. That was my plan many years ago but up until now i didnt even buy one pi.

    If you're going to suggest to someone wanting to colocate at a datacenter to instead do it at someone else's place over WiFi, people are not going to take you seriously.

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  • DataIdeas-JoshDataIdeas-Josh Member, Patron Provider
    edited August 2021

    @yoursunny said: You don't need static IP at residence to run a RPi.
    There's dynamic DNS updates.

    >

    A concern is that some residential ISP contract disallows running servers.

    If you are found to have servers, ISP would ask you to upgrade to a business contract that costs double.

    That is true as well. Also some ISPs have carrier grade firewalls.
    I never did say that a RPi would be faster or better than some VPS offers out there.
    Some people just like knowing that their stuff is running on a RPi or that they can smack it around without the worry of limits. Also you have the ARM architecture.

  • @PieHasBeenEaten said:
    @dahartigan So they sell out and you call it a scam? Lol then you get set straight and then like a child you have to throw a jab about ram. Humm how those affiliate links working out for you?

    Wtf are you on about son?

  • DataIdeas-JoshDataIdeas-Josh Member, Patron Provider

    I'm kind of surprised nobody took one of the 8TB offers.

  • CloudieCloudie Member, Host Rep

    @DataIdeas-Josh said: I'm kind of surprised nobody took one of the 8TB offers.

    me too, definitely the best price to TB offer that you can find around the place on "dedicated" hardware..

    Maybe show off some bench porn, might help? but me.. i'm sitting here waiting for your RPi Zero's to come back in :-)

  • K4Y5K4Y5 Member
    edited August 2021

    @DataIdeas-Josh said:
    I'm kind of surprised nobody took one of the 8TB offers.

    While the base $7/mo SBC deals are certainly lucrative and appeals to the tinkerer / hobbyist in me, it simply is cheaper (and more VFM) to just get a proper dedi with Xeon, multiple HDDs, Gbit port and more RAM for 24x7 real world use at or beyond the $40/mo price point.

  • DataIdeas-JoshDataIdeas-Josh Member, Patron Provider

    @K4Y5 said:

    @DataIdeas-Josh said:
    I'm kind of surprised nobody took one of the 8TB offers.

    While the base $7/mo SBC deals are certainly lucrative and appeals to the tinkerer / hobbyist in me, it simply is cheaper (and more VFM) to just get a proper dedi with Xeon, multiple HDDs, Gbit port and more RAM for 24x7 real world use at or beyond the $40/mo price point.

    But would you get 8TB for $40?

  • K4Y5K4Y5 Member

    @DataIdeas-Josh said:

    @K4Y5 said:

    @DataIdeas-Josh said:
    I'm kind of surprised nobody took one of the 8TB offers.

    While the base $7/mo SBC deals are certainly lucrative and appeals to the tinkerer / hobbyist in me, it simply is cheaper (and more VFM) to just get a proper dedi with Xeon, multiple HDDs, Gbit port and more RAM for 24x7 real world use at or beyond the $40/mo price point.

    But would you get 8TB for $40?

    Oh yes, most certainly!

    E3-1230v3 / 16GB RAM / 2x4T HDD / 100TB @ 1Gbit For EUR 29.95 @ Leaseweb NL
    E3-1230v3 / 16GB RAM / 2x8T HDD / 100TB @ 1Gbit For EUR 39.95 @ Leaseweb NL
    
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  • DataIdeas-JoshDataIdeas-Josh Member, Patron Provider

    That is more than $40 USD but I get your point.
    Hmmm... I was thinking this would sell but I guess I am wrong. :(

  • For $15/m, I order one ;)

  • DataIdeas-JoshDataIdeas-Josh Member, Patron Provider

    Hmmmmmm

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  • Nobody will try the 8tb deals because there are too many alternative options.

  • K4Y5K4Y5 Member

    @DataIdeas-Josh said:
    That is more than $40 USD but I get your point.
    Hmmm... I was thinking this would sell but I guess I am wrong. :(

    2x4T = 8T (R0) is for 29.95EUR or ~35USD.
    2x8T = 16T (R0) is for 39.95EUR or ~47USD.
    

    10/10 for your idea, but pricing could have certainly been more competitive to offer better VFM :smile:

  • Even 256gb sd card is just too much ; it's sd card afterall they are very slow,

  • DataIdeas-JoshDataIdeas-Josh Member, Patron Provider

    @K4Y5 said:

    @DataIdeas-Josh said:
    That is more than $40 USD but I get your point.
    Hmmm... I was thinking this would sell but I guess I am wrong. :(

    2x4T = 8T (R0) is for 29.95EUR or ~35USD.
    2x8T = 16T (R0) is for 39.95EUR or ~47USD.
    

