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Input needed for project; 'webhosting on the darkweb'

dbadudedbadude Member

Any experience hosting on the darkweb? Are there easy methods to host on the dark web? And what search engines are there on the darkweb?

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  • allthemtingsallthemtings Member, Megathread Squad
  • forestforest Member
    edited August 25

    @dbadude said:
    Any experience hosting on the darkweb? Are there easy methods to host on the dark web?

    Assuming you mean Tor onion services, It's pretty trivial. Install Tor and put the following in your /etc/tor/torrc:

    SocksPort 0
    HiddenServiceDir "/var/lib/tor/mysite"
    HiddenServicePort 80
    Sandbox 1
    NoExec 1
    

    Now restart Tor. A file /var/lib/tor/mysite/hostname should appear. That contains the onion domain of your "dark web" site. Only people who know that domain will be able to connect, and only with Tor browser. For it to actually do anything, install your favorite httpd and set up your website like normal, but have it listen on 127.0.0.1:80.

    Ta da! You're hosting something on the "dark web". As long as you do nothing stupid, no one with just access to the onion domain will be able to find the real IP of your server.

    @dbadude said: And what search engines are there on the darkweb?

    Ahmia: https://ahmia.fi/ (http://juhanurmihxlp77nkq76byazcldy2hlmovfu2epvl5ankdibsot4csyd.onion/)

    Of course it only sees domains that the site owners published (so mostly scams). By design it's unable to actually search everything. It's also heavily censored (for example, all adult content is censored, not only illegal adult content).

  • @dbadude said: And what search engines are there on the darkweb?

    Nothing, only a few indexing sites, similar to yellow pages.
    The idea is that nobody can randomly find your site unless they know the address.
    You didn't specify if Tor or I2P, but the idea is similar.

  • @luckypenguin said:

    @dbadude said: And what search engines are there on the darkweb?

    Nothing, only a few indexing sites, similar to yellow pages.
    The idea is that nobody can randomly find your site unless they know the address.
    You didn't specify if Tor or I2P, but the idea is similar.

    Anything darkweb i am interrested in. I2P i didnt know. As the darkweb is a kind of decentralised it brings back the old internet spirit. Where you assumed communication was private.

  • @forest said:

    @dbadude said:
    Any experience hosting on the darkweb? Are there easy methods to host on the dark web?

    Assuming you mean Tor onion services, It's pretty trivial. Install Tor and put the following in your /etc/tor/torrc:

    SocksPort 0
    HiddenServiceDir "/var/lib/tor/mysite"
    HiddenServicePort 80
    Sandbox 1
    NoExec 1
    

    Now restart Tor. A file /var/lib/tor/mysite/hostname should appear. That contains the onion domain of your "dark web" site. Only people who know that domain will be able to connect, and only with Tor browser. For it to actually do anything, install your favorite httpd and set up your website like normal, but have it listen on 127.0.0.1:80.

    Ta da! You're hosting something on the "dark web". As long as you do nothing stupid, no one with just access to the onion domain will be able to find the real IP of your server.

    @dbadude said: And what search engines are there on the darkweb?

    Ahmia: https://ahmia.fi/ (http://juhanurmihxlp77nkq76byazcldy2hlmovfu2epvl5ankdibsot4csyd.onion/)

    Of course it only sees domains that the site owners published (so mostly scams). By design it's unable to actually search everything. It's also heavily censored (for example, all adult content is censored, not only illegal adult content).

    When the onion address is public is it possible the find its ip address?

  • forestforest Member

    @dbadude said:

    @forest said:

    @dbadude said:
    Any experience hosting on the darkweb? Are there easy methods to host on the dark web?

    Assuming you mean Tor onion services, It's pretty trivial. Install Tor and put the following in your /etc/tor/torrc:

    SocksPort 0
    HiddenServiceDir "/var/lib/tor/mysite"
    HiddenServicePort 80
    Sandbox 1
    NoExec 1
    

    Now restart Tor. A file /var/lib/tor/mysite/hostname should appear. That contains the onion domain of your "dark web" site. Only people who know that domain will be able to connect, and only with Tor browser. For it to actually do anything, install your favorite httpd and set up your website like normal, but have it listen on 127.0.0.1:80.

