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RIPE is running out of IPv4

RIPE is running out of IPv4

rds100rds100 Member
edited September 2012 in General


To: [email protected]
Subject: [ncc-announce] RIPE NCC Begins to Allocate IPv4 Address Space From
    the Last /8

Dear colleagues,

On Friday, 14 September 2012, the RIPE NCC, the Regional Internet Registry
(RIR) for Europe, the Middle East and parts of Central Asia, distributed the
last blocks of IPv4 address space from the available pool.

This means that we are now distributing IPv4 address space to Local Internet
Registries (LIRs) from the last /8 according to section 5.6 of "IPv4 Address
Allocation and Assignment Policies for the RIPE NCC Service Region".

This section states that an LIR may receive one /22 allocation (1,024 IPv4
addresses), even if they can justify a larger allocation. This /22
allocation will only be made to LIRs if they have already received an IPv6
allocation from an upstream LIR or the RIPE NCC. No new IPv4 Provider
Independent (PI) space will be assigned.

This policy can be found online at:
https://www.ripe.net/ripe/docs/ripe-553

Those members with open requests for IPv4 address space will shortly receive
an email regarding the status of their requests.

It is now imperative that all stakeholders deploy IPv6 on their networks to
ensure the continuity of their online operations and the future growth of
the Internet.
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  • World will collapse soon

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  • I blame the VPS market :P

  • @serverian said: World will collapse soon

    No, just the price of IPs will increase. And if there is a provider that hasn't started deploying ipv6 by now - they are a fool.

  • ChiefChief Member
    edited September 2012

    "It's the end of the world as we know it.... and I feel fine".... ;)

    Thanks for the update!

    Running out of IPv4 can only mean one thing, a greater push towards IPv6. As humans we will use something until it is nearly fully depleted, and instead of being pro-active we will be reactive. I'm wondering now if this leads to an increase in the cost of IPv4's and how long before that affects LEB providers.

    @rds100 said: And if there is a provider that hasn't started deploying ipv6 by now - they are a fool.

    I disagree, how do you know a provider who isn't deploying IPv6 doesn't have a massive stash of IPv4. I know of a handful of hosts that have mentioned along the lines of having enough IPv4 to last them another 3 years.

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  • AsadHaiderAsadHaider Member
    edited September 2012

    @rds100 said: No, just the price of IPs will increase.

    Well, then I better buy all the IPs I can get my hands on!

  • How long until ARIN runs out, I wonder....

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  • @William said: Got enough for me, and enough for edis as well, and even more if needed :)

    Mind sharing? ;)

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  • Shane_ElmoreShane_Elmore Member
    edited September 2012

    @Victor said: Mind sharing? ;)

    He bought all of them, causing RIPE to run out. Burn him!

    Shane Elmore | Programmer In Progress

  • JarJar Member
    edited September 2012

    @rds100 said: And if there is a provider that hasn't started deploying ipv6 by now - they are a fool.

    Not really, since deploying it really doesn't take that much time and still almost no one can use it. ISPs won't be in a hurry to deploy ipv6 until the shortage effects them, and we all know they're hoarding ipv4.

  • This is because they previously assigned /24's to people like me to play around with, so it's their fault really.

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  • @Chief said: Running out of IPv4 can only mean one thing, a greater push towards IPv6

    Hope so. But we all know ISP's will start using NAT more. to save on ip's

  • @jhadley said: This is because they previously assigned /24's to people like me to play around with, so it's their fault really.

    And suddenly the whole world should have to adapt to their failures. I mean I support ipv6, but I'm not feeling very sorry for the idiots who gave them out like candy.

  • @DanielM NAT could be problematic though, with some legal requirements for being able to identify who used IP X at time Y.

  • jhadleyjhadley Member
    edited September 2012

    @jarland said: And suddenly the whole world should have to adapt to their failures. I mean I support ipv6, but I'm not feeling very sorry for the idiots who gave them out like candy.

    In all seriousness I think the largest culprit in terms of actual waste is Google for preferring that linked sites are not the on the same IP, thereby creating the need for "SEO-hosting".

    And I just picked up a new VPS for my stuff - £2.40/month per IP. Ouch!

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  • TazTaz Disabled

    @jarland said: And suddenly the whole world should have to adapt to their failures. I mean I support ipv6, but I'm not feeling very sorry for the idiots who gave them out like candy.

