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  • TheOnlyDK said: Yea, I'm buying a server for personal use, learning purposes. What now? Unless if they track me, find which datacenter i colo my server in and start DPI all traffic, they can't prove anything.

    Is this what you tell them at the border when they ask if you bought anything? What do you mean "track you"? You're right there in front of them.

    If it's being shipped, then the shipping company has an obligation to declare. You're not going to win that one.

    There is one chance and that is to get the seller to lie on the declaration form and then ship via post. A lot of post is not searched. However, you'd be taking a chance that you may end up paying any way. The seller, of course, could get in real trouble and as a business are unlikely to play that game on your behalf.

  • Ole_JuulOle_Juul Member
    edited August 2017

    Funny story about the border crossing. My neighbor is an old man (close to 80) and he drives across the border to buy a couple of cylinders of acetylene for his welding. At the border on the way back he is asked if he has bought anything while down there. His answer: "just gas". Whereupon they wave him through.

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  • TheOnlyDK said: If someone lived in the US for more than 48 hours, they are allowed to bring back $800 (probably CAD) worth of goods without paying tax. Cheap and legal. I've had friends went to Portland and bought iPads for cheap, then bring back without paying duties/taxes.

    The hardware is owned by my LLC, so that would be still illegal. As would be transferring (fake sale) and buy it again in CA or get it free from there.

    Private however, yes, sure this works fine - just like i and everyone else brings back lots of crap up to the EU limit from every travel.

    TheOnlyDK said: Yea, I'm buying a server for personal use, learning purposes. What now? Unless if they track me, find which datacenter i colo my server in and start DPI all traffic, they can't prove anything.

    As noted, private - sure. I'm a sizeable company, i can't do such things, same as i doubt @francisco and others would do this.

    This also, just like the "not checked drive import" prevents me from exporting the hardware to EU/US again (not entirely, but it gets complicated with ownership and who imported it to CA - as you DO need to declare this at the border, even if duty/tax free then).

  • @William said:

    TheOnlyDK said: If someone lived in the US for more than 48 hours, they are allowed to bring back $800 (probably CAD) worth of goods without paying tax. Cheap and legal. I've had friends went to Portland and bought iPads for cheap, then bring back without paying duties/taxes.

    The hardware is owned by my LLC, so that would be still illegal. As would be transferring (fake sale) and buy it again in CA or get it free from there.

    Private however, yes, sure this works fine - just like i and everyone else brings back lots of crap up to the EU limit from every travel.

    TheOnlyDK said: Yea, I'm buying a server for personal use, learning purposes. What now? Unless if they track me, find which datacenter i colo my server in and start DPI all traffic, they can't prove anything.

    As noted, private - sure. I'm a sizeable company, i can't do such things, same as i doubt @francisco and others would do this.

    This also, just like the "not checked drive import" prevents me from exporting the hardware to EU/US again (not entirely, but it gets complicated with ownership and who imported it to CA - as you DO need to declare this at the border, even if duty/tax free then).

    It all depends how much hardware your moving over the border really. If it looks like a legit amount, they'll just tell you to go.
    So the only way to avoid being taxed for the servers is moving it to the Netherlands (or buying it there) and than shipping it to Canada?

  • Edmond said: So the only way to avoid being taxed for the servers is moving it to the Netherlands (or buying it there) and than shipping it to Canada?

    Well, any EU country should be fine, but NL is the nearest with a territory in the region (they have some islands near Venezuela), followed by French ones in South America.

  • mk1mk1 Member

    @William said:

    Edmond said: So the only way to avoid being taxed for the servers is moving it to the Netherlands (or buying it there) and than shipping it to Canada?

    Well, any EU country should be fine, but NL is the nearest with a territory in the region (they have some islands near Venezuela), followed by French ones in South America.

    Saint Pierre and Miquelon is a French territory minutes from Newfoundland. Not sure how tax would work there.

  • mk1 said: Saint Pierre and Miquelon is a French territory minutes from Newfoundland

    Not a bad idea, but not EU:

    Only one COM, Saint Martin, is part of the European Union

    A territory is not EU member and not in customs area - only an integral part is.

    The former Netherlands antilles were not really EU (some islands are now not either) but are now, from what i remember (the split was some years ago):

    • Saba & Bonaire are now integral parts of the Kingdom (and thus EU and customs area)
    • Sint Maarten & Curacao are now "states" inside the Kingdom (EU but not customs area?)
    • Sint Eustatius renames the old "Netherlands Antilles" construct and is semi-independent (not EU, not customs area)

    But anyway, these are islands which means the shipping alone forth and back even to a free port as Curacao's or directly to Willemstad would cost more than CA import tax and even shipping (around 15% tax).

  • mk1mk1 Member

    @william I thought that might be the case. I'm driving an empty car from NL to Vancouver in a couple months so I was going to offer my delivery services.

  • Ole_JuulOle_Juul Member
    edited August 2017

    mk1 said: I'm driving an empty car from NL to Vancouver

    That's 7,000 kilometers. Or did you mean the other NL? lol

  • nunimnunim Member
    edited August 2017

    @Francisco said:
    Bandwidth is very expensive and there's only Harbor Tower isn't there?