    Ta da! You're hosting something on the "dark web". As long as you do nothing stupid, no one with just access to the onion domain will be able to find the real IP of your server.

    @dbadude said: And what search engines are there on the darkweb?

    Ahmia: https://ahmia.fi/ (http://juhanurmihxlp77nkq76byazcldy2hlmovfu2epvl5ankdibsot4csyd.onion/)

    Of course it only sees domains that the site owners published (so mostly scams). By design it's unable to actually search everything. It's also heavily censored (for example, all adult content is censored, not only illegal adult content).

    When the onion address is public is it possible the find its ip address?

    Nope. The onion address gives Tor users a way to connect to the site without needing to know its IP.

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  • luckypenguinluckypenguin Member
    edited August 25

    @dbadude said: the old internet spirit. Where you assumed communication was private

    Communication was less private on the "old" internet when you generally think about it, the concept of E2EE didn't exist and only banks had SSLv2. FTP was the standard way to move files, email was sent over plaintext, and so on.

  • forestforest Member

    @dbadude said: Anything darkweb i am interrested in. I2P i didnt know. As the darkweb is a kind of decentralised it brings back the old internet spirit.

    There's also Freenet (Hyphanet): https://www.hyphanet.org/

    I run several nodes.

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  • MannDudeMannDude Patron Provider, Veteran

    Whatever it is, assuming it's normal "regular everyday content" and not just more scam, csam, fraud, illegal marketplace bullshit: Mirror it to I2P and Yggdrasil as well.

    Would love to see more everyday normal content on alternative networks. Blogs, tech stuff, reading, forums that are for just random hobbies and cool informational websites. Unfortunately, and I may catch some flack for this, I'd say 90% of the content is garbage and for garbage people.

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  • forestforest Member
    edited August 25

    @MannDude said: Unfortunately, and I may catch some flack for this, I'd say 90% of the content is garbage and for garbage people.

    Sadly true. It's 95% clone scam sites since one person can spin up tens of thousands of similar domains that all link to each other. I blame YouTube for the idea that the "dark web" is even a thing.

    In terms of number of distinct domains, it's mostly cloned fraud/scam bullshit. In terms of traffic, it's mostly legitimate and legal (mainly DuckDuckGo, Facebook, Reddit, and other large sites that have onion domains).

    Outside of the west, activist content is pretty common too.

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  • @MannDude said:
    Whatever it is, assuming it's normal "regular everyday content" and not just more scam, csam, fraud, illegal marketplace bullshit: Mirror it to I2P and Yggdrasil as well.

    Would love to see more everyday normal content on alternative networks. Blogs, tech stuff, reading, forums that are for just random hobbies and cool informational websites. Unfortunately, and I may catch some flack for this, I'd say 90% of the content is garbage and for garbage people.

    Yeah but i remember the beginning of internet was also about 80% of the traffic was only porn related. So nothing much changed about trash content.

  • luckypenguinluckypenguin Member
    edited August 25

    @dbadude said: Yeah but i remember the beginning of internet was also about 80% of the traffic was only porn related

    This started to happen much, much later. Adult sites wasn't even a thing until the early 2000s. This was a very SFW place in the beginning, because you could only host things
    on boxes that were directly tied to your identity in one way or another.
    If it falls in the legal category - you don't need to host it on Tor/I2P.

  • MannDudeMannDude Patron Provider, Veteran
    edited August 25

    @forest said:

    @MannDude said: Unfortunately, and I may catch some flack for this, I'd say 90% of the content is garbage and for garbage people.

    Sadly true. It's 95% clone scam sites since one person can spin up tens of thousands of similar domains that all link to each other. I blame YouTube for the idea that the "dark web" is even a thing.

    In terms of number of distinct domains, it's mostly bullshit. In terms of traffic, it's mostly legitimate and legal (mainly DuckDuckGo, Facebook, Reddit, and other large sites that have onion domains).

    Outside of the west, activist content is pretty common too.

