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GDPR Mail Hosting - Alternatives to MXRoute.com?

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  • donlidonli Member

    @Zerpy said:

    It has to be handled on a case by case basis - if a company 100% blindly ignores GDPR and doesn't care at all, despite they're required to comply - then sure, fine them due to their ignorance - but if someone actually tried to comply, but forgot a minor thing - then lift a finger, fix it and move on.

    Can users of a provider that didn't comply sue?

  • ZerpyZerpy Member

    @donli said:

    @Zerpy said:

    It has to be handled on a case by case basis - if a company 100% blindly ignores GDPR and doesn't care at all, despite they're required to comply - then sure, fine them due to their ignorance - but if someone actually tried to comply, but forgot a minor thing - then lift a finger, fix it and move on.

    Can users of a provider that didn't comply sue?

    At least they can report the provider to the local government - if they can sue.. probably?

    As a user, I'd rather go for compliant providers and not waste time on the non-complying ones.

  • I have a couple of clients in the EU that I host email for. I will never be GDPR compliant. The cost of compliance vs the pricing of services like email will mean something has to give. Most likely it will mean that EU customers will have to pay significantly more for services than those that do not have to abide by these regulations.

  • AnthonySmithAnthonySmith Member, Patron Provider
    edited April 2018

    My perspective is, I don't understand why hosts are concerned about this, it is simple to be compliant, maybe takes a day of work especially if your practices were already within common DP regulations from any 1st world country.

    I am sure there will be an influx of people with an inflated sense of self importance trying to poke hosts just because being annoying is fun to them when the time comes, but that will die back pretty quick.

  • dynamodynamo Member
    edited April 2018

    @AnthonySmith said: I am sure there will be an influx of people with an inflated sense of self importance trying to poke hosts just because being annoying is fun to them when the time comes, but that will die back pretty quick.

    For most part I was wondering what the heck is changing with this GDPR and what made EU create it. Your statement above gave me some insight on why it might be needed. If a privacy conscious & aware customer is questioning his host about whether they are/will be compliant with the law of the land, its not his inflated sense of self importance.

  • AnthonySmithAnthonySmith Member, Patron Provider

    dynamo said: For most part I was wondering what the heck is changing with this GDPR and what made EU create it.

    All the documents are available, it makes sense, I understand it and I understand why it is required.

    dynamo said: If a privacy conscious & aware customer is questioning his host about whether they are/will be compliant with the law of the land, its not his inflated sense of self importance.

    Absolutely agree, however that does not mean I don't also think there will be an influx of people who don't really care about anything except creating a headache because they can.

    The 2 groups of people described can exist at the same time.

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  • @AnthonySmith said:

    @charlie said:
    Hello,

    Because we are a company in EU, we are (and will) met with GDPR requirements.

    I just took a look at your site, your not even remotely complaint.

    Are you handing out free reviews and legal advice? You're hired.

  • AnthonySmithAnthonySmith Member, Patron Provider

    Hoost said: Are you handing out free reviews and legal advice? You're hired.

    No, I am just pointing out the bleeding obvious.

  • @AnthonySmith said:

    Hoost said: Are you handing out free reviews and legal advice? You're hired.

    No, I am just pointing out the bleeding obvious.

    To be honest, I thought this was c'est pit. You're still hired.

    A post you made (perhaps private) actually gave some good detail on how hosts should be adapting. I took some pointers during my research.

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  • deankdeank Member, Troll

    Sooner or later, EU is going to require each website to have a license. 25 euro per license, what a way to get some money.

  • FranciscoFrancisco Top Host, Host Rep, Veteran

    @deank said:
    Sooner or later, EU is going to require each website to have a license. 25 euro per license, what a way to get some money.

    The UK will be 50 for ones in colour.

    Francisco

  • AnthonySmithAnthonySmith Member, Patron Provider

    Francisco said: The UK will be 50 for ones in colour.

    Francisco

    They will also make the license a legal requirement that comes with a heavy fine if you done have one, then they will not bother actually regulating it due to costs.

  • deankdeank Member, Troll

    If that really happens, someone will come by and proclaim, "The end is nigh."

  • So back to the original question

    nqservices said: Alternatives to MXRoute.com?

  • charliecharlie Member, Host Rep

    @AnthonySmith said:

    @charlie said:
    Hello,

    Because we are a company in EU, we are (and will) met with GDPR requirements.

    I just took a look at your site, your not even remotely complaint.

    GDPR will be in effect from May 25. Not now.

  • lionlion Member
    edited April 2018

    @charlie said:
    GDPR will be in effect from May 25. Not now.

    we are

  • YokedEggYokedEgg Member
    edited April 2018

    @lion said:

    @charlie said:
    GDPR will be in effect from May 25. Not now.

    we are

    -> We are

  • deankdeank Member, Troll

    We are

  • AnthonySmithAnthonySmith Member, Patron Provider

    charlie said: GDPR will be in effect from May 25. Not now.

