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[privacy] VPS in Korea/Singapore/Japan vs Amsterdam

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  • dadimari952dadimari952 Member
    edited May 2021

    @MannDude said: As far as intended use. There are different levels of 'criminality'. Storing pirated content is on the low end of things whereas... Well, use your imagination. There are certainly much much MUCH worse things than that.

    I know it's all sort of a vague but only you seem to know what your intended use will be. If you're doing ultra shady or illegal shit, I'd advise against it. If you do it anyway, I wouldn't use any of the locations you mentioned in your title.

    Then what's the point of your question "what kind of activity are you doing to do?"

    Provided that if it's criminal - it's criminal and hence punishable in all the said countries. If it's not - not. How does knowing a kind of activity would influence your answer? I could be any, it could be none. This is why I said "generally speaking" and didn't specify the area of activity.

  • dadimari952dadimari952 Member
    edited May 2021

    @jsg said: It really depends on what kind of privacy you need and what you use the systems for. "Stay away from 5/9/14 eyes!" is generally good advice but certainly neither complete nor covering all cases. Doing warez for instance is a very different story from doing 'free speech' and quite a few countries are relatively lenient wrt one but not at all wrt the other.

    One absolutely decisive question is whom you'll p_ss off. If it's a country the story is quite different from when it's say corporations. Plus, of course where you live is very important too.

    Another vital question is how strong you are in terms of money, practical political know-how, and technical know-how. Usually people fail due to a lack of these.

    I got it. But as I've said "generally speaking", therefore, those nuances are irrelevant for this question.

  • @stefeman said:

    @dadimari952 said:

    @stefeman said: Worst location for anything shady or warez is definitely Korea. They have the highest amount of internet control and censorship.

    South Korea? Where do you get it from?

    Experience.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_censorship_in_South_Korea
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_in_South_Korea

    Anything with blood is censored to 15+ and requires SMS verification to view. this includes manga, comics, movies, games, etc. Try viewing anything bloody on kakaopage or naver for example lol. Even the fucking novels are age restricted if theres fighting.

    Interesting. Now I should destoy a VPS server I rent in South Korea :smile:

  • deankdeank Member, Troll

    PMS detected.

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  • VJTVJT Member

    There are few good options centered around privacy, not cheap though -
    https://www.privacytools.io/providers/

  • rm_rm_ IPv6 Advocate, Veteran

    Take special care not only regarding the VPS location, but also residency of the hosting company. For instance all of this doesn't matter and goes out of the window, if you are actually just choosing which Vultr location to pick.

  • coldcold Member

    @stefeman said:
    It depends what you are attempting to do.

    Short answer: NL.

    Long answer:

    For piracy/warez hosting: NL then Japan then Singapore and then Korea. I'd take japan over Singapore due to language barrier and better privacy laws.

    Anything else shady, avoid Asia all together. only EU (Baltics, Nordics, and 3rd world countries like Moldova and Romania).

    Romania is 3rd world country ?

  • WilliamWilliam Member

    @dadimari952 said: What for?

    Aside of Switzerland all of these work universal for most content.

    @cold said: Romania is 3rd world country ?

    Law enforcement wise it barely is 3rd world even. Nearly as corrupt as Serbia, which is regarded as governed by corruption - not elections.

    In Romania even the gov bribes internally as nothing else would function anymore - Similar to Serbia, and where i draw the line between "corrupt buerocrats" and "corrupt system by design".

  • WilliamWilliam Member

    @stefeman said: Even the fucking novels are age restricted if theres fighting.

    Speaking of games, if you release a game in south korea, you will have insane amount of problems to solve with the local game reviewer organization. If you fail the review, they will simply block your website and/or services nationwide.

    You might be susprised, but Germany has very similar laws.

    • Porn is illegal to be hosted (jail)
    • Any hentai is child porn (jail)
    • Any BOOK (yes, words, no drawings) can be child porn (also jail)
    • Any game is subject to censorship (sales ban, nazi stuff also gets you criminal trial)
    • Any movie is subject to censorship (sales bans under 18, import bans incl. EU)
    • Sim cards require ID card/Address verification
    • All phone calls and SMS headers are logged

    etc. etc.

  • coldcold Member

    @William said:

    @dadimari952 said: What for?

    Aside of Switzerland all of these work universal for most content.

    @cold said: Romania is 3rd world country ?

    Law enforcement wise it barely is 3rd world even. Nearly as corrupt as Serbia, which is regarded as governed by corruption - not elections.

    In Romania even the gov bribes internally as nothing else would function anymore - Similar to Serbia, and where i draw the line between "corrupt buerocrats" and "corrupt system by design".

    as far as I know corruption is world wide... but you are somehow right...