    Yeah. When I first started IncogNET, then, IncogHost, it was just shared hosting with I2P/Tor mirroring as an option. The idea was I just wanted to mirror "normal, everyday content" to alternative networks to strengthen their legitimacy. I want to be able to use Tor/I2P for all my daily needs. Checking the news, the weather, maybe some online shit-posting, some hobby stuff, etc.

    Turns out, hardly anyone was interested in it and all my custom little DirectAdmin tweaks would always break or cause random conflicts with updates for those who did opt-in for it.

    I did do another non-production revision of it in the last year or two that was drastically better. Basically just mirrored the data to a second, separate server away from DA for Tor/I2P/Yggdrasil but like many things I do nowadays I get a strong proof of concept made up but lack the energy or time to make it really production ready. Was certainly a better stack/setup and more easily maintainable.

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  • forestforest Member

    @luckypenguin said: If it falls in the legal category - you don't need to host it on Tor/I2P.

    Not true. There are plenty of legal things I wouldn't want associated with me which I would legitimately use Tor for.

    Thanked by 2rpqu tux
  • @luckypenguin said:

    @dbadude said: Yeah but i remember the beginning of internet was also about 80% of the traffic was only porn related

    This started to happen much, much later. Adult sites wasn't even a thing until the early 2000s. This was a very SFW place in the beginning, because you could only host things
    on boxes that were directly tied to your identity in one way or another.
    If it falls in the legal category - you don't need to host it on Tor/I2P.

    I was employe of an ISP and i can tell you in 1997 at least 80% was porn.

  • @forest said: Not true. There are plenty of legal things I wouldn't want associated with me which I would legitimately use Tor for.

    As a client or as a content hoster?
    Because as a content hoster, a simple no-KYC service will do, if the content is acceptable
    by the provider's AUP. I think @MannDude is a good example of such provider.
    This way you don't limit your audience to a separated network, which requires more setup

  • forestforest Member

    @luckypenguin said:

    @forest said: Not true. There are plenty of legal things I wouldn't want associated with me which I would legitimately use Tor for.

    As a client or as a content hoster?
    Because as a content hoster, a simple no-KYC service will do, if the content is acceptable
    by the provider's AUP. I think @MannDude is a good example of such provider.
    This way you don't limit your audience to a separated network, which requires more setup

    As either. And there is a lot of content that is legal but which most hosters won't touch with a 10 foot poll.

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  • TailsOS + OnionShare = the easiest .onion website.

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  • yoursunnyyoursunny Member, IPv6 Advocate

    Turn on Onion Routing and your website shows up in darknet.
    https://developers.cloudflare.com/network/onion-routing/

    Thanked by 1dbadude
  • slowserversslowservers Member, Host Rep

    It's pretty easy to host on Tor or i2p.

    For a directory, a "hidden wiki" usually does pretty well. (zqktlwiuavvvqqt4ybvgvi7tyo4hjl5xgfuvpdf6otjiycgwqbym2qad.onion is one of them.)

    Also, there's dark.fail, but there's not a whole lot of sites on there.

    Thanked by 1dbadude
  • forestforest Member

    @yoursunny said:
    Turn on Onion Routing and your website shows up in darknet.
    https://developers.cloudflare.com/network/onion-routing/

    That just uses the alt-svc header for your normal website. It technically uses Tor's onion routing, but it gives your site none of the anonymity protections that are often needed. Plus it's Cloudflare hosting the onion, not you.

  • @luckypenguin said:

    @dbadude said: Yeah but i remember the beginning of internet was also about 80% of the traffic was only porn related

    This started to happen much, much later. Adult sites wasn't even a thing until the early 2000s.

    Wut? You young, bro?

  • forestforest Member
    edited August 25

    @TimboJones said:

    @luckypenguin said:

    @dbadude said: Yeah but i remember the beginning of internet was also about 80% of the traffic was only porn related

    This started to happen much, much later. Adult sites wasn't even a thing until the early 2000s.

    Wut? You young, bro?

    Probably depends on what he means by "adult sites". Embedded video streaming? Sure. But Usenet was around before then and people shared erotic stories, binaries (containing images and image sets), etc. Hell, there were "pornographic directories" before TCP/IP was even a thing. Back then, pornographic JPEGs had phone numbers on them that people would dial into to access the directory it came from. Plenty of tech-illiterate teenagers of the day would try to call those numbers in hopes that it would lead to a spicy talk with the girl in the photo, only to be greeted by harsh (or less harsh in the 80s) modem noises.