    Well no one knew things would become that bad. People are giving out ipv6 like candy right now. In next 30-40-50 year, you grand kids might call us Idiot when they will have to adapt ipv8 (Oh GAWD!)

    Time is good and also bad. Life is short and that is sad. Dont worry be happy thats my style. No matter what happens i won't lose my smile!

  • TazTaz Disabled

    @jhadley said: In all seriousness I think the largest culprit in terms of actual waste is Google for preferring that linked sites are not the on the same IP, thereby creating the need for "SEO-hosting".

    And I just picked up a new VPS for my stuff - £2.40/month per IP. Ouch!

    Exacto! Seo and Mail marketing (AKA Spamming).

    Time is good and also bad. Life is short and that is sad. Dont worry be happy thats my style. No matter what happens i won't lose my smile!

  • @rds100 said: NAT could be problematic though, with some legal requirements for being able to identify who used IP X at time Y

    Not sure... But i know here certain mobile networks for example share the same ip to thousands if not hundreds of thousands of users. So it's certainly possible.

  • @jarland said: And suddenly the whole world should have to adapt to their failures. I mean I support ipv6, but I'm not feeling very sorry for the idiots who gave them out like candy.

    I agree, RIPE gave out /22's and /23's to individuals. My guess is that only 40% of the allocated IPs are actually being used.

    Daniel.

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    @MrLabradoodle said: I agree, RIPE gave out /22's and /23's to individuals. My guess is that only 40% of the allocated IPs are actually being used.

    If required, they can forcefully take em back per their Policy if not making mistakes.

    Time is good and also bad. Life is short and that is sad. Dont worry be happy thats my style. No matter what happens i won't lose my smile!

  • @MrLabradoodle said: I agree, RIPE gave out /22's and /23's to individuals. My guess is that only 40% of the allocated IPs are actually being used.

    We had to request more than we needed, since IPv4 wasn't going to last forever, creating a cycle.

  • It's not VPSs, it's those hoarders and telcom companies.

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  • @jhadley said: We had to request more than we needed, since IPv4 wasn't going to last forever, creating a cycle.

    I ment to individual houses.

    Daniel.

  • @DanielM said: Not sure... But i know here certain mobile networks for example share the same ip to thousands if not hundreds of thousands of users. So it's certainly possible.

    I bet they are logging all your connections then, and storing this information for at least a year.

  • AsadHaiderAsadHaider Member
    edited September 2012

    @rds100 Definitely longer, and they need to do bandwidth accounting anyway. You can connect a mobile to VPN or use VPN while tethered.

  • Luckily got my /23 which should be enough for some time, thanks to @William <3

  • @rds100 said: I bet they are logging all your connections then, and storing this information for at least a year.

    Don't tell @DanielM that, you know he'll set his mobile phone on fire and move :P

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  • @jarland said: Don't tell @DanielM that, you know he'll set his mobile phone on fire and move :P

    haha its not the logging i care about. its the fact they mess up all the images and the css on websites.. They claim to save you bandwidth

  • trololotrololo Member
    edited September 2012

    You know what problem i have atm? I have a root (Hetzner) and i am 1 of the unlucky guys who has to have the 5.x range IP. And guess what, many providers have still blocked this IP because Hamachi uses this range. Everyone who has Hamachi installed has no connection to our ip/domain. What is ripe going to do against Hamachi because obviously that can't go on forever can it?

  • @trololo said: What is ripe going to do against Hamachi because obviously that can't go on forever can it?

    Agreed, they are using IPs which do not belong to them.

    Daniel.

  • @trololo said: You know what problem i have atm? I have a root (Hetzner) and i am 1 of the unlucky guys who has to have the 5.x range IP. And guess what, many providers have still blocked this IP because Hamachi uses this range.

    That's terrible. I had no idea that was an issue. Why would providers block this range? I admit very little interaction with Hamachi.

  • @MrLabradoodle The problem is that our root provider doesn't give a shit they won't give us a new IP (newly ordered root) without demanding 100$. They say it's not our problem its Hamachi's and Ripe's. That really pisses me off.

  • gsrdgrdghdgsrdgrdghd Member without signature

    @trololo said: What is ripe going to do against Hamachi because obviously that can't go on forever can it?

    I don't think they can do anything against Hamachi. However LogMeIn should really reconsider that and maybe move Hamachi to 10.0.0.0/8 or so.

  • MrAndroidMrAndroid Member
    edited September 2012

    @jarland said: That's terrible. I had no idea that was an issue. Why would providers block this range? I admit very little interaction with Hamachi.

