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Skrime dirt-cheap promo NL VPS benchmark and review

jsgjsg Member, Resident Benchmarker

I recently noticed @Skrime appearing here and there and to be honest being a bit puzzled by their name (being phonetically very close to "crime"), I had a closer look at them and discovered that their promo price is quite attractive.

So I purchased one of their "EPYC 1G" cheapies (1 vC, 1 GB mem., 10 GB SSD, unlimited traffic on "fair share" 10 Gb/s) for € 1.49/mo. Note that you can get it even cheaper (€ 0.99) with only some IPv6. i.e. without an IP4.

And there we already are at my second negative experience (the first one being that they address everyone as "du", which in German by very many is considered grossly impolite): my FreeBSD installation was problematic and messy, mainly due to their template being made for IPv6 users it seems.
That said, officially their support seems to be reachable only during business hours, but on day two I fell lucky, one of their guys responded to my ticket even at about midnight!

Whatever, after some to/fro I finally managed to get my VPS installed and operational. Kudos btw for offering FreeBSD and even a half-way recent version (14.3).

Let's get at the meat, sysinfo, processor and memory first - as usual based on 30+ runs).

Version 2.5.0a, (c) 2018+ jsg (->lowendtalk.com)
Machine: amd64, Arch.: amd64, Model: AMD EPYC 7713 64-Core Processor     
OS, version: FreeBSD 14.3, Mem.: 989 MB
CPU - Cores: 1, Family/Model/Stepping: 25/1/1
Cache: 64K/64K L1d/L1i, 512K L2, 16M L3
Std. Flags: fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat
          pse36 cflsh mmx fxsr sse sse2 sse3 pclmulqdq ssse3 fma cx16 sse4_1
          sse4_2 popcnt aes xsave osxsave avx f16c rdrnd hypervisor
Ext. Flags: syscall nx mmxext fxsr_opt pdpe1gb rdtscp lm lahf_lm cmp_legacy svm
          cr8_legacy lzcnt sse4a misalignsse 3dnowprefetch osvw perfctr_core

AES? Yes
Nested Virt.? Yes
HW RNG? Yes

ProcMem SC [MB/s]: avg 209.1 - min 73.5 (35.1 %), max 355.4 (170.0 %)
ProcMem MA [MB/s]: avg 336.3 - min 324.4 (96.5 %), max 350.3 (104.2 %)
ProcMem MB [MB/s]: avg 336.1 - min 318.6 (94.8 %), max 353.0 (105.0 %)
ProcMem AES [MB/s]: avg 897.9 - min 869.6 (96.8 %), max 920.8 (102.5 %)
ProcMem RSA [kp/s]: avg 79.0 - min 73.5 (93.1 %), max 84.0 (106.3 %)

OK, An Epyc not even doing 1GB/s AES and way less than 100 RSA key pairs per second doesn't make that VPS shine. That said it manages (a beestick) over 200 MB/s single core, and let's also keep in mind that we're talking about a dirt-cheap VPS, so I won't complain. At all.

How does the disk perform?

--- Disk 4 KB - Buffered ---
Write seq. [MB/s]: avg 2.47 - min 2.09 (84.6%), max 2.75 (111.3%)
Write rnd. [MB/s]: avg 2.40 - min 2.07 (86.4%), max 2.63 (109.8%)
Read seq. [MB/s]:  avg 10.70 - min 9.05 (84.6%), max 11.89 (111.2%)
Read rnd. [MB/s]:  avg 9.24 - min 8.04 (87.0%), max 10.25 (111.0%)
--- Disk 4 KB - Sync/Direct ---
Write seq. [MB/s]: avg 2.49 - min 1.68 (67.4%), max 2.83 (113.5%)
Write rnd. [MB/s]: avg 2.47 - min 1.96 (79.5%), max 2.69 (109.1%)
Read seq. [MB/s]:  avg 10.98 - min 9.18 (83.6%), max 12.05 (109.8%)
Read rnd. [MB/s]:  avg 9.62 - min 8.69 (90.3%), max 10.75 (111.7%)

