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FinFisher government spy tool found hiding as WhatsApp and Skype
Malware used by intelligence agencies spotted in 7 countries, experts said.

FinFisher is sold to global governments and intelligence agencies and can be used to snoop on webcam feeds, keystrokes, microphones and web browsing. Documents, previously published by WikiLeaks, indicate that one tool called "FinFly ISP" may be linked to the case.ibtimes.co.uk/are-you-being-watched-finfisher-government-spy-tool-found-hiding-whatsapp-skype-1640263

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  • well , be honest , I don't really mind be monitored as I am not worth the effort if my (or better yet , foreign ) government wants, beside I am not planing to hijack a plane or driver a van to smash people.

    Thanked by 1dedipromo
  • stefemanstefeman Member
    edited September 2017

    ISP hijacking? Another reason to use self hosted VPN.

    Thanked by 1rm_
  • @stefeman said:
    ISP hijacking? Another reason to use self hosted VPN.

    I felt that greatly reduce your speed .... even you got a really decent VPN.

  • I taped my webcam on my laptop, so no one can watch me fapping

  • I removed the tape from @quick 's webcam so I can watch him fapping.

  • Pfft, you only need to worry about FinFisher if you live in either Australia, Austria, Bahrain, Bangladesh, Britain, Brunei, Bulgaria, Canada, the Czech Republic, Estonia, Ethiopia, Finland, Germany, Hungary, India, Indonesia, Japan, Latvia, Lithuania, Macedonia, Malaysia, Mexico, Mongolia, Netherlands, Nigeria, Pakistan, Panama, Qatar, Romania, Serbia, Singapore, South Africa, Turkey, Turkmenistan, the United Arab Emirates, the United States, Venezuela and Vietnam.

  • @Aidan said:
    Pfft, you only need to worry about FinFisher if you live in either Australia, Austria, Bahrain, Bangladesh, Britain, Brunei, Bulgaria, Canada, the Czech Republic, Estonia, Ethiopia, Finland, Germany, Hungary, India, Indonesia, Japan, Latvia, Lithuania, Macedonia, Malaysia, Mexico, Mongolia, Netherlands, Nigeria, Pakistan, Panama, Qatar, Romania, Serbia, Singapore, South Africa, Turkey, Turkmenistan, the United Arab Emirates, the United States, Venezuela and Vietnam.

    I appreciate the reassuring list. I definitely don’t live in Canada and definitely don’t cover my MBP’s camera.

    Thanked by 1Aidan
  • saibalsaibal Member
    edited September 2017

    @Aidan said: Pfft, you only need to worry about FinFisher if you live in either Australia, Austria, Bahrain, Bangladesh, Britain, Brunei, Bulgaria, Canada, the Czech Republic, Estonia, Ethiopia, Finland, Germany, Hungary, India, Indonesia, Japan, Latvia, Lithuania, Macedonia, Malaysia, Mexico, Mongolia, Netherlands, Nigeria, Pakistan, Panama, Qatar, Romania, Serbia, Singapore, South Africa, Turkey, Turkmenistan, the United Arab Emirates, the United States, Venezuela and Vietnam.

    That list includes almost all of the world's population. Let's all move to Tristan da Cunha.

    Oh wait, it belongs to Britain.

    Thanked by 1Aidan
  • I wanna go to the Isle of Man just so I can drive like a complete dick.

  • WSS said: I wanna go to the Isle of Man just so I can drive like a complete dick.

    Linky

    Thanked by 2WSS Amitz
  • @qtwrk said:
    well , be honest , I don't really mind be monitored as I am not worth the effort if my (or better yet , foreign ) government wants, beside I am not planing to hijack a plane or driver a van to smash people.

    A classical way to miss the point. Everyone saying what you say basically offers a free ticket and a justification for nsa, ghcq, and similar.