    Yeah but you said you are compliment now, you even quoted me quoting you saying that.

  • @solarman said:
    So back to the original question

    nqservices said: Alternatives to MXRoute.com?

    Hetzner is GDPR compliant and offering mail services with their web offering, i dont have experience with that product line.

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  • @deank said:
    We are

    LET...$7 resistance is futile.

  • WebProjectWebProject Host Rep, Veteran

    If MXRoute is US based company they more likely should be Privacy Shield compliant and therefore don’t required to be GDPR compliant.

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  • NekkiNekki Veteran

    WebProject said: If MXRoute is US based company they more likely should be Privacy Shield compliant and therefore don’t required to be GDPR compliant.

    MXRoute aren't 'required' to be compliant with GDPR, but Privacy Shield compliance isn't a substitute for GDPR compliance.

  • WebProjectWebProject Host Rep, Veteran

    @Nekki said:

    WebProject said: If MXRoute is US based company they more likely should be Privacy Shield compliant and therefore don’t required to be GDPR compliant.

    MXRoute aren't 'required' to be compliant with GDPR, but Privacy Shield compliance isn't a substitute for GDPR compliance.

    What I have read today about GDPR compliants, if they wish to trade in EU:
    US-based data processors should be Privacy Shield compliant. If the third party is not yet compliant with GDPR or Privacy Shield contact them and find out if and when they plan on becoming compliant. In the unlikely situation where a third party data processor is not compliant and has no plans to become compliant by the 25th May 2018 deadline, you should seek to replace them with a similar but compliant provider. In this situation you should also ask the current provider for a copy of the data that they hold for you and then insist that they securely delete your data from all of their digital systems including backups.

  • NekkiNekki Veteran

    WebProject said: What I have read today about GDPR compliants, if they wish to trade in EU: US-based data processors should be Privacy Shield compliant.

    The rest of what you're written isn't relevant.

    Basically, what you've read is wrong - Privacy Shield is a framework for EU-US data transmission. That's not even close to what GDPR is.

  • jiggawattjiggawatt Member
    edited April 2018

    Nekki said: MXRoute aren't 'required' to be compliant with GDPR

    Why do you say this? MXroute has assets in the European Union on which they host customer data of Europeans, among others.

    Nekki said: Basically, what you've read is wrong - Privacy Shield is a framework for EU-US data transmission. That's not even close to what GDPR is.

    Organizations participating in Privacy Shield self-certify to the U.S. Department of Commerce that they will follow the Privacy Shield guidelines. Participation is optional, but if they do participate and then break the rules, they can be litigated under the FTC Act.

    Privacy Shield commitment is going to be essential for any U.S. organizations wanting to do business in Europe.

  • emghemgh Member

    I'll hijack the thread for a second, what about Buyshared and GDPR? What is there to look for when figuring out if another company, in this example BuyShared, is following the regulations?

  • WebProjectWebProject Host Rep, Veteran

    @emgh said:
    I'll hijack the thread for a second, what about Buyshared and GDPR? What is there to look for when figuring out if another company, in this example BuyShared, is following the regulations?

    As they do Luxembourg server node location, I do believe they will be required to be GDPR or Privacy Shield.

  • FranciscoFrancisco Top Host, Host Rep, Veteran

    emgh said: I'll hijack the thread for a second, what about Buyshared and GDPR? What is there to look for when figuring out if another company, in this example BuyShared, is following the regulations?

    I'll have to dig through and see what else is needed, but at least most of the customer data stuff is handled by WHMCS 7.5

    Francisco

  • NekkiNekki Veteran

    @jiggawattz said:

    Nekki said: MXRoute aren't 'required' to be compliant with GDPR

    Why do you say this? MXroute has assets in the European Union on which they host customer data of Europeans, among others.

    This is where things get fun. If you read the Territorial Scope section, there’s a line that refers to marketing to the EU. You could easily argue that MXRoute do not do so. EU citizens may well have signed for the service, but if they weren’t marketed to directly, it fails out of scope. Simply offering a service that’s attractive to EU citizens is not the same as marketing to them,

    Nekki said: Basically, what you've read is wrong - Privacy Shield is a framework for EU-US data transmission. That's not even close to what GDPR is.

    Organizations participating in Privacy Shield self-certify to the U.S. Department of Commerce that they will follow the Privacy Shield guidelines. Participation is optional, but if they do participate and then break the rules, they can be litigated under the FTC Act.

    Privacy Shield commitment is going to be essential for any U.S. organizations wanting to do business in Europe.

    Definitely, as it will be essential for an EU company wanting to hold data in the US. It complements GDPR, but its not an either/or situation.

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