--- Disk 64 KB - Buffered ---
Write seq. [MB/s]: avg 19.14 - min 16.63 (86.9%), max 20.97 (109.6%)
Write rnd. [MB/s]: avg 22.31 - min 18.56 (83.2%), max 24.63 (110.4%)
Read seq. [MB/s]:  avg 1968.77 - min 1437.44 (73.0%), max 2218.63 (112.7%)
Read rnd. [MB/s]:  avg 122.75 - min 107.14 (87.3%), max 138.16 (112.6%)
--- Disk 64 KB - Sync/Direct ---
Write seq. [MB/s]: avg 8.52 - min 7.05 (82.7%), max 9.45 (110.9%)
Write rnd. [MB/s]: avg 6.71 - min 5.62 (83.8%), max 7.67 (114.4%)
Read seq. [MB/s]:  avg 1996.38 - min 1557.97 (78.0%), max 2293.72 (114.9%)
Read rnd. [MB/s]:  avg 117.48 - min 99.65 (84.8%), max 134.30 (114.3%)

--- Disk 1 MB - Buffered ---
Write seq. [MB/s]: avg 23.42 - min 21.29 (90.9%), max 24.95 (106.5%)
Write rnd. [MB/s]: avg 47.23 - min 39.52 (83.7%), max 51.77 (109.6%)
Read seq. [MB/s]:  avg 3273.40 - min 2600.87 (79.5%), max 3804.22 (116.2%)
Read rnd. [MB/s]:  avg 544.51 - min 504.78 (92.7%), max 597.50 (109.7%)
--- Disk 1 MB - Sync/Direct ---
Write seq. [MB/s]: avg 19.33 - min 16.77 (86.8%), max 20.97 (108.5%)
Write rnd. [MB/s]: avg 30.92 - min 24.88 (80.5%), max 34.65 (112.1%)
Read seq. [MB/s]:  avg 3392.09 - min 2922.68 (86.2%), max 3938.86 (116.1%)
Read rnd. [MB/s]:  avg 554.28 - min 448.99 (81.0%), max 624.54 (112.7%)
--- Disk IOps (Sync/Direct) ---
Write seq. [MB/s]: avg 3.83 - min 3.41 (89.1%), max 4.22 (110.3%)
IOps             : avg 979.68 - min 872.68 (89.1%), max 1080.33 (110.3%)

Oopsie. That's really mediocre, or to be more precise, the disk itself isn't that meeh but the tight node occupany tears its performance down. On the other hand the kind of stuff one puts on a small-ish dirt-cheap VPS tends to not be heavily DB driven, or in other words, IMO that thingy certainly is good enough for anything between a NS, a mid-size email server, and a not too dynamic and stressed website.

Now let's see the connectivity that thingie offers

--- Europe ---

NO OSL mirror.terrahost.no [F: 0]
  DL [Mb/s]:      avg 261.6 - min 22.2 (8.5%), max 458.4 (175.2%)
  Ping [ms]:      avg 17.8 - min 17.6 (98.8%), max 19.6 (110.0%)
  Web ping [ms]:  avg 92.2 - min 17.7 (19.2%), max 302.3 (328.0%)

UK LON lon.speedtest.clouvider.net [F: 1]
  DL [Mb/s]:      avg 479.1 - min 0.0 (0.0%), max 900.9 (188.0%)
  Ping [ms]:      avg 9.5 - min 9.2 (96.6%), max 11.9 (125.0%)
  Web ping [ms]:  avg 10.0 - min 9.3 (93.2%), max 12.5 (125.3%)

NL AMS mirrors.xtom.nl [F: 0]
  DL [Mb/s]:      avg 1262.3 - min 303.9 (24.1%), max 1560.3 (123.6%)
  Ping [ms]:      avg 4.6 - min 4.3 (94.1%), max 4.9 (107.2%)
  Web ping [ms]:  avg 12.5 - min 4.5 (35.9%), max 69.3 (553.0%)

