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@Falzo of course! Shall I leave it running (eta 48m:02s]) or just ctrl+c after some time?
https://www.netcup.de/bestellen/produkt.php?produkt=2204
This is impressive too. I wonder how its cpu availability (they are non-dedicated cores) compares with the dedicated core version.
nevermind....
It seems you live outside of EU that means you pay 19% less (german vat)
8,39*1,19 ~ 9,99
@thanhdang
the ~8€ is one time fee. The 11+ is per month
I thought they charge the german vat to everyone. How do you get out of it if you're outside EU? This has come up a few times before.
It's true @Falzo?
They gave me 25.21 Euro coupon instead of 30 Euro
Yea confusing.
They actually wrote, that they grant the order a 30EUR credit, but not that they match it if its lower.
How much did you pay for a new domain registration? They charged me 4.20EUR for each domain
hey sorry, just read that now, of course like a minute or so should be enough...
as far as I know they may ask you to verify as a business client if you're outside of EU to get VAT exempted. if you can't or won't do that it is said, that they charge you 19% VAT even if outside EU anyways...
Use a VPN?
I hadn't even heard there was an exemption for business clients, but either way I wonder what the issue is. Other EU hosts manage to handle not charging VAT to non-EU clients. I guess Netcup historically hasn't tried to sell much outside of the EU. I don't know if that has really changed. If it has, then I hope they can fix this discrepancy since besides the extra costs, it comes across as disorganized.
Well you have a few hours of it ;-)
Hope that helps!
Unixbench returned a result of 3066 benchmark points, I actually expected a bit more for 4 dedicated cores, around somewhat 4k.
Decent with 24GB memory, could allocate everything, I/O is fast, network is fast...
The current i3 at Kimsufi reaches 4k, so yea.
As long Kimsufi has no deals, this may be a better option atm.
Whether or not it comes across as "disorganized", nothing has changed in netcup's practice: non-EU private clients pay German VAT, whereas non-EU business clients can apply (with the necessary docs) for VAT exemption.
The only slightly confusing thing is that in the case of a new non-EU client, netcup initially assumes that the client is a business client (not private), and so German VAT is initially deducted, but this assumption is then cancelled if the client turns out to be a private client.
In any case, this topic of netcup & VAT has been hashed out more than once in earlier threads.
Hetzner auction might be another alternative: i7-3770 at 20.17 euro exvat (19.32 euro if you snipe the auction) should be almost 2x as fast as the Kimsufi i3, plus has 16gb ram and 2x 3TB SATA hdd's. It's older hardware but mine is working fine. My main gripe about it is the non-ECC ram. Note that since they got rid of the flexipack charge, you can now add SSD or more HDD's at quite reasonable costs if you want that.
thanks a lot!!
I know it's just SAS, but still... ~ 360/360 iops in a 50/50 random rw test with 4k blocksize isn't that much. I'd expected their raid arrays to be bigger and therefore give higher numbers, but can't remember if it changed only lately or has always been like that. maybe they implemented some IO limit to help with balancing too.
My 1.6TB SAS (RAID10) netcup server is running pretty good.
Well, if you just need 16gig, that's fine, if you need 24GB you will pay at least 27EUR.
The CPU is actually weaker with 5.8k bench instead 9k.
Its just another option, hetzner destroys everything in all terms.
I don't think so. Netcup do give dedicated cores, but mean thread. So, you actually get 2 full dedicated cores, aka, 4 threads. Gold 6140 have 18 cores and passmark gives a benchmark of 23964. So, 23964 /18 = 1331,3 * 2 + 2662,6 (in theory).
So, I guess, a ~3000 benchmark is rather good for 2 cores, especially for the price when you can max it 24/7 and have 24 whole gigs of ram and a really impressive dd i/o results!
I have r1000 and I am impressed for the price, I just bought this, also, to replace the rs1000 !
You know what I am talking about
That's with VAT though, and i7-3770. Without VAT, i7-2600 with 32GB is 21.85 EUR and i7-3770 is 22.69 EUR.
I've always felt skeptical of very powerful monthly VPS like the higher end Netcup rootservers (this RS-2000 is not quite high end). If I want a lot of long term dedicated resources I probably prefer bare metal. For shorter term, hourly billing is a big plus. I've run some several-hour cpu-intensive tasks on 8 core 32gb Hetzner cloud servers and really gotten the full 8 cores of cpu performance during the run, though I don't know if that would have been sustained over longer periods than a few hours.
You're right, it always depend on the needs. But have to mention that in those cheap hetzner servers (dont see me bad here, I myself have 2 of them) do not have RAID arrays on those prices and the dd i/o for sas disks is nowhere near netcup's performance. On teh other hand, hetzner vps is also really good, but it is much more pricey than netcups and without dedi cores...
No, read what I said, the 24GB costs at least 27EUR + VAT, it even has a weaker cpu.
I was not speaking of the cheaper ones with 16GB.
I'm looking at https://robot.your-server.de/order/market/country/US?ram=24 right now and I see 32GB servers at the prices that I mentioned. In fact there are even i7-4770 at that price (2TB disks instead of 3TB), and E3-1246v3 at 22.69 EUR (2TB disks, no ECC). There are also 24GB servers that cost more than the 32GB ones (and have slower cpus too) but that doesn't seem cost effective.
Oh yea, hetzners pricing, did missed that.
I don't think it works quite like that though. If the CPU is underutilized, each thread can get all the cycles of an entire core. So the 4 threads can get you anywhere between 2 and 4 full cores of performance, depending on what other people are doing on the hardware. So if your benchmark shows the equivalent of 2 cores, that means the CPU is quite loaded, which is acceptable under the offer terms but less than what one might hope for.
On most hosts I have found that you really do get close to a full core per thread, at least for short-to-medium periods (my ~3 hour 8-core test on Hetzner mentioned above). But there's some indications that Hetzner will throttle long term cpu hogs, unlike these dedicated core plans. With DO it's something of a matter of luck.
It would be great if Netcup offered hourly billing for these dedicated core (thread) plans, even if it cost say 2x as much per hour as the monthly rate. OVH dedicated core public cloud plans are far more expensive than that, even at the monthly rate (hourly is 1.5x higher iirc).
Hmm interesting, they must be overallocating iops in that case, which is probably ok to an extent. Anyway I've never felt constrained by raw disk i/o (especially sequential) on these servers. It's always been about cpu and network speed. There are some applications where I'd want more IOPS, but that really wants an SSD rather than faster HDD's.
I agree it's somewhat apples and oranges: the Hetzner auction servers are old clunky hardware by today's standards and I'd have reservations about running live production workloads on them. For batch CPU tasks they are great.