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Free speech VPS/KVN hosting for both right-wing and left-wing dissident content?

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  • jarjar Patron Provider, Top Host, Veteran
    edited November 2020

    If I'm correct off the top of my head, most people aren't going to see cloudflare as being responsible for BuyVM DDOS protection. They're not smart enough, if they were they'd have been sending complaints to upstream providers this whole time, probably even lobbying for their ISPs to drop Cogent, Level3, etc for allowing them to connect to "bad" sites. They're going to see BuyVM, and send complaints there accordingly. Aside from the port and service limitations of direct free CF service, that's a huge difference.

  • @apples2 said:

    @Francisco said:

    @apples2 said:

    @SirFoxy said:

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    @SirFoxy said:

    @Francisco said:

    @apples2 said:

    @Francisco said:

    @apples2 said: Well they gave the server IP that the provider already knew as confirmation, and there was no mention of a court order. So I dunno. The pages in question had absolutely nothing illegal on them.

    Now that the user has the name of the host they can go reach out and say 'this domain is being mean to me!', the host can then check their abuse email and likely find it.

    yea it was just Cloudflare itself that forwarded the abuse report along with the proxied IP, and not the user, allegedly. That wouldn't be associated with a court order I don't think. Especially as these were pages that just had generic misogyny and no calls for violence/rape etc

    CF forwards all complaints automatically. I've had more than a few where the person rolled their head over their keyboard in the complaint field.

    Francisco

    I think if you really want to be able to stand on your own without worrying about the upstream you'll have to look inwards for DDoS protection though. Anything controversial is going to need protection and using Cloudflare for it is a ticking time bomb.

    who uses CF upstream?

    Buyvm if you need DDoS protection, cogent if you don't.

    https://www.cloudflare.com/magic-transit/

    what's the reason for using CF upstream if cloudflare is already available for free + already hides IP addresses?
    im a dummy excuse my questions

    We use cloudflare magic transit which provides us ddos mitigation. It allows people to host any application they want instead of just web services.

    Francisco

    oh, I bought it in case I got bumped off cloudflare. Well I guess using your magic transit routed IPs wouldn't cause any additional overhead as compared to non-magic-transit IPs? I'm going to be using it with regular Cloudflare.

    that was my last question, sorry for all the questions

    You would probably get some very minor extra latency, probably 2-3ms max if anything at all.

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  • jarjar Patron Provider, Top Host, Veteran
    edited November 2020

    I think "relatively safe" is the best anyone can ask for right now. If we work from the theory that these US companies will continue to stretch further and further to silence people, I don't think we can look at any company in any place in the world and say "this company is definitely safe from any future escalation of these events."

    There are plenty of companies in countries that thrive on being neutral, but I don't think you can find many, if any, hosting related companies that do absolutely no business with any company that is owned, operated, or has a controlling stake by someone in the US. I mean, what if tomorrow a huge US company said to Supermicro and Dell "if you sell to this company we'll stop ordering from you." The possibilities for using economic harm as a tool for forcing censorship are far more extensive than most people like to think about.

    We hope it never escalates that far, but let's not kid ourselves about what "could" happen if we're talking about the theoretical on what that might be, where it hasn't yet. And that, I think, is my best case for why Fran is as safe of a bet as you can hope for in 2020.

    Random thought I know. Just the way my mind is working today. Thanks for coming to my TED talk.

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  • DataIdeas-JoshDataIdeas-Josh Member, Patron Provider

    @apples2 Personally I would go with @Francisco BuyVM. Considering the shit they have gone through and is still standing up with freaking fantastic support. Is saying something. Let alone bringing new things to the board.

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  • @jar said:
    I think "relatively safe" is the best anyone can ask for right now. If we work from the theory that these US companies will continue to stretch further and further to silence people, I don't think we can look at any company in any place in the world and say "this company is definitely safe from any future escalation of these events."

    There are plenty of companies in countries that thrive on being neutral, but I don't think you can find many, if any, hosting related companies that do absolutely no business with any company that is owned, operated, or has a controlling stake by someone in the US. I mean, what if tomorrow a huge US company said to Supermicro and Dell "if you sell to this company we'll stop ordering from you." The possibilities for using economic harm as a tool for forcing censorship are far more extensive than most people like to think about.

    We hope it never escalates that far, but let's not kid ourselves about what "could" happen if we're talking about the theoretical on what that might be, where it hasn't yet. And that, I think, is my best case for why Fran is as safe of a bet as you can hope for in 2020.

    Random thought I know. Just the way my mind is working today. Thanks for coming to my TED talk.

    As Mitt Romney once said, "corporations are people too, my friend". It's almost literally true. Free speech protects from government censorship and government compelled speech but in the private sector you're on your own.

    Economic harm goes both ways though. Why does Google launch multiple efforts to comply with Chinese state censorship to break into their market? Because censorship costs companies $$$ too. They're (mostly) not complete idiots and once it starts costing them real money they'll drop it eventually. When all else fails though, China and Russia are always options, not that they're at all for free speech but they censor completely different stuff and the result may end up being that all those Chinese porn sites end up getting hoested in the states and all of the controversial opinion sites in the US gets hosted in China. Cultural exchange at its finest.

  • @jar said:
    I mean, what if tomorrow a huge US company said to Supermicro and Dell "if you sell to this company we'll stop ordering from you." The possibilities for using economic harm as a tool for forcing censorship are far more extensive than most people like to think about.

    This is already illegal (Intel did it to AMD with PC makers and Apple to other phone makers) but hard to enforce. But that's not for free speech but monopoly abuse.

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  • oplinkoplink Member, Patron Provider

    Someone here mentioned "Cloudflare transit", is that what most VPS people here provide, and you as well? Thanks

    We don't use them for ddos protection. We use a local solution powered by Corero. It's onsite so we don't send our traffic over a GRE tunnel like companies who use CF magic Transit. We feel this is a better option since sending traffic offsite to get filtered does add latency. We also have there new equipment that does filtering up to 100Gbps.

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