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Apple šµ printers go brrrrrrr, Intel šµ printers go š¢
AMD is absolutely destroying Intel (fact).
Now today, Apple announced their first MacBook using ARM.
I'm gonna' buy it.
If you still have stonks in Intel abort mission asap.
The sauce:
https://9to5mac.com/2020/11/10/new-macbook-air-apple-silicon/
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I am not excited about this. Updating all apps, some older apps may not work, a few rounds of headaches and bugs, etc. I'm sure it makes more money for Apple but I'm skeptical of the consumer benefit.
You weren't supposed to find my alternative identity, Retardy McMemester, but yes it is slang.
One of the most immediate benefits I see is the lower power consumption.
You weren't supposed to find my alternative identity
Sir Foxy Retardy McMemester has quite a ring to it. You should make a coat of arms.
Before y'all get too excited... Apple is comparing their M1 chip against Intel CPUs from 2~3 generations ago, in older Apple devices. And for their 4K video tests they are using their own proprietary ProRes 422 codec which Intel doesn't have hardware acceleration for.
All their tests are carefully chosen to make their M1 chip look good, so I'm pretty skeptical of its bold performance claims. I'm sure it won't be slow, but probably won't be as magical as Apple claims it to be.
You can simply look up the Intel machines in the fine prints on EveryMac, but I've done the leg work for you:
brrrrrrr
So it begins..
The death of x86_64..
Iām skeptical many MacBook Airs are being used for ML workloads...
Lmao. No.
I have a new Mac Mini on order, arrives 25th, fully aware this is 1st gen and I will be upgrading again sooner rather than later but wanted to see the performance for myself and really understand how things will go in a post intel world.
I currently use Air for my daily tasks and it's more than enough for my workflow. If this actually outperforms my 2017 i5 air, I'd gladly buy one just because it can handle the battery much better.
I think their point is to be able to produce silicon that does the specific accelerations that will make the specific job they intend their hardware to be used for better than the competition ;-).
We will see when it ships.
In that case I hope they will show us how this M1 performs in cinrbench or handbrake against x64. Oh wait...
It's just cherrypicking nothing else.
I disagree. Had I been a graphic designer (yes, I'm cherrypicking this because Adobe said they will use the new chip capabilities) I would very much care how my Photoshop and Illustrator performs on the hardware I use. I don't need to care whether this is Intel or Apple, so long as my apps run faster on Apple I'd take apple if I can afford it, no? I most certainly wouldn't care how it benched against other, irrelevant for me, parameters.
They didn't market it as a server CPU, did they ?
I guess I worded myself a little wrong.
better than the competition
I meant that part. It's not better than the competition if the competition can't even run the said test cause insert company here uses some self made codecs etc.
It's basically AVX512 all over again. Intel is better cause AMD can't do it. Same scenario in this "benchmark". Although we'll not know before Adobe releases their stuff and then it's clear which arch will actually do the tasks quicker.
While it's clear that the M1 will be get the "per watt" performance crown or what not it's kinda misleading since and x64 will still do the task faster, with more W used.
It's just my personal opinion of course.
Also keep in mind that Nvidia now owns ARM and when Apple will start pissing on their parade anything can happen.
Quoting @Clouvider it's basically what you need. You don't buy a Xeon for gaming, for instance, you would buy a Ryzen or top spec gaming processor for that.
They made that chip to do somethings way better than others for sure, they target their market so they can sell way more confident on it. For sure video editors and perhaps foto editors would love to use their M1 chip if Adobe brings all the support for those.
And that doesn't mean you could do faster browsing benchmarks or cinebench benchmarks.
Also, from a Performance / Watt panorama, that would blow battery life numbers pretty sure. When you are on the move and having a Air that outperforms every other laptop in battery and performance in video editing, you would definitely buy it.
And atention, I'm not saying that it is a other worlds CPU, I'm just saying it is marketed for a niche. People know Apple does it quite right on that.
brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
For me 6 extra hours of battery is a huge advantage, I usually work in coffee shops or around my uni, I'm usually not at home so I rather not stay glued to an outlet.
Mac on arm sounds like a raspberry pi, or an.. Apple Pi...
Apple doesn't do server or enterprise stuff, they don't sell to other companies, and they sell single digit laptops and mini's compared to PC. They also like a fat margin so nothing will be "cheap".
But they control the OS and can do the necessary optimizations to make use of BIG.little. Their market is relatively small and will focus all on that segment alone. There's definitely benefit for the unplugged people, but what about 24/7 powered workstations that used to have Xeons with a shitload of cores and ran $50k fully loaded?
Problem is that Apple do the "professional" market. Check out all the studios running Mac for example.
What do you mean by "printers"? like, devices by Epson Canon etc.? or do you imply that AMD and Apple are somehow Brother in ARMs?
money printer go brrrrr
What a beautiful sound..
FWIW: I don't know or care about Apple products but I recently happened to come across some new (?) Apple processor ("A12" or something like that) that lead the field in terms of complexity and came close to AMD performance ("close" as in "not dimensionally behind or even on par with Zen2" iirc).
I guess we'll see that only with Risc-V, once it really takes off. Also I guess that quite a few Arm based servers (and the processors themselves) have been designed back when there was reason to fear that intel might push AMD aside or, in other words, because they didn't like to be depending on a monopoly - not because Arm is such a great architecture.
I think that Arm will stay for many years but the one sending x86 to rest (6 feet under ...) will be Risc-V.
There are now synthetic benchmark numbers for the M1 on Geekbench, and I have to say that I'm surprised (in a positive way): https://www.macrumors.com/2020/11/11/m1-macbook-air-first-benchmark/
It appears at least for Geekbench's synthetic benchmarks, M1's single-core performance isn't bad at all. Now I'm genuinely interested in how this can go...
They did once. Their Xserve kit was very nice for the time but itās been dead for more than a decade.