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SSD Shared Hosting ?

So, some of the hoster provide SSD Shared Hosting. Is the speed difference is noticeable ?

I believe the provider will throttle the SSD Speed to prevent abuse. Hence my next questions. Which one is better, HDD VPS or SSD Shared Hosting ? in terms of disk read/write speed.

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  • MikeAMikeA Member, Patron Provider
    edited December 2017

    In almost all cases it is limited by CloudLinux but it'll still allow the host to put many more accounts on a server. (plus everyone has different CF disk limits)

  • IonSwitch_StanIonSwitch_Stan Member, Host Rep

    Have you considered a SSD VPS?

  • FAT32FAT32 Administrator, Deal Compiler Extraordinaire

    Every host limits the IO to a certain level, I would say the main performance boost is on the seek time (Which increase response time during loads)

    Thanked by 1MikeA
  • @IonSwitch_Stan said:
    Have you considered a SSD VPS?

    Because you offer SSD VPS? Come on, this is not WHT. Either apply for a provider tag or keep your sig flashing out.

    Thanked by 1hostdare
  • @MikeA said:
    In almost all cases it is limited by CloudLinux but it'll still allow the host to put many more accounts on a server. (plus everyone has different CF disk limits)

    So, what's the point of having SSD Shared Hosting if the speed is just the same with HDD Shared Hosting. From this point of view the advantage is for the provider. It can oversold his service more.

  • MikeAMikeA Member, Patron Provider

    @yokowasis said:

    @MikeA said:
    In almost all cases it is limited by CloudLinux but it'll still allow the host to put many more accounts on a server. (plus everyone has different CF disk limits)

    So, what's the point of having SSD Shared Hosting if the speed is just the same with HDD Shared Hosting. From this point of view the advantage is for the provider. It can oversold his service more.

    I can't list all of the things, I'm not that big into shared web hosting, and my only shared server uses HDDs (the only thing I sell that doesn't use SSDs). I never have a problem with CloudLinux and LiteSpeed.

  • lkjllkjl Member
    edited December 2017

    Shared hosting: I've always noticed a positive difference when a host moved to SSD. With some hosts the speed improved by 25% and with others over 100%.
    I'm currently using ramnode, they're good. They were better when I first signed up, their CPU load wasn't maxed out then. Now it seems like the CPU load of the shared hosting server I'm on is always maxed out.

    Which one is better, HDD VPS or SSD Shared Hosting ? in terms of disk read/write speed.

    VPS: Best disk read/write I've experienced (not just read about) was with @VMHaus' NVMe storage.

    Thanked by 1vmhaus
  • MikeAMikeA Member, Patron Provider

    @lkjl said:

    Which one is better, HDD VPS or SSD Shared Hosting ? in terms of disk read/write speed.

    Best disk read/write I've experienced (not just read about) was with @VMHaus' NVMe storage.

    When did he start offering shared hosting?

  • For a production will go for a vps. For a hobby website go for shared hosting.

  • yokowasisyokowasis Member
    edited December 2017

    @lkjl said:
    Shared hosting: I've always noticed a positive difference when a host moved to SSD. With some hosts the speed improved by 25% and with others over 100%.
    I'm currently using ramnode, they're good. They were better when I first signed up, their CPU load wasn't maxed out then. Now it seems like the CPU load of the shared hosting server I'm on is always maxed out.

    Which one is better, HDD VPS or SSD Shared Hosting ? in terms of disk read/write speed.

    Best disk read/write I've experienced (not just read about) was with @VMHaus' NVMe storage.

    I am not talking about VPS. I am talking about shared hosting.

    I just want to know is the so called SSD Shared Hosting is Real or just a marketing Gimmick. Since the cloudlinux / the provider will just limit the Read/Write speed of the disk anyway.

  • vovlervovler Member
    edited December 2017

    @yokowasis said:

    I am not talking about VPS. I am talking about shared hosting.

    I just want to know is the so called SSD Shared Hosting is Real or just a marketing Gimmick. Since the cloudlinux / the provider will just limit the Read/Write speed of the disk anyway.

    Seek time, as a HDD requires to physically move to get to the data you request, and if a HDD gets many requests , you will be waiting in a queue. SSDs seek time is much lower, allowing them to offer greater IOPS. The limits, are just that, limits, the resources are not guaranteed.

    IO limit on SSD Hosts is usually much higher than HDD ones. (if your shared hosting provider isn't a complete idiot)

    You can find here the limits that CloudLinux suggested to be used on one of their webinar : https://image.slidesharecdn.com/optimizingcloudlinuxoslimits-160609162843/95/how-to-optimize-cloudlinux-os-limits-11-638.jpg?cb=1465489801

    In an oversold SSD shared environment, you would more likely to run out of network capabilities or CPU rather IO/IOPS on a SSD drive.