    Francisco

    It's "Harbour Centre" but there's some other options, just none of them are very good.
    Aside from Peer1 in Harbour Centre, there's:

    Esecure has a DC in Coquitlam - https://esecuredata.com/datacentre

    Cologix, has Harbour Centre + another location. - http://www.cologix.com/data-centers/vancouver/

    There's also these guys in Kitsilano - https://www.kitsilanohosting.com/ -
    http://www.datacentermap.com/canada/vancouver/backbone-datavault.html

    Most of them back-haul to Harbour Centre though, there's at least one DC in Surrey but I can't find the name of it now, they offered point to point wireless links.

    For those looking for a VPS, there's - http://vanvps.com/ - they're not cheap but were the best provide I could find at the time and they've been around for awhile.

    I lived in Surrey for 3 years, it's a great place to live but everything, including DC space, is very expensive. For me it was better to use Ramnode Seattle as someone else said above, the routing to the US is just much better.

    On Telus it was 12ms to my Ramnode SEA box & 30ms~ to downtown Vancouver. Canadian routing kinda sucks and most traffic goes through the states anyhow.

    And as far as border crossing going, it really depends on which passport you hold. For a private amount of gear, it's very unlikely that the border guards would charge you any tax/duty, they generally only care about booze & cigs.

  • @Ole_Juul said:

    TheOnlyDK said: Yea, I'm buying a server for personal use, learning purposes. What now? Unless if they track me, find which datacenter i colo my server in and start DPI all traffic, they can't prove anything.

    Is this what you tell them at the border when they ask if you bought anything? What do you mean "track you"? You're right there in front of them.

    If they ask me what I buy, I tell them what I buy. Always declare what you get, and let them decide if you need to pay or not, which is why I said someone who lived in the states for more than 48 hours can bring back goods that worth $800 without needing to pay taxes and duties.

    If it's being shipped, then the shipping company has an obligation to declare. You're not going to win that one.

    We're talking about driving the damn server cross the boarder, there's no shipping company. Yes, I'm with the server, they can't say that server must be for commercial purposes, they have no proof. Unless if they find a way to locate that server after it's being colo'd and DPI network traffic, they can't prove anything.

  • EdmondEdmond Member
    edited August 2017

    @nunim said:

    @Francisco said:
    Bandwidth is very expensive and there's only Harbor Tower isn't there?

    Francisco

    It's "Harbour Centre" but there's some other options, just none of them are very good.
    Aside from Peer1 in Harbour Centre, there's:

    Esecure has a DC in Coquitlam - https://esecuredata.com/datacentre

    Cologix, has Harbour Centre + another location. - http://www.cologix.com/data-centers/vancouver/

    There's also these guys in Kitsilano - https://www.kitsilanohosting.com/ -
    http://www.datacentermap.com/canada/vancouver/backbone-datavault.html

    Most of them back-haul to Harbour Centre though, there's at least one DC in Surrey but I can't find the name of it now, they offered point to point wireless links.

    For those looking for a VPS, there's - http://vanvps.com/ - they're not cheap but were the best provide I could find at the time and they've been around for awhile.

    I lived in Surrey for 3 years, it's a great place to live but everything, including DC space, is very expensive. For me it was better to use Ramnode Seattle as someone else said above, the routing to the US is just much better.

    On Telus it was 12ms to my Ramnode SEA box & 30ms~ to downtown Vancouver. Canadian routing kinda sucks and most traffic goes through the states anyhow.

    And as far as border crossing going, it really depends on which passport you hold. For a private amount of gear, it's very unlikely that the border guards would charge you any tax/duty, they generally only care about booze & cigs.

    Well the closest place to exchange connections is at SIX. Telus routing seems to be a bit better compared to Shaw but since there's nowhere to interconnect within the city for the other companies, it just all goes to SIX, besides, there's hardy any data centers near the area. Well if it was going from Shaw to Telus or the other way around, however, it doesn't do that, they could buy transit from them, but it's expensive so they just rely on SIX for peering...

    Tracing route to clgrab21gr01.bb.telus.com [154.11.98.17]
    over a maximum of 30 hops:
    
      1     *        *        *     Request timed out.
      2     8 ms     9 ms    10 ms  rc1st-tge0-8-0-5-1.vc.shawcable.net [64.59.148.133] 
      3    25 ms    31 ms    37 ms  154.11.2.85 
      4    27 ms    27 ms    26 ms  clgrab21gr01.bb.telus.com [154.11.98.17] 
    
    Trace complete.
    

    However, I don't understand why the ping is so high anyway, it doesn't seem to be going to SIX, but I'm not 100% sure..

  • HarambeHarambe Member, Host Rep

    @Edmond said: Well the closest place to exchange connections is at SIX.

    https://www.peeringdb.com/ix/195
    https://www.peeringdb.com/ix/863

  • @Harambe said:

    @Edmond said: Well the closest place to exchange connections is at SIX.

    https://www.peeringdb.com/ix/195
    https://www.peeringdb.com/ix/863

    Yes I know there's a smaller exchange in Vancouver, however all the connections just end up at SIX....

    Tracing route to core1.yvr1.he.net [216.218.252.160]
    over a maximum of 30 hops:
    
      1     *        *        *     Request timed out.
      2    12 ms    11 ms    11 ms  rc1bb-tge0-8-0-5-1.vc.shawcable.net [64.59.148.129] 
      3    13 ms    13 ms    11 ms  rc1wt-be90.wa.shawcable.net [66.163.76.66] 
      4    22 ms    24 ms    24 ms  10gigabitethernet1-3.core1.sea1.he.net [206.81.80.40] 
      5    16 ms    25 ms    24 ms  core1.yvr1.he.net [216.218.252.160] 
    
    Trace complete.
    
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