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NAT VPS, Why Should We Despise it ?
Apart from the shared IP and complicated Port Forwarding. Why would people despise NAT VPS ? It has very low great Price.
I myself am looking for a NAT VPS. I only know Quadhost (they suffer a lot of problem lately) / LES. Any other provider offer NAT VPS, preferably in Asian.
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Why get a NAT VPS when you could get a KVM IPv4 for a low price?
Well, Nat VPS can cost $1-$3 / year. Never seen Openvz let Alone KVM cost that low.
We are planning to do HK based NAT VPS. Been saying this for a while, a long with restocking our FREE VPS (this is NOT sarcasm!). Just haven't gotten around to it.
For super low end machines, I think NAT VPS can be useful. But I fail to see much, if any benefit at all if that VPS cost anything more than $5/month. In most of Europe and USA, IPs cost $1-$2 (it's higher from most Asian hosts) so once you start getting over $5 /month, you gotta be one super cheap skate for not forking out that extra $2 for an IPv4 address.
Although IP prices may continue to rise while bandwidth and hardware will probably fall. So in NAT VPS may become extremely cheap without having the burden of adding an IP address.
What's your budget for the Asian NAT VPS?
Sorry, i didn't realize it was that cheap. Yeah, 1x ipv4 alone costs at least $2/Year.
What? Where? I'd take a /22 for $2 /yr per IP!
How is that even possible?
If you assume you have a E3-12xxv6 with 64GB RAM, and a single normal disk, it would probably cost around US$800 to buy and have power running cost of $15 /month.
Let's assume you are running this under your desk at home (because colo is too expensive) and you're running this is on a 100Mbit broadband that cost you $40 /month.
So you have a $55 /month operating cost.
You take your 64GB RAM, and you oversell the crap out of it! In order to break even over a period of say 2 years (you gotta recoup the hardware right?) you need to make at least US$1,060 /year (that's break even only!) If you accept Paypal as payment, remember that your $3 /year actually only gets you $2.5 (after fees), so you need 424 clients at $3 /year just to break even.
Given only 64GB RAM you could only give people around 128MB RAM, which means you would need to oversell 2 - 4 times to make the RAM look reasonable, or actually even be useful, since just about everything uses over 100MB RAM these days.
Network wise, you would have to hope your 100Mbit line can actually handle 100Mbit, and hope your clients will on average use less than 240kbit/s each.
And that's just to break even.
Don't ask me, ask the guy at LES.
$10 / year
What would you expect for $10 /yr? (Assume Asia location)
I think you still can rely on Quadhost, they replied my fool questions yesterday . I assume they still monitor everything. As i-83.net said to me, the support level at i-83 and Quadhost are different.
I wouldnt
256MB RAM / 256 Swap
10GB SSD
VirMach used to make special offers like KVM for $5/yr. That's the cheapest IPv4 KVM one I know.
A lot of people must hate them. They are regularly attacked by ddos.
Exactly, you have just sounded one of the main disadvantages of all NAT VMs.
Alright guys easy, okay LOL
Isn't that the disadvantages of basically anything. Even with normal vps. If the node is getting ddosed and can't handle it, doesn't it mean all of the vps in that specific node going down ? doesn't matter what the IP is. CMIIW.
The real question: Do people despise NAT VPSes in the first place?
Check out http://lowendstock.com :-)
GBP3/year is not $1-$3/year
Why would anyone need to know node's IP and why would it even need one?
And if one of the users gets DDOS his IP will be nullrouted and the node will be perfectly fine. Or am i missing something?
So basically in normal VPS, if 1 user get DDosed, other user / the provider doesn't affected at all ?
i think, thats might be true. but if attack sent through gateway(the NAT), all node using these router will affected. ??
Interesting topic, need someone to explain it better.
That obviously depends on the attack itsef, but it will be MUCH harder to cause issues for provider's network hardware than for single node.
Router in this case is the node itself, and ip that is given to users is node's IP. Which is then publicly known and obviously cannot be just nullrouted without making the node and its contents unavailable.
LES has been running for about 4 years now, I started the project as a low cost non profit experiment funded by Inception Hosting, it did not run on modern hardware on launch, it ran on an x3220 with 8gb ram and a single Sata.
It's main purpose was not to be a NAT VPS it was supposed to be a native IPv6 vps with complimentary IPv4 for initial setup and 20 ports forwarded to work around any IPv6 only problems.
The whole thing grew much faster than I ever could have imagined so it expanded from just the Netherlands to the uk, Italy, Dallas, Singapore, Japan and Phoenix.
Obviously with that the hardware had to be upgraded to cope with the volumes and eventually some locations just got 'slabbed' within my own infrastructure.
It has never been a profit driven model it comes with no direct support, only the forums at http://forum.lowendspirit.com which is a pretty active community.
The problem that came after is a lot of people then tried to run similar things as a business model and quickly collapsed.
Some locations have closed such as Singapore due to leaseweb being beyond believe usless and Dallas closed when cloudshards went bankrupt.
The KVM version of the service suffered when Singapore closed and now only the Netherlands remains which is double the price.
I have always been pretty transparent about what LES is, it's history and it's futures, so in my opinion you SHOULD despise NAT vps servers when they are being run as a primary business model.
If however you want a little low cost as in a bag of chips vps for a whole year that you don't expect perfect performance, it can do almost anything a regular vps of similar specs can do except host an IPv4 name or mail server then it is ideal.
Hell someone just made a CDN from a collection of them, other people use it to host sites in 6 locations at once with geodns, essentially you can use it to stage high availability applications for next to nothing.
If anyone has any how the hell or why the hell questions I am happy to answer them from my perspective.
Edit: iPad auto correct is great..
Now let's assume you allocate only 2 - 4 cores, its and E5 and 16GB ram from it.
It will be soon :-)
Who's despising it?
Now we're getting somewhere!
16GB RAM on even a single E5 is waste of a nice CPU.
Yep, like I just said, they are slabbed into my own infrastructure, hence the 2 - 4 cores.