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Does privacy by jurisdiction exist in 2019?

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  • eoleol Member

    @cipher said:

    @eol said:

    @cipher said:

    @Deepak_leb said:
    ๐Ÿคฃ privacy on internet ๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿคฃ๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿคฃ๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿคฃ๐Ÿ˜‚

    One can still be anonymous and you won't even know.

    Nope.

    Nope back! :wink:

    Lolwut.

  • edited January 2019

    @cipher said:

    @Clouvider said:

    @cipher said:

    @Deepak_leb said:
    ๐Ÿคฃ privacy on internet ๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿคฃ๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿคฃ๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿคฃ๐Ÿ˜‚

    One can still be anonymous and you won't even know.

    You're watching too many movies I guess.

    Just because I use your VPS for BBC doesn't mean I watch too many movies and even if I do, how do you know? You spying on me?

    I think he means you believe everything you see and hear in movies. Not that he's spying on you, watching tv or movies. Are you that ashamed of watching Corrie or East Enders?

  • @Clouvider said:

    @cipher said:

    @Deepak_leb said:
    ๐Ÿคฃ privacy on internet ๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿคฃ๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿคฃ๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿคฃ๐Ÿ˜‚

    One can still be anonymous and you won't even know.

    You're watching too many movies I guess.

    So let's bring this discussion to another level. If you can't be anonymous on the internet (yes, TECHNICALLY you can't, because YOUR PROVIDER knows where you connecting to, but thats it). If those connected IPs are bulletproof, even this information doesn't help anyone.

    How can you explain that there are so many "so called" bulletproof providers out there - some of them operating since years hosting crap like phising sites, disgusting porn (cp etc.), fraud etc.? Using stub ASNs, fastflux proxys to hide the real ips from those servers, hosted in countrys like Iran, operated by people with fake ids and can't be taken down anytime soon? Did you even read CISCO Umbrella presentations or other tech talks about how those people are operating and abusing IP Space/ASNs and can't be brought to justice? Just asking, because i'm interested in learning more about this topic.

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  • So how many layers of firewall are you on to confirm that you are totally anonymous?

    I still remember doing a simple hostmyidea google search yield its old account 02hosting even kids can do that yet I canโ€™t imagine those having government resources surely made it look easy...

  • deankdeank Member, Troll

    Imagine a busy street. People are busily moving about. The only unusual aspect of this busy street is a fair of policemen who casually inspect bypassers.

    Then one dude appears who has his head wrapped in black clothes with a hoodie covering his head. He is also wearing sunglasses. Suspicious as hell but he has his reasons. He wants to protect his privacy by not exposing his facial features.

    But to the police, the dude looks like a terrorist carrying a bomb. A body search is performed on the dude.

    Only if he chose to blend in. Blending in is the best camouflage. Even animals do that.

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  • ClouviderClouvider Member, Patron Provider

    @drivex said:

    @Clouvider said:

    @cipher said:

    @Deepak_leb said:
    ๐Ÿคฃ privacy on internet ๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿคฃ๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿคฃ๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿคฃ๐Ÿ˜‚

    One can still be anonymous and you won't even know.

    You're watching too many movies I guess.

    So let's bring this discussion to another level. If you can't be anonymous on the internet (yes, TECHNICALLY you can't, because YOUR PROVIDER knows where you connecting to, but thats it).

    This sufficient if you're enough of a target to find you. Question is whether you're worth spending resources, be it financial or political on tracing.

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  • @deank said:
    A body search is performed on the dude.

    Nice imagination. What if the policemen is gay and end up making out in a corner right after the body search?

  • deankdeank Member, Troll

    Then more drama and the media would love it.

    We all want more drama in one way or another as long as it doesn't harm you.

  • @cipher said:

    @Deepak_leb said:
    ๐Ÿคฃ privacy on internet ๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿคฃ๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿคฃ๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿคฃ๐Ÿ˜‚

    One can still be anonymous and you won't even know.

    Epic commentary ๐Ÿคฃ๐Ÿคฃ๐Ÿคฃ

  • jarjar Patron Provider, Top Host, Veteran

    cipher said: Is there any truth whatsoever in privacy by jurisdiction?

    Even if there is, it's temporary at best. I would not place a bet on the stability of a particular political ideology or law in any country. I would not place a bet on any country's bargaining chips that keep them safe from being overrun.

    The degree to which your data is safe by location alone directly correlates with how much your neighbors piss off powerful people, and you have no control over your neighbors. Had Snowden hosted his email in one of these "safe" countries instead of inside the US, would that "safe" country have been "safe" for very long after the CIA and the US military had taken up the task? Who knows. Maybe. Maybe not.

    The point is, if you want assurances of data safety, you're flipping a coin the moment you let it leave your house. You're flipping that same coin every day it exists outside of your house. You don't know what tomorrow brings.