DE FRA fra.lg.core-backbone.com [F: 1]
  DL [Mb/s]:      avg 567.1 - min 0.0 (0.0%), max 1138.9 (200.8%)
  Ping [ms]:      avg 7.3 - min 6.9 (95.0%), max 7.9 (108.8%)
  Web ping [ms]:  avg 7.4 - min 7.0 (94.1%), max 8.2 (110.2%)

FR PAR mirror.in2p3.fr [F: 0]
  DL [Mb/s]:      avg 253.0 - min 145.8 (57.6%), max 411.5 (162.7%)
  Ping [ms]:      avg 25.5 - min 25.4 (99.5%), max 25.9 (101.4%)
  Web ping [ms]:  avg 44.6 - min 25.5 (57.2%), max 79.6 (178.6%)

CH ZUR mirror.metanet.ch [F: 2]
  DL [Mb/s]:      avg 344.8 - min 0.0 (0.0%), max 551.8 (160.0%)
  Ping [ms]:      avg 15.5 - min 14.9 (96.3%), max 21.1 (136.3%)
  Web ping [ms]:  avg 24.0 - min 15.1 (62.9%), max 60.1 (250.4%)

IT TAA archlinux.mirror.server24.net [F: 0]
  DL [Mb/s]:      avg 299.0 - min 36.2 (12.1%), max 613.5 (205.1%)
  Ping [ms]:      avg 16.5 - min 16.2 (98.3%), max 19.5 (118.4%)
  Web ping [ms]:  avg 20.5 - min 16.3 (79.6%), max 43.3 (211.5%)

ES MAD mirror.raiolanetworks.com [F: 0]
  DL [Mb/s]:      avg 268.9 - min 214.4 (79.7%), max 278.5 (103.6%)
  Ping [ms]:      avg 40.0 - min 39.2 (97.9%), max 52.6 (131.3%)
  Web ping [ms]:  avg 42.8 - min 40.2 (93.8%), max 57.9 (135.1%)

RO BUC mirrors.nxthost.com [F: 0]
  DL [Mb/s]:      avg 179.9 - min 22.0 (12.2%), max 228.1 (126.8%)
  Ping [ms]:      avg 48.7 - min 48.0 (98.6%), max 49.8 (102.3%)
  Web ping [ms]:  avg 76.6 - min 48.1 (62.8%), max 301.3 (393.5%)

GR ATH ftp.otenet.gr [F: 7]
  DL [Mb/s]:      avg 140.2 - min 0.0 (0.0%), max 276.3 (197.0%)
  Ping [ms]:      avg 32.6 - min 0.0 (0.0%), max 47.0 (144.0%)
  Web ping [ms]:  avg 41.2 - min 0.0 (0.0%), max 85.2 (206.8%)

RU MOS speedtest.hostkey.ru [F: 2]
  DL [Mb/s]:      avg 178.2 - min 0.0 (0.0%), max 253.2 (142.1%)
  Ping [ms]:      avg 56.7 - min 0.0 (0.0%), max 154.2 (272.0%)
  Web ping [ms]:  avg 59.2 - min 0.0 (0.0%), max 154.2 (260.3%)

--- Asia / Oceania ---

RU SIB mirror.truenetwork.ru [F: 2]
  DL [Mb/s]:      avg 111.2 - min 0.0 (0.0%), max 129.6 (116.5%)
  Ping [ms]:      avg 89.7 - min 86.9 (96.8%), max 92.1 (102.6%)
  Web ping [ms]:  avg 115.8 - min 89.5 (77.3%), max 401.4 (346.6%)

SA RIY mirror.maeen.sa [F: 7]
  DL [Mb/s]:      avg 90.5 - min 0.0 (0.0%), max 126.4 (139.8%)
  Ping [ms]:      avg 90.3 - min 89.8 (99.5%), max 93.1 (103.2%)
  Web ping [ms]:  avg 92.1 - min 89.8 (97.5%), max 96.2 (104.5%)

