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[Latest DRAMA] WP Engine is banned from using WordPress.org as from September 25th

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  • ACARROTACARROT Member

    Great 'matter-of-fact' style writeup with citations I found online if anyone isn't caught up with the drama

    https://gist.github.com/adrienne/aea9dd7ca19c8985157d9c42f7fc225d

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  • egororegoror Member

    DictatorPress

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  • jsgjsg Member, Resident Benchmarker

    @Shamli said:
    Probably the other way,investor have too much control and pushed him too much, and this is the way he is retaliating...asking people to fork wordpress by making him/company look bad...as he is trying to down the company...just another of my speculation...highly probably not true at all...

    Also a possibility, yes. But this clearly doesn't feel like it but more like a psycho on a war path, possibly with one shareholder (quietely) on his side but the rest increasingly unhappy.
    That said it's of course a possibility that he has a potential big investor who wants the company "cleaned" and trimmed down before putting money on the table. But if that were the case the WP asshole would play a dangerous lottery.

  • vpsamvpsam Member

    @JasonM said:
    Lot's of vacant job offers in Automattic/WP now!!!
    People should join them (those who don't want to get into WPE-Automattic BS drama)

    Including "Hapiness Engineers" :D

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  • jsgjsg Member, Resident Benchmarker
    edited October 19

    @vpsam said:

    @JasonM said:
    Lot's of vacant job offers in Automattic/WP now!!!
    People should join them (those who don't want to get into WPE-Automattic BS drama)

    Including "Hapiness Engineers" :D

    Welcome to the asshole's , uhm ... dictator's woke rainbow unicorn empire - incl. of bloody course DEI! (while corporations increasingly let go their super woke DEI teams ...)

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  • xaocxaoc Member

    @jsg said:

    @vpsam said:

    @JasonM said:
    Lot's of vacant job offers in Automattic/WP now!!!
    People should join them (those who don't want to get into WPE-Automattic BS drama)

    Including "Hapiness Engineers" :D

    Welcome to the asshole's , uhm ... dictator's woke rainbow unicorn empire - incl. of bloody course DEI! (while corporations increasingly let go their super woke DEI teams ...)

    A putler-lover™ talking about dictators, how cute. 🤢

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  • nikozinnikozin Member

    The way I see it, WP is being arm twisted by powerful folks, Wordpress offers a platform for anyone to publish online, if WP gets compromised it will be a direct hit on free speech and press freedom.

  • ArkasArkas Moderator

    I don't care about your political views. THIS IS NOT where to post them. That's for everyone, no matter what side you are on.

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  • egororegoror Member

    @nikozin said:
    The way I see it, WP is being arm twisted by powerful folks, Wordpress offers a platform for anyone to publish online, if WP gets compromised it will be a direct hit on free speech and press freedom.

    These are unrelated. WP going down will probably be even better for market and competition.

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  • eva2000eva2000 Veteran

    Wow didn't realise it was worse than reported https://antimattic.net/index.php/2024/10/19/get-the-f-out-baby-please-dont-go/

    Basically, Matt hasn't replied to staff wanting to leave and never confirmed if he accepted their offer - leaving staff in limbo! Now prioritizating new hiring to meet workload demands and just leaving those that want to leave without a confirmation if Matt will honour the offer! Seems he's short staffed at Automattic now after folks that left!

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  • egororegoror Member

    What a clown

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  • jsgjsg Member, Resident Benchmarker
    edited October 21

    Frankly I think that asshole-clown is a clear case of lead-deficiency ...

    OTOH I actually like what I see. Which is a "how to successfully suicide an entity" guide and - certainly not by coincidence - strictly following woke behaviour.

    Enjoy the "WP lite" ! *lol

  • TimboJonesTimboJones Member

    @vpsam said:

    @JasonM said:
    Lot's of vacant job offers in Automattic/WP now!!!
    People should join them (those who don't want to get into WPE-Automattic BS drama)

    Including "Hapiness Engineers" :D

    I hope they get sued for that. That's like Trump University level dumb.

  • eva2000eva2000 Veteran
    edited October 26

    Another WordPress core contributor stopping their contributions https://thefragens.com/wordpress-on-hiatus/

    Locking down WordPress Camp social media accounts too https://x.com/takisbig/status/1850059253119140126?t=NzfJsCX-Nj13VLHgwy1zRg&s=19

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  • vikramvikram Member

    WP Engine documented their side of events spanning September 23 - October 18, 2024 https://wpengine.com/blog/ensuring-stability-and-security/

  • egororegoror Member

    @eva2000 said: Locking down WordPress Camp social media accounts too https://x.com/takisbig/status/1850059253119140126?t=NzfJsCX-Nj13VLHgwy1zRg&s=19

    Looks like they are assembling everything WP-related in one man's hands. Matt might be seeking to stop playing the "non-profit foundation" shenaningans and transform WP to for-profit now that everyone found out "foundation" is actually him anyway.

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  • lonealonea Member, Host Rep
    edited October 28

    @vikram said: WP Engine documented their side of events spanning September 23 - October 18, 2024 https://wpengine.com/blog/ensuring-stability-and-security/

    I don't know why anyone would waste time on reading the timeline pushed out by WPE.

