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Any VPS services with managed IP anycast addresses?

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  • KrisKris Member

    Francisco said: To date I'm only aware of a single other provider that offers a 'shared anycast subnet' like us, and that's HostVirtual. Even HV's setup is "enterprise" expensive.

    You get what you pay for. They did it long before you guys, but when it comes to cheap anycast Fran's or Vultr is your go to it's not rocket science.

    Look right below Level 3, there's the network quality you're paying for: https://bgp.he.net/country/US

    The price is higher, but it's been engineered over years with CatchPoint and more traffic engineering has gone into that setup than any other provider I can think of. Setup for 5ms latency worldwide, if you have the pockets for all locations.

    For small stuff like Luxembourg and Las Vegas / cheap Anycast, BuyVM is great and was the first budget provider to come with it.

    I introduced it at Vultr soon after moving back to the east coast, I've heard it's quite polished now.

    When it comes to NICs, DNS providers, and billions of transactions per day with 5-10ms latency around the world, that setup fee might as well be pennies. Try getting into Sao Palo. NetActuate is the type of company that can get you on http://ix.br/ and low latency in Portugual without needing to go local.

    Don't work there anymore, but thought I might explain the different between Enterprise Anycast spanning 20+ locations (and multiple groups + IX's they have) and cheaper setups.

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  • @Kris said:

    Francisco said: To date I'm only aware of a single other provider that offers a 'shared anycast subnet' like us, and that's HostVirtual. Even HV's setup is "enterprise" expensive.

    You get what you pay for. They did it long before you guys, but when it comes to cheap anycast Fran's or Vultr is your go to it's not rocket science.

    Look right below Level 3, there's the network quality you're paying for: https://bgp.he.net/country/US

    The price is higher, but it's been engineered over years with CatchPoint and more traffic engineering has gone into that setup than any other provider I can think of. Setup for 5ms latency worldwide, if you have the pockets for all locations.

    For small stuff like Luxembourg and Las Vegas / cheap Anycast, BuyVM is great and was the first budget provider to come with it.

    I introduced it at Vultr soon after moving back to the east coast, I've heard it's quite polished now.

    When it comes to NICs, DNS providers, and billions of transactions per day with 5-10ms latency around the world, that setup fee might as well be pennies. Try getting into Sao Palo. NetActuate is the type of company that can get you on http://ix.br/ and low latency in Portugual without needing to go local.

    Don't work there anymore, but thought I might explain the different between Enterprise Anycast spanning 20+ locations (and multiple groups + IX's they have) and cheaper setups.

    Don't you need your own /24 to anycast on vultr?

  • KrisKris Member

    aveline said: BuyVM and Host Virtual do provide VM with shared anycast subnet. But as far as I know, if one VM goes down it won't route to another VM in a different location and they don't have a backbone for this.

    Wrong. That's what true Anycast is. If any one location goes, it routes to another.

    Also Host Virtual has numerous groups spanning different transit groups (think DNS Made Easy and their ns0 - ns4 setup)

    Host Virtual is enterprise level. I've personally sat there hours per day with CatchPoint reports working with network to engineer better routes just to shave 2-5ms off a route.

    CatchPoint is expensive, but if you want a true test of a Cell Phone's latency or home ISP, there's no beating it.

    They used to provide service to a few people here, but at this point unless you're an enterprise company - I doubt you have the money for what they provide.

  • FranciscoFrancisco Top Host, Host Rep, Veteran

    Kris said: You get what you pay for.

    Absolutely.

    We don't offer more anycast locations since we'd end up forcing current customers to buy more.

    I think the better option going forward would be for us to offer BGP sessions.

    Francisco

  • KrisKris Member

    sanvit said: Don't you need your own /24 to anycast on vultr?

    You need your own /24 to truly Anycast anyhwere as that's the minimum prefix you can push to global routing tables.

    I think with Fran's groups you need to buy at all 3 locations as they are pre-announced. It's slightly different and for 95% of use, better and easier especially for hobbyists learning. You can't beat the price either.

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  • avelineaveline Member, Patron Provider

    @Kris said:

    Francisco said: To date I'm only aware of a single other provider that offers a 'shared anycast subnet' like us, and that's HostVirtual. Even HV's setup is "enterprise" expensive.