    Your data is only as safe as it's protection, and the only protection you can guarantee is the amount you can provide for yourself. So pick one:

    1. Don't have data that gets you in trouble.
    2. Understand the consequences of being caught, and accept that the risk is worth it to you.
    3. Don't store your data remotely.
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  • Im about to start an online store and sell tin foil hats. Seems like business will be blooming.

  • @t0ny0 said:
    Im about to start an online store and sell tin foil hats. Seems like business will be blooming.

    I hope you accept Bitcoin.

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  • And alipay :-)

  • eoleol Member

    Placeholder.

  • @sudoranger said:

    @deank said:
    A body search is performed on the dude.

    Nice imagination. What if the policemen is gay and end up making out in a corner right after the body search?

    That's what the battons are for.
    Teaching people the meaning of true unconditional love.
    It's just a preparation for jail, where they go in more details regarding that subject.

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  • eoleol Member

    @Janevski said:
    Teaching people the meaning of true unconditional love.
    It's just a preparation for jail, where they go in more details regarding that subject.

    Unconditional love through the backdoor (to stay on topic).

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  • @eol said:

    @Janevski said:
    Teaching people the meaning of true unconditional love.
    It's just a preparation for jail, where they go in more details regarding that subject.

    Unconditional love through the backdoor (to stay on topic).

    But enough about Tonka Saws' future.

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  • subjugatingsubjugating Banned, Member

    shallownorthdakota said: I think he means you believe everything you see and hear in movies

    I might sound dumb. But dumb people are wasting time on Twitter/FB/Tinder instead of posting good discussions on LET, right?

  • deankdeank Member, Troll
    edited January 2019

    Twitter is a cespool of one sided nonstop pitchfork mob outrage. It rewards and encourages negative impulsivity.๏ปฟ

    • Louis Rossmann, 2019
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  • @deank said:
    Twitter is a cespool of one sided nonstop pitchfork mob outrage. It rewards and encourages negative impulsivity.๏ปฟ

    • Louis Rossmann, 2019

    Ain't that the guy who buys cheap Chinese knockoffs and bitches about his rent?

  • deankdeank Member, Troll

    And has constant PMS while repairing macbooks, aye.

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  • DrvDrv Member

    @t0ny0 said:
    Im about to start an online store and sell tin foil hats. Seems like business will be blooming.

    Please don't do that, you are going to amplify the signal. Lol.

  • mfsmfs Banned, Member

    cipher said:

    Renting a VPS in Iceland, Switzerland, Norway, Germany or elsewhere makes a service and our data more private by default?

    Switzerland has been recurrently addressed on these pages. EEA/EU provisions (including the GDPR) generally apply to protect EU citizens and/or residents and/or individuals with at least a territorial connection with the EU. So, since you're not exactly European, your "more private by default" (assuming that's the case, and I'm not saying it's the case) would mostly come from the providers' habits.

    Eventually, as quite often happens, provider's professionalism > jurisdiction; you can have a theoretical feel-good legal framework but bad IT practices. Data breaches are recurring and too often we discover (when it's too late) that sensitive data was stored as plaintext on a Post-itยฎ note even if $random_business claimed to be PCI/DSS compliant. Legal remedies won't ultimately undo the leak.

    Here I'm considering "privacy" as "property/access/usage rights over your own data, at least over the most sensitive portions of it" (like gender, political preferences, health issues, historical bank records, undisclosed sexual behaviour and so on). I'm not considering privacy as a synonymous of a real "right to be anonymous over the internet", simply because such a right doesn't quite exist; and no legal framework I'm aware of grants such a right, even less if you're a foreigner. State actors will always have the chance to harvest data/metadata, justified by generally acceptable legal reasons.

    "Privacy" shouldn't be the word to designate some wrongdoer's protection good luck with your Court order-resistant jurisdiction as much as it shouldn't be mixed with

    cipher said: key disclosure law

    imho.

    TL;DR You'll always have to trust some individual (and not a law book) with your data

    P.S.

    cipher said: But dumb people are wasting time on Twitter/FB/Tinder instead of posting good discussions on LET, right?

    Chances are that people chatting on Tinder are having cleverer discussions than some we too often witness on LET

  • from a technical point of view anonymity is with Tor and other tools possible, but you deanonymise yourself with the stuff you are doing most of the time.
    The style of writing, using rare phrases, changing the window size of the Tor browser, having javascript on, running software on a device with backdoor and so on.

  • WilliamWilliam Member
    edited January 2019

    If you knew what you need/what you do you would know who to contact, pay an appropriate price and get exactly a tailor made service.

    Legality is just a question of money and how good you can hide.

    If you need to ask you will fail.

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