IN MUM mirrors.piconets.webwerks.in [F: 3]
  DL [Mb/s]:      avg 58.0 - min 0.0 (0.0%), max 90.2 (155.5%)
  Ping [ms]:      avg 118.4 - min 117.1 (98.9%), max 127.3 (107.5%)
  Web ping [ms]:  avg 139.0 - min 117.5 (84.5%), max 194.6 (140.0%)

SG SGP mirror.sg.gs [F: 0]
  DL [Mb/s]:      avg 68.3 - min 63.2 (92.6%), max 69.8 (102.2%)
  Ping [ms]:      avg 162.2 - min 161.8 (99.8%), max 167.1 (103.0%)
  Web ping [ms]:  avg 254.0 - min 211.4 (83.2%), max 447.7 (176.2%)

CN HKG mirrors.xtom.hk [F: 0]
  DL [Mb/s]:      avg 58.1 - min 54.5 (94.0%), max 61.6 (106.2%)
  Ping [ms]:      avg 189.8 - min 186.6 (98.3%), max 191.7 (101.0%)
  Web ping [ms]:  avg 233.7 - min 199.7 (85.5%), max 316.3 (135.4%)

MY Putrajaya mirrors.gbnetwork.com [F: 0]
  DL [Mb/s]:      avg 67.7 - min 59.0 (87.1%), max 70.6 (104.2%)
  Ping [ms]:      avg 161.9 - min 161.3 (99.6%), max 172.5 (106.5%)
  Web ping [ms]:  avg 164.6 - min 161.4 (98.0%), max 191.2 (116.1%)

KH PNP mirror.sabay.com.kh [F: 4]
  DL [Mb/s]:      avg 30.8 - min 0.0 (0.0%), max 57.1 (185.6%)
  Ping [ms]:      avg 191.3 - min 0.0 (0.0%), max 203.1 (106.2%)
  Web ping [ms]:  avg 217.6 - min 0.0 (0.0%), max 268.0 (123.2%)

ID YOK mirror.citrahost.com [F: 15]
  DL [Mb/s]:      avg 25.7 - min 0.0 (0.0%), max 60.8 (236.8%)
  Ping [ms]:      avg 187.5 - min 182.4 (97.3%), max 191.7 (102.2%)
  Web ping [ms]:  avg 189.7 - min 182.4 (96.2%), max 205.1 (108.1%)

JP TOK ftp.udx.icscoe.jp [F: 0]
  DL [Mb/s]:      avg 42.3 - min 19.7 (46.6%), max 47.8 (112.9%)
  Ping [ms]:      avg 236.0 - min 232.3 (98.5%), max 251.0 (106.4%)
  Web ping [ms]:  avg 245.6 - min 232.5 (94.7%), max 257.2 (104.7%)

AU SYD mirrors.xtom.au [F: 0]
  DL [Mb/s]:      avg 41.9 - min 39.4 (94.2%), max 43.6 (104.1%)
  Ping [ms]:      avg 262.0 - min 261.5 (99.8%), max 265.4 (101.3%)
  Web ping [ms]:  avg 289.1 - min 261.5 (90.5%), max 536.7 (185.7%)

NZ UNK mirror.fsmg.org.nz [F: 10]
  DL [Mb/s]:      avg 19.6 - min 0.0 (0.0%), max 39.2 (200.5%)
  Ping [ms]:      avg 358.7 - min 280.2 (78.1%), max 373.8 (104.2%)
  Web ping [ms]:  avg 377.7 - min 280.2 (74.2%), max 514.9 (136.3%)

--- Africa ---

KE NAI mirror.liquidtelecom.com [F: 22]
  DL [Mb/s]:      avg 9.2 - min 0.0 (0.0%), max 47.3 (513.5%)
  Ping [ms]:      avg 57.4 - min 0.0 (0.0%), max 192.1 (334.7%)
  Web ping [ms]:  avg 85.0 - min 0.0 (0.0%), max 962.5 (1132.7%)

ZA WEC archlinux.za.mirror.allworldit.com [F: 4]
  DL [Mb/s]:      avg 35.0 - min 0.0 (0.0%), max 55.3 (158.1%)
  Ping [ms]:      avg 184.4 - min 183.1 (99.3%), max 187.4 (101.6%)
  Web ping [ms]:  avg 201.4 - min 183.3 (91.0%), max 266.0 (132.1%)

