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German court forces mail provider Tutanota to insert a backdoor
Tuta is no longer "privacy first" email provider. They are forced by a court to create monitoring tool for one of their mailbox. This lead to a precedence that all mailboxes can be monitored with them. Time to move on.
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Thanks for the update
Fuck, I have like 8 months remaining on that.
Translation: Do not trust german providers! Not because they are evil - 99% are not, but because they are forced to install/have backdoors and because nobody really controls the eavesdropping gov. agencies.
The same goes for most european providers.
Sad state of things, really sad.
The same goes for all providers from the 5 eyes countries.
Well, since Tutanota are filing a complaint against the court's decision, there's still a chance that the court's decision will be overruled.
This said, the initial signs aren't encouraging.
Yes, of course.
Lavabit 2.0 incoming ?
(a) Tutanota must (begin to) comply anyway and now.
(b) The very fact that a "court" can grossly go against the constitution and crudely ignore and violate e.g. proportionality does not indicate that hope is justified and sensible.
How about making a law that requires all judges signing such order and all officers serving and/or enforcing them to install publicly accessible cameras (with microphones) in their private living space except in the bathroom? I guess that would change their attitude and readiness to sign such orders dramatically.
Plus, any politician ignoring and violating the constitution or attempting to do so should become fair game and be shot on sight. That would re-instill respect for the highest laws of the land quickly and effectively.
To be honest, I've never been optimistic about the future of the EU. European Union, not
Europe.
Very sad indeed, paid for their service for a year and pulled out a few months ago with their service facing DDOS attacks. Moved to mxroute amazing service however not sure how the mxroute will cope with a request like tutanota if it was ever to come to that
Maybe a bad translation to English, but a European court said that? Dafuq are they smoking?
I was once in a court in Canada where a judge had to have a point made for her about a specific freedom of speech/expression wrt to TV content in their language (not English). Basically, she made some comment where it was clear she was old and didn't respect TV (something, something, TV has value? or something along those lines). But the looks from the other judges, lawyers and spectators was speechless. I almost yelled at her for being so stupid. If it wasn't for much more capable, logically and sane judges, I'd have lost all faith in the court system.
mxroute is USA based company. USA is not the best place for data privacy.
MXRoute is a US based company with mail servers in Germany. It also doesn't encrypt any mailboxes, so it would be trivial to implement interception.
MXRoute was asked to publish a transparency report in March (in line with ProtonMail, Posteo, Mailbox.org, etc.), but Jarland stated MXRoute has never received a law enforcement request.
Say hello to our brave new world. There is no real privacy on the Internet. There is only the choice of who to monitor. If you trust your own government, host it in your own country. If you believe your country will kill you somehow, host it in a third country.
To be fair, if you're dealing with law enforcement, the US typically has stronger due process and exhaustion requirements before a wiretaps, pen registers and intercepts are approved. I would arguably feel safer about hosting my email in the United States if I was not an American.
Administrative subpoena power is probably equal in scope between all Western democracies. Uncooperative jurisdictions don't really have reliable email hosting.
On the flipside, if you're a US surveillance target, I don't think it matters remotely where you host it, you're kinda screwed. FISA is a kangaroo court and they wouldn't need cooperation from service providers.
Depends on state
. USA lawyers manipulate that and sue you where judge is corrupt enough to bend to their will. Usually EU courts has higher quality for case to be pushed to a court. Of course almighty corruption is unavoidable.
Words of wisdom.
Any bedtime stories to tell ?
Funny to see this since I had to block tutanota emails like a year ago because nearly 100% of orders using them were used by people trying to host illegal shit.
Imagine a world where we could have nice things and people wouldn't ruin everything.
oops, I can't.
I feel bad for them.
looking for an alternative encrypted email provider since tuta will be monitor by German.
With encryption at rest, protonmail should be under this category. They run BF deal:
https://protonmail.com/blackfriday#plans
For real privacy enthusiasts there is extreme side: https://countermail.com/
their response in reddit
https://www.reddit.com/r/tutanota/comments/k3sfs5/in_englisch_court_forces_mail_provider_tutanota/ge4xywc/
I don't need a court decision to say that privacy does not exist, it simply does not. Simply accept it.
Actually it exist. Normal privacy, not hidding something illegal.
Russia now best place for email. Unlimited free backups.
Chill. The battle for privacy is fought relentlessly in the EU. Take GDPR (2018) requirements for an instance, perception of which is limited by annoying cookie notices in a browser for some. It's not life saver, but lot of data became private because of this.
In US, e.g, can't remember which state exactly, everyone can check what debts one had throughout many years.
If you want to hide from the government, that's another story. But to start with privacy protection generally it is enough to get rid of your Gmail account.
Neither is any other part of the world.
And you are telling me that there’s a country in this world, where corruption doesn’t exist?
Tldr; Privacy exists. When one is wanking off watching porn, there’s privacy. Government don’t care. When you are talking to your friend about life, government don’t care.
Otherwise there’s always someone, who can see your stuff. But your stuff has to be important enough for one to care about. For me, Reddit is more entertaining instead of watching a random persons internet traffic.
only things gov care are child porn, drugs, crime, money laundery, terrorism, and scams.
other than that: watching porn, trolling, your nudes, cat photos, your affair in office, your normal whatsapp conversation. they aint giving shit for loser like us lol.
but yeah, fuck data mining.
Sorry to told you that, in the another part of the world, we don’t actually have the freedom from fear.