    Anyone who has Hamachi installed can't connect to 5...*

    http://community.logmein.com/t5/Hamachi/Hamachi-and-the-5-0-0-0-8-netblock/td-p/55826

    Daniel.

  • @jarland indeed it is a big problem.. and since our visitors are mainly gamers the chance is very high that they have hamachi installed. The ips were blocked i think because they were just released this year (april).

  • JarJar Member
    edited September 2012

    @MrLabradoodle said: Anyone who has Hamachi installed can't connect to 5...*

    I thought he meant they were blocked by ISPs, but yeah I guess that could be quite a problem. I'd be quite upset with logmein.

  • trololotrololo Member
    edited September 2012

    @jarland we also had cases where people didn't have hamachi installed and still couldn't connect to the IP. There was no routing at all.

  • @MrLabradoodle said: I agree, RIPE gave out /22's and /23's to individuals. My guess is that only 40% of the allocated IPs are actually being used.

    Well, RIPE was never able to assign anything smaller than a /24 as PI.

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  • MrAndroidMrAndroid Member
    edited September 2012

    @William said: Well, RIPE was never able to assign anything smaller than a /24 as PI.

    Corrected, still don't see why a home would need anything other then anything more then a /28 or /27.

    Daniel.

  • TazTaz Disabled
    edited September 2012

    @MrLabradoodle said: Corrected, still don't see why a home would need anything other then anything more then a /28 or /27

    /29 would be more than enough for average home. Unless your fridge and coffee machine needs to have their own tweeter account.

    Time is good and also bad. Life is short and that is sad. Dont worry be happy thats my style. No matter what happens i won't lose my smile!

  • @MrLabradoodle said: Corrected, still don't see why a home would need anything other then anything more then a /28 or /27.

    This was not for "home" users but for anyone having VALID JUSTIFICATION, even 10 years ago it was not possible to walk up to ripe and get a /24 because you simply wanted it.

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  • TheLinuxBugTheLinuxBug Member
    edited September 2012

    @trololo said: You know what problem i have atm? I have a root (Hetzner) and i am 1 of the unlucky guys who has to have the 5.x range IP. And guess what, many providers have still blocked this IP because Hamachi uses this range. Everyone who has Hamachi installed has no connection to our ip/domain. What is ripe going to do against Hamachi because obviously that can't go on forever can it?

    I wouldn't worry too much, with LogMeIn's "screw the customer" attitude and their continued bastardization of what they want to charge people to use their crappy services, I do not imagine they will be around that much longer. I would suggest using Neorouter to anyone currently using Hamachi anyhow. Anyone who bowed down to LogMeIn and paid their ridiculous prices just to continue to have more than 5 users in a network is an idiot to being with. Not to mention, I would not be surprised if they eventually do away with their free services all together, even though they had promised users and the previous Hamachi owners they would never do this when they purchased Hamachi. (After my experiences with LogMeIn, I wouldn't use their products again if you paid me to.)

    You do however have to realize that Hamachi is a VPN product, so Hetzner has no control over what they do. They would probably just suggest you turn off Hamachi, as without it running they should be able to reach your server. If there are provider blocking it, I would have said customer send their provider an e-mail explaining that they need it unblocked, might be a pain in the butt, but they have no reason to refuse this. I also would suggest to those who are still using Hamachi that are having issues contacting your server to quickly move to Neorouter ( http://www.neorouter.com ) and abandon Hamachi anyhow.

    Good luck with figuring this out!

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  • @apollo15 said: Luckily got my /23 which should be enough for some time, thanks to @William <3

    np :)

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  • @William Going to give some IPs back? That would be nice off you :P

    I know, I'm Dale Maily.

  • @Taylor said: @William Going to give some IPs back? That would be nice off you :P

    He should share them instead :L, it's really hard to get ip's these days. the last lot i got took 2 weeks :(

  • STOP, HAMMERTIME.

    No, i won't give any IPs back, these are MINE BWAHAHAHAHA

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  • Yes, this is investment. It's like asking someone who bought a lot of gold 5 years ago to give it back now.

  • I guess it is about time to look more seriously at LIR asignment, 1-2 months back when I was looking into it, I thought I'd have enough time. Guess not so much. I can't figure if there are any mroe LIR's in here, except william@edis, who I already PMed.

  • Alex, i am afraid you are too late for this now...

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