--- Americas ---

CA MTL speedtest.mtl2.ca.leaseweb.net [F: 0]
  DL [Mb/s]:      avg 116.6 - min 96.3 (82.6%), max 125.3 (107.4%)
  Ping [ms]:      avg 93.9 - min 91.2 (97.1%), max 135.2 (143.9%)
  Web ping [ms]:  avg 96.2 - min 91.3 (94.9%), max 135.2 (140.5%)

US NYC nyc.mirrors.clouvider.net [F: 2]
  DL [Mb/s]:      avg 85.5 - min 0.0 (0.0%), max 133.2 (155.8%)
  Ping [ms]:      avg 85.7 - min 81.1 (94.7%), max 127.7 (149.1%)
  Web ping [ms]:  avg 86.5 - min 81.8 (94.6%), max 127.7 (147.7%)

US ASH ash.speedtest.clouvider.net [F: 1]
  DL [Mb/s]:      avg 72.0 - min 0.0 (0.0%), max 119.7 (166.2%)
  Ping [ms]:      avg 109.2 - min 98.1 (89.8%), max 145.0 (132.8%)
  Web ping [ms]:  avg 109.2 - min 98.1 (89.8%), max 145.0 (132.8%)

US WDC speedtest.wdc2.us.leaseweb.net [F: 2]
  DL [Mb/s]:      avg 78.8 - min 0.0 (0.0%), max 120.2 (152.5%)
  Ping [ms]:      avg 111.3 - min 100.6 (90.4%), max 209.6 (188.3%)
  Web ping [ms]:  avg 111.6 - min 100.7 (90.2%), max 209.6 (187.8%)

US PIB mirror.pit.teraswitch.com [F: 0]
  DL [Mb/s]:      avg 100.8 - min 58.5 (58.1%), max 126.1 (125.1%)
  Ping [ms]:      avg 88.1 - min 87.4 (99.2%), max 94.2 (106.9%)
  Web ping [ms]:  avg 91.5 - min 87.7 (95.9%), max 94.5 (103.3%)

US MIA speedtest.mia11.us.leaseweb.net [F: 2]
  DL [Mb/s]:      avg 67.2 - min 0.0 (0.0%), max 103.0 (153.3%)
  Ping [ms]:      avg 113.0 - min 110.0 (97.3%), max 119.5 (105.7%)
  Web ping [ms]:  avg 113.5 - min 110.6 (97.4%), max 119.5 (105.3%)

US CHI mirrors.gigenet.com [F: 0]
  DL [Mb/s]:      avg 111.1 - min 105.1 (94.6%), max 114.7 (103.3%)
  Ping [ms]:      avg 98.5 - min 97.4 (98.8%), max 106.5 (108.1%)
  Web ping [ms]:  avg 100.2 - min 97.4 (97.2%), max 126.7 (126.5%)

US ATL atl.speedtest.clouvider.net [F: 0]
  DL [Mb/s]:      avg 80.9 - min 47.3 (58.5%), max 114.7 (141.8%)
  Ping [ms]:      avg 101.2 - min 98.3 (97.2%), max 109.9 (108.6%)
  Web ping [ms]:  avg 107.9 - min 99.7 (92.4%), max 124.0 (114.9%)

US PHO speedtest.phx1.us.leaseweb.net [F: 1]
  DL [Mb/s]:      avg 67.8 - min 0.0 (0.0%), max 75.8 (111.8%)
  Ping [ms]:      avg 154.8 - min 149.6 (96.6%), max 160.3 (103.5%)
  Web ping [ms]:  avg 156.5 - min 149.6 (95.6%), max 161.9 (103.4%)

US LAX speedtest.lax12.us.leaseweb.net [F: 0]
  DL [Mb/s]:      avg 69.9 - min 53.9 (77.2%), max 74.6 (106.8%)
  Ping [ms]:      avg 151.3 - min 0.0 (0.0%), max 160.0 (105.7%)
  Web ping [ms]:  avg 151.5 - min 0.0 (0.0%), max 161.0 (106.3%)