    And btw, that can be easily be turned around - and against you. Maybe the cia killers are looking for a scapegoat to blame one of their false flags or other attacks on. Thanks to you not caring a fuck about being eavesdropped on you provide them with plenty information to blame it on you and to conveniently kill you, the "terrorist suspect".

    I do btw agree that the security agencies do need that tool, but that's not the question. The question is how they do that, under which laws, controlled by whom?

  • jarjar Patron Provider, Top Host, Veteran

    @qtwrk said:
    well , be honest , I don't really mind be monitored as I am not worth the effort if my (or better yet , foreign ) government wants, beside I am not planing to hijack a plane or driver a van to smash people.

    I take another approach. Pollute the well. Watch me and store my data, and keep expanding your datacenter to house the unbelievable insight I give you into how and when I take a shit. My protest is to have the largest footprint I can. If we all do it enough, maybe they can never sort through it all :P

    So CIA, enjoy my Alexa Google Home Siri Canary iMac Camera spam. Hope your budget increases until no one is left on your side.

    Thanked by 2Janevski VPSforVPN
  • qtwrkqtwrk Member
    edited September 2017

    @bsdguy said:

    @qtwrk said:
    well , be honest , I don't really mind be monitored as I am not worth the effort if my (or better yet , foreign ) government wants, beside I am not planing to hijack a plane or driver a van to smash people.

    A classical way to miss the point. Everyone saying what you say basically offers a free ticket and a justification for nsa, ghcq, and similar.

    And btw, that can be easily be turned around - and against you. Maybe the cia killers are looking for a scapegoat to blame one of their false flags or other attacks on. Thanks to you not caring a fuck about being eavesdropped on you provide them with plenty information to blame it on you and to conveniently kill you, the "terrorist suspect".

    I do btw agree that the security agencies do need that tool, but that's not the question. The question is how they do that, under which laws, controlled by whom?

    hmmmmmm , I think you are the one who missing point.

    if they really looking for a scapegoat , believe me, they don't need such troubling way to do that.

    if they want , and I'm sure they are capable of , just faking some info , PS'ing some photos , you are done.

    and news report will just say "counter-terrorist operation hunted and killed 1 suspect" while posting some faked info or photo , no one ever know it's true or not nor will anyone bother , people will probably just say: good job , I feel much safer now.

    how about that?

  • @jarland said:

    @qtwrk said:
    well , be honest , I don't really mind be monitored as I am not worth the effort if my (or better yet , foreign ) government wants, beside I am not planing to hijack a plane or driver a van to smash people.

    I take another approach. Pollute the well. Watch me and store my data, and keep expanding your datacenter to house the unbelievable insight I give you into how and when I take a shit. My protest is to have the largest footprint I can. If we all do it enough, maybe they can never sort through it all :P

    So CIA, enjoy my Alexa Google Home Siri Canary iMac Camera spam. Hope your budget increases until no one is left on your side.

    Put as much entropy as you can.

  • @Janevski said:
    Put as much entropy as you can.

    He wanted to, but mxshared took up too much time.

    Thanked by 1Aidan
  • qtwrk said: I don't really mind be monitored as I am not worth the effort

    Why is that relevant? I wouldn't be bent out of shape if they got mundane information on me either. However, I object to the principal of what they're doing. It's not that they're spying. It's that they're spying on everybody.

  • bsdguy said: The question is how they do that, under which laws, controlled by whom?

    i will answer to your question : like always CIA unfortunatly is think is our boss . Is not a problem if is out of his couverage ... Fuck this politics rules !

    Thanked by 1that_guy
  • jarjar Patron Provider, Top Host, Veteran
    edited September 2017

    @Ole_Juul said:

    qtwrk said: I don't really mind be monitored as I am not worth the effort

    Why is that relevant? I wouldn't be bent out of shape if they got mundane information on me either. However, I object to the principal of what they're doing. It's not that they're spying. It's that they're spying on everybody.