  • TimboJonesTimboJones Member
    edited August 25

    @forest said:

    @TimboJones said:

    @luckypenguin said:

    @dbadude said: Yeah but i remember the beginning of internet was also about 80% of the traffic was only porn related

    This started to happen much, much later. Adult sites wasn't even a thing until the early 2000s.

    Wut? You young, bro?

    Probably depends on what he means by "adult sites". Embedded video streaming? Sure. But Usenet was around before then and people shared erotic stories, binaries (containing images and image sets), etc. Hell, there were "pornographic directories" before TCP/IP was even a thing. Back then, pornographic JPEGs had phone numbers on them that people would dial into to access the directory it came from. Plenty of tech-illiterate teenagers of the day would try to call those numbers in hopes that it would lead to a spicy talk with the girl in the photo, only to be greeted by harsh (or less harsh in the 80s) modem noises.

    If he only found porn in the 2000's, he missed the era of the jpg loading line by line from the top down taking 10+ seconds per pic. The disappointment when it got to the tits and they were naked.

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  • deafcondeafcon Member
    edited August 26

    @luckypenguin said:

    @dbadude said: Yeah but i remember the beginning of internet was also about 80% of the traffic was only porn related

    This started to happen much, much later. Adult sites wasn't even a thing until the early 2000s. This was a very SFW place in the beginning, because you could only host things
    on boxes that were directly tied to your identity in one way or another.
    If it falls in the legal category - you don't need to host it on Tor/I2P.

    That all depends on how you define adult sites. I probably downloaded my first nudie pics from Usenet in 96 or 97.

    EDIT: I see forest and Timbo beat me to the punch.

  • @deafcon said:

    @luckypenguin said:

    @dbadude said: Yeah but i remember the beginning of internet was also about 80% of the traffic was only porn related

    This started to happen much, much later. Adult sites wasn't even a thing until the early 2000s. This was a very SFW place in the beginning, because you could only host things
    on boxes that were directly tied to your identity in one way or another.
    If it falls in the legal category - you don't need to host it on Tor/I2P.

    That all depends on how you define adult sites. I probably downloaded my first nudie pics from Usenet in 96 or 97.

    EDIT: I see forest and Timbo beat me to the punch.

    Downloading Pamela's leaked avi video with her rockstar friend took hours to download. Video was kind of impossible that time, unless your were very very patient or had access to the internet backbone. The closest to online video were short gifs with pornstars repeating a task over and over again.

  • @forest said:

    @MannDude said: Unfortunately, and I may catch some flack for this, I'd say 90% of the content is garbage and for garbage people.

    Sadly true. It's 95% clone scam sites since one person can spin up tens of thousands of similar domains that all link to each other. I blame YouTube for the idea that the "dark web" is even a thing.

    In terms of number of distinct domains, it's mostly cloned fraud/scam bullshit. In terms of traffic, it's mostly legitimate and legal (mainly DuckDuckGo, Facebook, Reddit, and other large sites that have onion domains).

    Outside of the west, activist content is pretty common too.

    I think alternative web(darkweb) will grow in west more and more. Especially when west is run by fake liberalists. Liberal for only a few. Say 'meehhhhh' sheep.

  • @forest said:

    @dbadude said: Anything darkweb i am interrested in. I2P i didnt know. As the darkweb is a kind of decentralised it brings back the old internet spirit.

    There's also Freenet (Hyphanet): https://www.hyphanet.org/

    I run several nodes.

    What don’t you run?

  • dbadudedbadude Member
    edited August 26

    @barbarza said:

    @forest said:

    @dbadude said: Anything darkweb i am interrested in. I2P i didnt know. As the darkweb is a kind of decentralised it brings back the old internet spirit.

    There's also Freenet (Hyphanet): https://www.hyphanet.org/

    I run several nodes.

    What don’t you run?

    He's probably making sure he doesnt have any iddlers left. 100% CPU utilization optimization. I like 20% utilization, but hey i am a database man. Application server administrators like 50 to 80%

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