US SJO mirrors.xtom.us [F: 0]
  DL [Mb/s]:      avg 74.5 - min 72.3 (97.0%), max 76.7 (102.9%)
  Ping [ms]:      avg 150.6 - min 148.0 (98.3%), max 194.7 (129.3%)
  Web ping [ms]:  avg 151.6 - min 148.0 (97.6%), max 194.7 (128.4%)

US SEA speedtest.sea11.us.leaseweb.net [F: 3]
  DL [Mb/s]:      avg 69.5 - min 0.0 (0.0%), max 84.3 (121.4%)
  Ping [ms]:      avg 137.3 - min 135.9 (99.0%), max 143.1 (104.2%)
  Web ping [ms]:  avg 138.1 - min 136.2 (98.6%), max 144.7 (104.8%)

BR SPA mirrors.ic.unicamp.br [F: 0]
  DL [Mb/s]:      avg 46.4 - min 31.7 (68.3%), max 49.6 (106.9%)
  Ping [ms]:      avg 230.4 - min 225.6 (97.9%), max 240.8 (104.5%)
  Web ping [ms]:  avg 230.8 - min 225.6 (97.7%), max 240.8 (104.3%)

BR CUR archlinux.c3sl.ufpr.br [F: 1]
  DL [Mb/s]:      avg 36.2 - min 0.0 (0.0%), max 48.1 (132.9%)
  Ping [ms]:      avg 228.8 - min 226.8 (99.1%), max 238.4 (104.2%)
  Web ping [ms]:  avg 232.1 - min 227.2 (97.9%), max 244.3 (105.3%)

EC QUI mirror.linux.ec [F: 0]
  DL [Mb/s]:      avg 63.9 - min 44.5 (69.6%), max 71.3 (111.6%)
  Ping [ms]:      avg 163.4 - min 157.7 (96.5%), max 181.8 (111.2%)
  Web ping [ms]:  avg 281.8 - min 165.3 (58.7%), max 611.4 (217.0%)

CL SAN elmirror.cl [F: 1]
  DL [Mb/s]:      avg 37.5 - min 0.0 (0.0%), max 52.1 (139.0%)
  Ping [ms]:      avg 216.0 - min 208.8 (96.7%), max 255.3 (118.2%)
  Web ping [ms]:  avg 268.0 - min 210.6 (78.6%), max 389.5 (145.3%)

Europe - Actually quite good. Multi-hundreds Mb/s pretty much across Europe.

Asia / Oceania - I'll put it like this: up to Riyadh quite nice, webwerks in Mumbai is surprisingly weak, SGP and HKG are acceptable, China mainland seems to be basically not existing, Cambodhia and Indonesia are poor, Japan isn't great either, and Ozyyland isn't bad unlike Kiwiland.
TL;DR If you need good connectivity to Asia, this VPS probably is not a good choice.

Africa - somewhat worse than the usual.

Americas - CA, Montreal, Pittsburg, Chicago really good, the West-Coast OK, and anything in between acceptable though not great.
South-America surprisingly OK-ish

Summary/verdict: Normally I wouldn't be impressed, but this isn't your normal VPS, this is a dirt-cheap one and considering that it comes with kind of (and partially really) decent connectivity, unlimited traffic, plus DDOS protection on top, it's a clear case of recommended!

The grain of salt is that this "recommended" is valid only for this cheapie. Their other VPSs aren't recommended material considering bang per buck.

More of a btw side note: I won't keep mine mostly due to their mindless and stubborn "du" zealotry - but as a reviewer I must and want to be objective and fair, hence the "recommended".

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Comments

  • forestforest Member
    edited September 24

    @jsg said: More of a btw side note: I won't keep mine mostly due to their mindless and stubborn "du" zealotry - but as a reviewer I must and want to be objective and fair, hence the "recommended".

    In what way is using du mindless zealotry? Could that just be a cultural difference? Germany is large, and at worst I'd think that would seem just a little too familiar and informal, but not grossly impolite.