    They contributed nothing to the WP ecosystem other than sell hosting service that is relying on the brand "Wordpress" that they do not own. Also, nothing is a understatement.

    They also made half a billion from it...

  • jsgjsg Member, Resident Benchmarker
    edited October 28

    From @lonea's profile:

    Roles Member, Host Rep Do you own, operate, or work for a hosting provider? No

    (emphasis mine)

    ??? (Flagged myself to trigger a check because there seems to be a mistake/inconsistency)

  • egororegoror Member

    @lonea said: contributed nothing to the WP ecosystem

    It's not true

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  • M66BM66B Veteran

    @lonea said:

    @vikram said: WP Engine documented their side of events spanning September 23 - October 18, 2024 https://wpengine.com/blog/ensuring-stability-and-security/

    I don't know why anyone would waste time on reading the timeline pushed out by WPE.

    They contributed nothing to the WP ecosystem other than sell hosting service that is relying on the brand "Wordpress" that they do not own. Also, nothing is a understatement.

    They also made half a billion from it...

    Even if they didn't contribute anything, should they contribute something? The GPLv2 license doesn't say anything about mandatory contributions in any case:

    https://wordpress.org/about/license/

    So, you can have an opinion about whether they should contribute something, but they don't have to contribute something, independent of how much money they earn with WordPress.

    There are plenty of routers and access points using the Linux kernel. There is a significant chance they are part of your infrastructure as well, and perhaps you are even earning money with them. Did you contribute to the development of the Linux kernel?

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  • egororegoror Member
    edited October 28

    @M66B said: if they didn't contribute anything

    Their biggest and most notable contribution to the community is a plugin, ACF, that Matt forcibly forked now and renamed to SCF. I think i will not be wrong with the claim that plugin is so widespread and adds so much to WP core experience that it's used (almost) by everyone.
    Also WPE does some other plugins.

    From WPE timeline:

    On October 12, WordPress.org forcibly took control of our Advanced Custom 
Fields (ACF) plugin, marking the first time in WordPress’s 21-year history that 
a plugin under active development was taken over without consent.
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  • lonealonea Member, Host Rep

    @M66B said: Even if they didn't contribute anything, should they contribute something? The GPLv2 license doesn't say anything about mandatory contributions in any case:

    https://wordpress.org/about/license/

    So, you can have an opinion about whether they should contribute something, but they don't have to contribute something, independent of how much money they earn with WordPress.

    There are plenty of routers and access points using the Linux kernel. There is a significant chance they are part of your infrastructure as well, and perhaps you are even earning money with them. Did you contribute to the development of the Linux kernel?

    You missed my point completely.

    They are trying to sell their service, thus making their "timeline" a worthless read.

  • lonealonea Member, Host Rep

    @egoror said: It's not true

    >

    Not true in terms of their sole business model is based off of someone else's product, or.... ?

  • M66BM66B Veteran

    @lonea said:

    @M66B said: Even if they didn't contribute anything, should they contribute something? The GPLv2 license doesn't say anything about mandatory contributions in any case:

    https://wordpress.org/about/license/

    So, you can have an opinion about whether they should contribute something, but they don't have to contribute something, independent of how much money they earn with WordPress.

    There are plenty of routers and access points using the Linux kernel. There is a significant chance they are part of your infrastructure as well, and perhaps you are even earning money with them. Did you contribute to the development of the Linux kernel?

    You missed my point completely.

    They are trying to sell their service, thus making their "timeline" a worthless read.

    What's wrong about them trying to sell their service?

  • egororegoror Member

    @lonea said: Not true in terms of their sole business model is based off of someone else's product, or.... ?

    Not true in terms of them not contributing anything back.

    Also as someone else has already noticed, it is not forbidden and is fully ethically acceptable to use GPL product as a foundation for own business model.

  • M66BM66B Veteran

    @lonea said:

    @egoror said: It's not true

    >

    Not true in terms of their sole business model is based off of someone else's product, or.... ?

    Whose product? That of Matt of decades ago, or the GPLv2 licensed community product, free to use for whatever you want?

  • egororegoror Member

    @lonea said: They are trying to sell their service

    Matt's WP.com is also selling their service.

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  • lonealonea Member, Host Rep

    @egoror said: Their biggest and most notable contribution to the community is a plugin, ACF, that Matt forcibly forked now and renamed to SCF. I think i will not be wrong with the claim that plugin is so widespread and adds so much to WP core experience that it's used (almost) by everyone.

    Also WPE does some other plugins.

    From WPE timeline:

    WPE can certainly fork off the WP core can call it WPEWP and be completely out of WPF's legal reach.

    But of course that will cost them money and they just want to ride the coattail of another company's free product...

  • egororegoror Member

    @M66B said: Whose product? That of Matt of decades ago, or the GPLv2 licensed community product, free to use for whatever you want?

    They provide services on top of GPL product that are paid. Much like WP.com.

  • lonealonea Member, Host Rep

    @egoror said: Matt's WP.com is also selling their service.

    >

    and who is this "Matt" person? Does he own WP/WP's IP?

    Or are you just trying to argue "Matt" doesn't own WP?

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