  • WilliamWilliam Member

    @amadex1337 said: So, if you do shit in Netherlands as a Romanian citizen, you will have problems.

    They will send you to trial in NL, then you can choose a NL or RO jail.

    Also all EU countries extradite on paper (they have to, even Germany) but in reality you get a trial in your own country and never have to actually leave it if you do not want to.

    Note that EU countries, most, WILL EXTRADITE NON CITIZENS OUT OF THE EU - Germany or the Netherlands WILL send a Slovenian to the US, but not a citizen. Croatia does not extradite if you are married to a local, similar to Brazil.

    @amadex1337 said: If you do shit in EU as a Bosnian, Serbian and so on citizen, you are fine if you are in your own country.

    Uh, hard words. Serbia WILL EXTRADITE CITIZENS TO THE EU, AS DOES BOSNIA but both do not extradite to the US or Russia.

    Safe bets is being a German citizen with crimes only outside Germany (think Winterkorn from VW) - Zero chance of ever being convicted (no local law) and zero chance of extradition (German constitution forbids extradition of citizens).

    @cold said: as far as I know corruption is world wide... but you are somehow right...

    Some countries have practically no corruption, but that is merely cultural (Iceland, Norway) - Some rich countries also have insane corruption (Arabs) while some ultra poor ones have nearly none (presumably you need a functioning gov to bribe someone tho...)

  • dadimari952dadimari952 Member
    edited May 2021

    @rm_ said:
    Take special care not only regarding the VPS location, but also residency of the hosting company. For instance all of this doesn't matter and goes out of the window, if you are actually just choosing which Vultr location to pick.

    You got me :smile: - I'm using Vultr and choosing among servers the locations that could possibly be although bad, to the least degree so.

    Also I'm using Linode, and used to use Digital Ocean.

  • amadex1337amadex1337 Member
    edited May 2021

    @William said:

    @amadex1337 said: So, if you do shit in Netherlands as a Romanian citizen, you will have problems.

    They will send you to trial in NL, then you can choose a NL or RO jail.

    Also all EU countries extradite on paper (they have to, even Germany) but in reality you get a trial in your own country and never have to actually leave it if you do not want to.

    Note that EU countries, most, WILL EXTRADITE NON CITIZENS OUT OF THE EU - Germany or the Netherlands WILL send a Slovenian to the US, but not a citizen. Croatia does not extradite if you are married to a local, similar to Brazil.

    @amadex1337 said: If you do shit in EU as a Bosnian, Serbian and so on citizen, you are fine if you are in your own country.

    Uh, hard words. Serbia WILL EXTRADITE CITIZENS TO THE EU, AS DOES BOSNIA but both do not extradite to the US or Russia.

    Safe bets is being a German citizen with crimes only outside Germany (think Winterkorn from VW) - Zero chance of ever being convicted (no local law) and zero chance of extradition (German constitution forbids extradition of citizens).

    @cold said: as far as I know corruption is world wide... but you are somehow right...

    Some countries have practically no corruption, but that is merely cultural (Iceland, Norway) - Some rich countries also have insane corruption (Arabs) while some ultra poor ones have nearly none (presumably you need a functioning gov to bribe someone tho...)

    Zdravko Mamić was not extradited to Croatia (EU), he is in Bosnia free like a bird.

  • WilliamWilliam Member

    @amadex1337 said: Zdravko Mamić was not extradited to Croatia (EU), he is in Bosnia free like a bird.

    He is Bosnian citizen, by their law he should be extradited - If your connections go against that (same as i would never be extradited from Serbia) its not really the legal system that is broken.

  • 0xOkami0xOkami Member

    We're going off topic, let's handle this mans question boys :joy:

  • dadimari952dadimari952 Member
    edited May 2021

    @0xOkami said:
    We're going off topic, let's handle this mans question boys :joy:

    Are you the supervisor here? Go ahead yourself and handle them then. :smiley:

  • skorupionskorupion Member, Host Rep

    @dadimari952 said:

    @0xOkami said:
    We're going off topic, let's handle this mans question boys :joy:

    Are you the superviser here? Go ahead yourself and handle them then. :smiley:

    Be careful before one of the beasts arrives, they are unstoppable @raindog308 @jbiloh

  • @dadimari952 said:
    In terms of privacy and being left alone, lesser amount of strict regulations of any kind and so on, and generally speaking, in which of the following location(s) would you recommend to get a VPS server in:

    South Korea/Singapore/Japan

    or

    Netherlands

    ?

    Correct me if i am wrong. I don't think less strict regulations means good privacy to the users.
    On the contrary, stricter regulations may means better security and privacy. Unless the regulation states providers are required to log traffic of their users.

    In countries with lax regulations, my personal opinion is that since is not well regulated, providers can do what they like. "Law-less".

  • sure, the first option

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