    You get what you pay for. They did it long before you guys, but when it comes to cheap anycast Fran's or Vultr is your go to it's not rocket science.

    Look right below Level 3, there's the network quality you're paying for: https://bgp.he.net/country/US

    The price is higher, but it's been engineered over years with CatchPoint and more traffic engineering has gone into that setup than any other provider I can think of. Setup for 5ms latency worldwide, if you have the pockets for all locations.

    For small stuff like Luxembourg and Las Vegas / cheap Anycast, BuyVM is great and was the first budget provider to come with it.

    I introduced it at Vultr soon after moving back to the east coast, I've heard it's quite polished now.

    When it comes to NICs, DNS providers, and billions of transactions per day with 5-10ms latency around the world, that setup fee might as well be pennies. Try getting into Sao Palo. NetActuate is the type of company that can get you on http://ix.br/ and low latency in Portugual without needing to go local.

    Don't work there anymore, but thought I might explain the different between Enterprise Anycast spanning 20+ locations (and multiple groups + IX's they have) and cheaper setups.

    You can check our AnyCast IP: 188.244.98.0

    Not as expensive as NetActuate but the quality is still good.

  • FHRFHR Member, Host Rep

    Kris said: That's what true Anycast is. If any one location goes, it routes to another.

    You would think so. But the problem is that shared subnet means that it's not announced from your VPS/dedicated server.

    Which directly translates to a situation where the core router is up and announcing the prefix to the world, but the server handling the traffic goes down.

  • KrisKris Member

    FHR said: You would think so. But the problem is that shared subnet means that it's not announced from your VPS/dedicated server.

    I know. That's why I don't consider shared subnet / hardcoded locations true Anycast.

    Is it an anycast setup? Sure. Is it a proper Anycast setup in terms of failover and redundancy like? No, for exactly the reason @FHR mentioned. There's no local bird or quagga instance, so you could end up with traffic black holes should one instance go down.

    It's great for 95% of uses, understanding and learning networking, and cheap. When I was learning the basics I went around asking for BGP sessions, announcing LOAs, etc... A proper PITA for people who want to learn the basics. The value cannot be beat either, if I needed cheap and fast Anycast for something like DNS servers I'd probably scoot over to BuyVM... I can't afford NetActuate, and when you add DDoS protection to their Anycast offering + pricing, it truly cannot be beat.

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  • KrisKris Member

    aveline said: You can check our AnyCast IP: 188.244.98.0

    Not as expensive as NetActuate but the quality is still good.

    Pretty good, looks to favor Europe.

    https://pulse.turbobytes.com/results/5c8be861ecbe4001a80777f0/

    If you get something at 151 Front Street you could hop on TorIX and avoid Canada traffic flowing to Piscataway (Vultr)

    AU is hard, but the guys over at Vibe Communications PEER hard and were amazing to work with: https://devoli.com/ - They could set you up with something likely.

    Malaysia is lacking, but SG.GS has more locations and peering than you can imagine and can help expand your footprint: http://www.sg.gs/points-of-presence/

    Beyond those few points, looking like a great setup! Hope that helps

  • avelineaveline Member, Patron Provider
    edited March 2019

    @Kris said:

    aveline said: You can check our AnyCast IP: 188.244.98.0

    Not as expensive as NetActuate but the quality is still good.

    Pretty good, looks to favor Europe.

    https://pulse.turbobytes.com/results/5c8be861ecbe4001a80777f0/

    If you get something at 151 Front Street you could hop on TorIX and avoid Canada traffic flowing to Piscataway (Vultr)

    AU is hard, but the guys over at Vibe Communications PEER hard and were amazing to work with: https://devoli.com/ - They could set you up with something likely.

    Malaysia is lacking, but SG.GS has more locations and peering than you can imagine and can help expand your footprint: http://www.sg.gs/points-of-presence/

    Beyond those few points, looking like a great setup! Hope that helps

    Thanks, we're slowly expanding to other locations.

    Due to much higher cost in APAC, SG may not be optimized in the near future. SG.GS doesn't have BGP community for traffic engineering so we had to do the peering part by ourself.

    A 1Gbps port of Equinix Singapore cost ~1K USD / mo and it's much more expensive than any other location we have now.

  • Aulerion ran out of money and shut down. :expressionless:

    Any other alternatives?

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