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lol After I post this comment, DDoS attack came to our Hong Kong DC.
The provider I used to work for dealt with this site specifically and the garbage that followed it. In it's defense, it's slightly a step up from Taobao garbage.
I see making up Western names (curiously always the same like 100 or 150 top) is still a thing @ PRC... my HK friends laugh about it always
I don't see how that would be illegal - the user is Chinese, the ISP is not (ding), the receiver is Chinese. If anything this violates the laws of the ISPs incorporation country. It does violate Chinese law by locality (complicated, but involving CN soil, you know your gov...) but if the ISP does not step into/operate in CN it it pretty pointless (matter of fact, giving CN details to the police in your country likely violates the same statute, but as we all know the PRC heads like to write a lot of lrgal crap on paper and the reality is way different).
expressing... opinions... Chinese OP... there is some sort of joke in there, i just can't express it.
I've learned something important in this thread: William can make jokes.
it's a known fact china mainland user use proxy to bypass china firewall. they also use a software that resend the same package to reduce chance of dropped packet.
it's a known fact china user also press that paypal dispute before doing anything, reason being is they don't care about the consequence to the provider, if a service does not meet their expectation, they press dispute.
in this case, the providers in this promotion(not the OP's thread.. as he is just merely an affiliate site). takes shitload of paypal dispute... took it to 91yun's. 91yun lost aff. money..... made a post telling people paypal dispute is not the right thing to do, and all of those service are non-managed.
So typical day of leb... china style.
Wouldn't the disputes also hurt the affiliate program?
Same here. As long as their VPS works, they are generally pretty happy and almost no support tickets. I welcome any Asian customer to join the family
Roilan
I do not deny that there are such users in China, but most users are not malicious.
91yun there are many ways to tell people not to dispute.
but he used the most stupid way.
It is not told but intimidate, you frighten that you will publish their personal infomation and they will not be able to buy servers any more, leaking personal information on purpose is a crime not only in China bu also in the US. Would you like to cooperate with a crimer? @Clouvider
You are right, this behavior is illegal in China or the United states.
I opened this thread to confirm the sale deal story between 91yun.org and its mentioned providers. not for a rhetorical question. it wouldnt make me a moderator here.
people are still talking all over within China. curious if there is, what hosting providers made a pact with 91yun.org due to "the chinese disputation problem" as 91yun.org stated. trended to a different set of providers.
I will hear from the providers, and also observe how each provider reacts during the topic. then feedback within China.
Right mate, you may wish to stop there. What deal ?
I think, IDC business products are stable, determined by two main conditions:
1.IDC service providers can guarantee the quality of special products and ordinary products are consistent?
2 customers do not abuse the machine, the merchant's special products are serious over sale?
The same as Chinese, I know the adverse effects of Paypal controversy for businesses, and resolutely resist the malicious Paypal dispute, but what time from the beginning, the businessmen held special offer activities as they crazy money making tools, and not responsible for customer service?
In the absence of violation of the TOS, please do not regard all the Chinese people as abuse, abuse only a minority. I feel very helpless, if the business does not have enough capacity and the machine please do not free to launch special events, we very much hope that foreign businessmen to correct the understanding of Chinese customers.
Finally, I would like to say that the 91yun webmaster, as a "serverspeeder" software (like BBR) provider, why would there be a businessman willing to launch a special event with him, and businesses prohibit the use of this series of software? I always think that 91yun is a well done IDC product recommendation site (even if only in order to earn commissions), now I understand, 91yun webmaster seems to be a failed businessman, do not know how to communicate with people.
Clouvider is not US based. US laws generally suck either way, as does most of the court system (except in LOUISIANA
).
Further, the UK laws are not what you say - giving out data of abusive users (abusive is pretty secured on chargeback) and especially non payment (which only ENABLES specialised money collecting agencies in the UK to collect and have jobs) is not illegal, it's part of business, which also enables services like Fraudrecord to be legal (goes a bit further than needed by hashing, but still).
Public data of fraud (chargeback is fraud in this cases, especially if stated in a ticket - intentional then even, you'll find that as .1 or .2 in your criminal code after fraud, with additional penalty...) perpetrators will also not really be viewed negatively by anyone if verifiable (no, not like that Panama provider back then), and court processing in the EU is based on prosecutor which is solely based on public interest - not even on the law.
Now, for the fun of it - if someone would sue the Chinese guy in a US court for fraud (or whatever actually) the court documents, including all of this content/proof, would be made public by the local gov (in most states), entirely legal (yes, there is sealing, but this would surely not qualify).
Civil cases different, but a Chinese fraudster (which will likely not even get a visa to attend a UK court session unless he/she can provide monetary security) suing in London/NYC against a local company... nah.
Can sue in China... which you absolutely give less than zero shit as western company/citizen; not like the PRC can enforce the (not free either and very state influenced) sentences...
https://www.lowendtalk.com/discussion/61102/leaseweb-asked-for-an-initial-deposit-of-eur-1000/p1
https://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?t=1523885
somehow, this thread reminds me these two incidents.
As a Power-User of those speed-acceleration software, especially KCPTUN. I wanna provide some detail explain and advice here:
There are 5 well-knowing way to speed-up bandwidth from china:
Tcp-based:
1. ServerSpeeder: commercial, binary kernel module without source。fair-fast and just use a few more bandwidth.
2. Google BBR: in 4.9 kernel. fair-fast and just use a few more bandwidth.
The above two is require kernel change, so can only use in Kvm/Xen.