    10/10 for your idea, but pricing could have certainly been more competitive to offer better VFM :smile:

    What would you say be a better pricing?

  • This is a very tempting offer, but I've been getting help and it was advised that I shouldn't purchase servers which I don't need.

    BTW, if you're throwing out old RPi's LMK. We run a good cause here in LK utilising RPi's.

  • @DataIdeas-Josh said:

    @K4Y5 said:

    @DataIdeas-Josh said:
    That is more than $40 USD but I get your point.
    Hmmm... I was thinking this would sell but I guess I am wrong. :(

    2x4T = 8T (R0) is for 29.95EUR or ~35USD.
    2x8T = 16T (R0) is for 39.95EUR or ~47USD.
    

    10/10 for your idea, but pricing could have certainly been more competitive to offer better VFM :smile:

    What would you say be a better pricing?

    I don't think there's a niche for this. People who need a lot storage aren't going to be willing to fiddle with compiling. Maybe $20? - although I don't see how that would be profitable to you

  • K4Y5K4Y5 Member

    @drunkendog said:

    @DataIdeas-Josh said:

    @K4Y5 said:

    @DataIdeas-Josh said:
    That is more than $40 USD but I get your point.
    Hmmm... I was thinking this would sell but I guess I am wrong. :(

    2x4T = 8T (R0) is for 29.95EUR or ~35USD.
    2x8T = 16T (R0) is for 39.95EUR or ~47USD.
    

    10/10 for your idea, but pricing could have certainly been more competitive to offer better VFM :smile:

    What would you say be a better pricing?

    I don't think there's a niche for this. People who need a lot storage aren't going to be willing to fiddle with compiling. Maybe $20? - although I don't see how that would be profitable to you

    This. An 8T DC grade HDD sells for $220-$240. Assuming you spread your ROI over a year, $25/mo doesn't look too shabby a price point :yum:

    A better option imo, would be to provide an option where clients can ship an HDD to you, while you could charge a nominal amount for remote hands for connecting it to the SBC. You can suitably mark your price up a little to pay for additional power draw + bandwidth, while ensuring customer retention for longer periods, long after the novelty wears off :tongue:

  • @K4Y5 said:

    @drunkendog said:

    @DataIdeas-Josh said:

    @K4Y5 said:

    @DataIdeas-Josh said:
    That is more than $40 USD but I get your point.
    Hmmm... I was thinking this would sell but I guess I am wrong. :(

    2x4T = 8T (R0) is for 29.95EUR or ~35USD.
    2x8T = 16T (R0) is for 39.95EUR or ~47USD.
    

    10/10 for your idea, but pricing could have certainly been more competitive to offer better VFM :smile:

    What would you say be a better pricing?

    I don't think there's a niche for this. People who need a lot storage aren't going to be willing to fiddle with compiling. Maybe $20? - although I don't see how that would be profitable to you

    This. An 8T DC grade HDD sells for $220-$240. Assuming you spread your ROI over a year, $25/mo doesn't look too shabby a price point :yum:

    A better option imo, would be to provide an option where clients can ship an HDD to you, while you could charge a nominal amount for remote hands for connecting it to the SBC. You can suitably mark your price up a little to pay for additional power draw + bandwidth, while ensuring customer retention for longer periods, long after the novelty wears off :tongue:

    I mean DataIdeas do provide collocating hd with your pie already xD. Personally though price wise needs to be (in my view) max 2$/tb in raid 1 otherwise using it as bulk storage doesnt make sense vs other currently avaiable options.

  • DataIdeas-JoshDataIdeas-Josh Member, Patron Provider

    I mean a RPi can be used for Plex for direct streaming. (Not transcoding). Or a cloud Nas of some sort.
    I can make the price lower. Keep an eye out in the next couple of hours.

  • This feels like a fun place to share this -- will admit it isn't specific to RPi but those of you whom are fans of SBCs (Single board computers) may find this interesting:

    You can learn about what it takes to produce Armbian for the hundres of single board computers they support.

    Cheers!

  • DataIdeas-JoshDataIdeas-Josh Member, Patron Provider

    Soo we forgot to put an end date on this.
    We got rpis still around.

  • kavinrakkavinrak Member
    edited September 2021

    @DataIdeas-Josh the totaling seems off.

  • bruh21bruh21 Member, Host Rep

    @kavinrak said:
    @DataIdeas-Josh the totaling seems off.

    it is prorated

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  • @bruh21 missed that thanks for the heads up.

  • DataIdeas-JoshDataIdeas-Josh Member, Patron Provider

    @kavinrak said:
    @DataIdeas-Josh the totaling seems off.

    I still got those available.
    I have adjusted the pricing on those to $30/month/recurring if use the code.

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