    I'm obviously quite relaxed in my reaction to it as well, but there's a very key point on all of it that @qtwrk misses. It's not uncommon at all to miss it, clearly, but it's so important:

    Who your government is today might be someone you feel like you can trust. To pretend that no one else with any other ideology will be in power in your lifetime is so arrogant and ignorant of the way the world has always operated, and I think we could all agree on that. So it's a question of: do you trust everyone with this power? If not, who don't you trust and why? Then tell me why they can never be the ones with said power.

    Today it's to catch terrorists. Maybe tomorrow it's to enforce the state religion. Maybe the next day it's to enforce no public criticism of the government. These aren't crazy ideas, they're active realities across the world right now, today.

    I ask Americans this question:

    If you lean right: Do you trust Obama with that power?
    If you lean left: Do you trust Trump with that power?

    If the answer to either is no, then the answer to both has to be no, anything else is illogical. You can't trust someone with a power that they'll hand off to someone you don't trust. Makes no sense. Best to give it to neither.

    So in conclusion:

    As leaders on the internet, and there are a lot of leaders on LET, it's up to us to keep it in check and fight it. It's not about politics really, it's about protecting the freedom of the internet and there people using it. Left, right, middle, we're all one here. That's kinda why I just went into this rant, I feel like it's not divisive.

  • If, someone watching me, i'll make a huge ammount of googling to porn, how to make bomb, how to hack fbi, how to hack cia, how to make drug, and the last : how to kill your self after monitoring another people lol

    Thanked by 1that_guy
  • AnthonySmithAnthonySmith Member, Patron Provider
    edited September 2017

    Who expected this thread to go in the direction it is taking?

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  • jetchiragjetchirag Member
    edited September 2017

    AnthonySmith said: Who expected this thread to go in the direction it is taking?

    This is how it goes everytime, like it's hardcoded. But anyways, personal opinion don't generally change neither does people participating in such discussions

  • stefemanstefeman Member
    edited September 2017

    @qtwrk said:
    well , be honest , I don't really mind be monitored as I am not worth the effort if my (or better yet , foreign ) government wants, beside I am not planing to hijack a plane or driver a van to smash people.

    Arguing that you don't care about the right to privacy because you have nothing to hide is no different than saying you don't care about free speech because you have nothing to say.

    Mass spying with pretense of stopping terrorism is just stupid.. for all we know in 20 years you could be a terrorist if you think differently than your leaders of state.

  • jvnadrjvnadr Member
    edited September 2017

    If you are comfort by letting governments to do mass surveillance, you can watch some movies:
    The Matrix, V for Vendetta, Panic Room, Modern Times, Brazil, La Antenna (the last one, watch it, an Argentine masterpiece created in 2007, even if it is silent and BW).

    And read some books:
    1984, Brave New World, We.

    Thanked by 1Ole_Juul
  • @stefeman said:

    Mass spying with pretense of stopping terrorism is just stupid.. for all we know in 20 years you could be a terrorist if you think differently than your leaders of state.

    Also, a lot of "terrorism" turns out to have been 3-letter agency false flag ops. Unfortunately the proof often comes decades later, and then not many care anymore or don't even hear about it.
    When I'm old, it will be very interesting to read which "terrorist attacks" were managed by whom and why.

  • A bit late worrying about it now... In the UK the Investigatory Powers Act 2016 (commonly known as the Snoopers Charter) quietly went from being a 'bill' to an 'act' in December last year. Silently we gave away our privacy and agreed to a legal framework that allows them to do all the stuff that was somewhat questionable or even illegal before. Further to that, mass surveillance collates data from a wider range of sources including some unexpected ones such as The Food Standards Agency, Ambulance Service etc.

  • I my humble opinion, there is nothing we can do about it. We voted for them, we gave them power, and now they enjoy watching us, for their own selfish and sick entertainment. This is just how things are, because most corporations are scared not to loose power, from watchers to become watched.


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