UDP/TCP based:
4. FinalSpeed and TcpSpeed, the later is a close-source/advanced version by the author. This one is require a client, and can send much more packet then needed (tripled or more). I'm not so sure about close-source version.
Only support UDP in openvz, and support TCP on kvm.
UDP only:
5. KCPTUN, open-source and very tunable. In bad settings, it can waste 2~4 more bandwidth. But with fine tune, I can archive 94% bandwidth usage with it.
What I suggest is:
KVM provider:
I don't think you can/should ban BBR, same as ServerSpeeder, and they are not so bandwidth hungry.
For net_speeder/FinalSpeed/TcpSpeed/KCPTUN，you can limit port speed or ask user limit their speed in TOS, or disallow them in TOS as they can use BBR or ServerSpeeder, or better, provide a template with BBR enabled.
OpenVZ provider:
use ServerSpeeder enabled kernel for chinese user, or LXC service with BBR, it will be popular.
otherwise, setup port speed/udp qos or ask user limit themself. In kcptun, just ask them set
sndwnd * mtu * 8 * ( datashard + parityshard ) / datashard / lantecy_in_secs < 25Mb.
or If you've good network bandwidth, just let them be when they don't over their total quota.
I think bloggers like you should stay neutral at this situation. When you want your readers to follow some rules, it is preferrable to use proper words. You can remind them the risk of abusion instead of threatening them to get away from your promotion. When you found someone was abusing the vulnerability, make it clear in your post so that people who participate could learn the rules they should follow. Then you are not responsible when client-provider isues happened. Nobody should blame you.
Yesterday (January 27) saw 91yun recommended special events, I only used one of the service providers, but the quality of service providers reputation is not very good, I also saw other forums to buy 91yun recommended service providers Products can not be used, so you can determine the 91yun, just to make money to promote a blog, do not care about the quality of service providers, only care about the interests
Oh god, it's made it China. What else you want? Samsung Galaxy Note 7 on your VPS?
OK, I just checked 91yun spring deal.
They have
80host
Servarica
Rectified
budgetnode
LaunchVPS
dediserve
TragicServers
host4fun
Quadhost
IncredibleVPS/Alphavps
vpsRus
Nodion
50KVM
vStoike
I have never heard for 80host and 50KVM. I almost used all of their service on this list.
Quick review:
Rectified
Good connectivity to China, I have a 512MB VPS there. Reply my ticket in a short period.
budgetnode
What can I say? I am using their Christmas deal VPS right now. 3 IP 6 EUR/month.
dediserve
I used their service for a long time. Quick respond. Do not have any problem with them.
TragicServers
I bought one VPS last year. Good uptime. Even though I just keep it idle.
host4fun
Grab one of their Christmas deal. 8GB RAM. IO is a little bit slow, but I do not run intensive IO on that machine.
Quadhost
Last time I opened a ticket, the support team replied me in 25 minutes. I am their loyal, long term customer.
IncredibleVPS/Alphavps
I have a Bulgaria VPS. Good connectivity to Europe. I don't see a problem.
Nodion
I have one in Frankfurt and one VPS in London. 1Gbps port. I am not a fan of VirtKick. However, I like their support and sales team. Let's call it even.
vStoike
I don't think you will have a problem with them.
Folks, providers, do you want to defense yourselves? I am using your products and I am satisfied.
Maybe oversell which is acceptable. This is LowEndTalk.
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Let me give you some suggestions.
You need to manage your own low-end VPS.
You need to understand resources are not dedicated.
Can't you read the words "fair share"?
Don't put important data on your 12 USD/year VPS.
What do you expect for a 12USD/year VPS?
Do they need to give you an extra glass of wine with fine cheese?
If I have some important data, I will get a managed dedicated server instead.
We also get some order from 91yun and never had issues, regarding PayPal dispute, it's not just users from 91yun but it basically applies to all chinese users in general, if they don't like something instead of submitting ticket they simply file a PayPal dispute and some of them will just submit a cancellation request even if they want to reinstall it, so once we read the cancellation request, we remove that request, open a ticket for client ,send them vps control panel details again and usually the issue is resolved, and regarding PayPal disputes from chinese users we simply refund them and ban them in our system
So far we are happy with users from 91yun
However, the truth is: You are rubbish like 91YUN, and was excluded by most Chinese customers.
Not sure why you hate us so much, i hope not a competitor.
I have to tell you two things:
a) I'm a customer of AlexBarakov and he is among the most polite, friendly, correct, and no-nonsense people I've met so far in hosting. So cut your shit.
b) I do like Chinese. This is not a polite statement but an honest one; I like them. I also understand that their culture is very different from ours and that certain legal circumstances might drive them to go strange ways.
That said, this is what I'd learn from this thread if I were a provider: Be careful with chinese customers and always ask official info/documents. Plus: No paypal payments accepted from them, neither credit cards, only bank transfer and bitcoin. And: 91something? Get away, I don't want your business.
I've seen quite a few selfies taken when requesting ID verification. Prepare for that amusement.
91yun.org is DEAD now.
"chinese customers" huh? yes, I made sure the community saw this thread. one year ago.
Thanks,it’ very good!
Good necro. Gold medal.
February 2018
Today alone, you made at least 19 posts with "thanks" or "thank you". If you want to thank someone, it's more valuable for everyone if you simply click on the "Thanks" link of the post/person that you want to thank.