  • jsgjsg Member, Resident Benchmarker
    edited September 24

    @forest said:

    @jsg said: More of a btw side note: I won't keep mine mostly due to their mindless and stubborn "du" zealotry - but as a reviewer I must and want to be objective and fair, hence the "recommended".

    In what way is using du mindless zealotry? Could that just be a cultural difference? Germany is large, and at worst I'd think that would seem just a little too familiar and informal, but not grossly impolite.

    I guess it depends on cultural background. I happened to grow up in a family which valued culture as in "being and acting cultivated", so I'd never address a stranger as "du" (in particular not with a non-capital 'D'), but that's not really my core point.
    My point is a mix of two, (a) "anglophilia" up to the point of basically being an obedient servant trying to copy what and how the "master" does, and (b) a company desiring to sell me something but obviously in the face basically telling me "we don't care about what you want, WE make the rules!" regarding things not relating to the business ... get exactly what they deserve, nothing from me. In fact I thought about making or not making this review, but in the end I put my view to the rear and did what I consider serving the community.

    But let's not deepen that side-issue, after all this thread is about my benchmark and review ...

  • SKRIMESKRIME Member, Patron Provider

    Hey @jsg,

    Thanks for the thorough review.

    On the disk write numbers, that isn't something we're currently seeing on our side. If you send over your product ID we're happy to look at the node directly and see what's going on.

    Glad the connectivity held up well across Europe, and thanks for the recommendation.

  • @forest said:

    @jsg said: More of a btw side note: I won't keep mine mostly due to their mindless and stubborn "du" zealotry - but as a reviewer I must and want to be objective and fair, hence the "recommended".

    In what way is using du mindless zealotry? Could that just be a cultural difference? Germany is large, and at worst I'd think that would seem just a little too familiar and informal, but not grossly impolite.

    it is impolite to use "du" to address someone you dont know. Now granted "kids these days" do whatever. But this crap has gone through too many places. My god damn isp is one of those cunts that constantly throw it at me BUT on invoices and ONLY on invoices, they find their proper words and act like normal adult people would. You run up against a wall as well. The funnier shit is that they "pledged" to address people like they would like and ive told them, multiple times, to stop that "du" shit as im not their friend.

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  • Is this "du" thing the German equivalent of "usted" vs "tu" in Spanish?

  • @deafcon said:
    Is this "du" thing the German equivalent of "usted" vs "tu" in Spanish?

    My spanish knowledge is hot garbage but I'm highly inclined to answer with yes

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  • @Mainfrezzer said:

    @deafcon said:
    Is this "du" thing the German equivalent of "usted" vs "tu" in Spanish?

    My spanish knowledge is hot garbage but I'm highly inclined to answer with yes

    You should eat some quesito or cotija. Maybe the power of cheese can improve your Spanish.

  • @jsg said:

    @forest said:

    @jsg said: More of a btw side note: I won't keep mine mostly due to their mindless and stubborn "du" zealotry - but as a reviewer I must and want to be objective and fair, hence the "recommended".

    In what way is using du mindless zealotry? Could that just be a cultural difference? Germany is large, and at worst I'd think that would seem just a little too familiar and informal, but not grossly impolite.

    I guess it depends on cultural background. I happened to grow up in a family which valued culture as in "being and acting cultivated", so I'd never address a stranger as "du" (in particular not with a non-capital 'D'), but that's not really my core point.

    Yes, jsg is well known as a man of culture.

    My point is a mix of two, (a) "anglophilia" up to the point of basically being an obedient servant trying to copy what and how the "master" does, and (b) a company desiring to sell me something but obviously in the face basically telling me "we don't care about what you want, WE make the rules!" regarding things not relating to the business ... get exactly what they deserve, nothing from me. In fact I thought about making or not making this review, but in the end I put my view to the rear and did what I consider serving the community.

    But let's not deepen that side-issue, after all this thread is about my benchmark and review ...

    Looks like "du" successfully filters out the snowflakes with irrational issues. Smart.

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    holy shit guys come on

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