    In SSD shared hosting, the SSD is hardly the bottleneck.

    In HDD shared hosting, the HDD is most likely the bottleneck, that is why some HDD shared hostings are running behind varnish cache and such.

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  • Sorry I was mentioning VPS over there. Corrected.

    @MikeA said:

    @lkjl said:

    Which one is better, HDD VPS or SSD Shared Hosting ? in terms of disk read/write speed.

    Best disk read/write I've experienced (not just read about) was with @VMHaus' NVMe storage.

    When did he start offering shared hosting?

  • ChalipaChalipa Member
    edited December 2017

    @lkjl said:
    Shared hosting: I've always noticed a positive difference when a host moved to SSD. With some hosts the speed improved by 25% and with others over 100%.
    I'm currently using ramnode, they're good. They were better when I first signed up, their CPU load wasn't maxed out then. Now it seems like the CPU load of the shared hosting server I'm on is always maxed out.

    ramnode shared server (NL2) has been pretty good when it comes to load, but recently it has been high... i don't know if they have oversold it to MAX. @Nick_A maybe should check this once...

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  • Its different.
    if you want to try, find host with the same IO specs in HDD and SSD. then you can compare.

  • @Chalipa said:

    @lkjl said:
    Shared hosting: I've always noticed a positive difference when a host moved to SSD. With some hosts the speed improved by 25% and with others over 100%.
    I'm currently using ramnode, they're good. They were better when I first signed up, their CPU load wasn't maxed out then. Now it seems like the CPU load of the shared hosting server I'm on is always maxed out.

    ramnode shared server (NL2) has been pretty good when it comes to load, but recently it has been high... i don't know if they have oversold it to MAX. @Nick_A maybe should check this once...

    I've also experienced the higher loads at ramnode shared. Although there is no impact yet I hope everything will get sorted :P

  • vmhausvmhaus Member, Top Host, Host Rep

    Maybe we should start offering NVMe Shared? :D

  • Nick_ANick_A Member, Top Host, Host Rep

    @Chalipa said:

    @lkjl said:
    Shared hosting: I've always noticed a positive difference when a host moved to SSD. With some hosts the speed improved by 25% and with others over 100%.
    I'm currently using ramnode, they're good. They were better when I first signed up, their CPU load wasn't maxed out then. Now it seems like the CPU load of the shared hosting server I'm on is always maxed out.

    ramnode shared server (NL2) has been pretty good when it comes to load, but recently it has been high... i don't know if they have oversold it to MAX. @Nick_A maybe should check this once...

    Please open a ticket with what you're seeing and we'll take a look. Nothing should be close to max load.

  • @vmhaus said:
    Maybe we should start offering NVMe Shared? :D

    Not before adding the US West location to your VPS services!

    Thanked by 1vmhaus
  • from hosting / hoster level, yes there would be large performance boost, but only when loading file and db.

    from visitor level is very small, because depend on too much variable. prefer to use CDN if concern in this issue.

    the conclusion is ssd always better than hdd. if you can afford ssd, go for it.

  • vmhausvmhaus Member, Top Host, Host Rep
    edited December 2017

    @Mozilla said:

    @vmhaus said:
    Maybe we should start offering NVMe Shared? :D

    Not before adding the US West location to your VPS services!

    Check back next week! We are in the midst of configuring our core routers and nodes in US ;)

    Thanked by 1Mozilla
  • FAT32FAT32 Administrator, Deal Compiler Extraordinaire
    edited December 2017

    @vmhaus said:

    Check back next week! We are in the midst of configuring our core routers and nodes in US ;)

    How about Asia (SG/MY) NVMe? :)

  • PeachBlossomPeachBlossom Member
    edited December 2017

    @lkjl said:
    Shared hosting: I've always noticed a positive difference when a host moved to SSD. With some hosts the speed improved by 25% and with others over 100%.
    I'm currently using ramnode, they're good. They were better when I first signed up, their CPU load wasn't maxed out then. Now it seems like the CPU load of the shared hosting server I'm on is always maxed out.

    I have a shared hosting plan with ramnode, and the server I'm on ( atlshared3 ) averages around 0.5-1. I'd assume it's because the server is new / doesn't have a lot of customers on it. ( yet? )

    @vmhaus said:
    Maybe we should start offering NVMe Shared? :D

    @vmhaus I'd be interested if it was located in US West. :D

  • FaiziFaizi Member
    edited December 2017

    @FAT32 said:

    @vmhaus said:

    Check back next week! We are in the midst of configuring our core routers and nodes in US ;)

    How about Asia (SG/MY) NVMe? :)

    @vmhaus, this ^.

    @yokowasis, even if the IOPS are the same(limited), the seek time, latency and throughput between SSD and HDD are like night and day.

  • Ok, thanks for all of your information. I know what to do know.

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