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Massive free VPN data breach exposes 360M records

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  • if it's free you're the product

  • emgemg Veteran

    @neel_qeru said:
    Say what you want about Tor, but if you don't need Netflix or to select a specific country, Tor is almost always a better option for privacy. Why? Tor doesn't need to know who you are = no way for the Tor Project to get your personal information.

    I believe that many people who use Tor do not understand its nuances or limitations either.

    ... and Mullvad is even worse when it comes to consumers understanding what it does and does not do.

  • pbxpbx Member

    @emgh said: An ISP have to save your data, and has to share it.

    This depends on the country you are in. In SE it is probably better to use a VPN, in other countries the VPN can be an extra layer that won't bring you much protection (and could put you in trouble, as in the OP: how can you be sure than no heavy logging is done and kept unsecurely for nobody knows how many years?).

  • emghemgh Member

    @pbx said:

    @emgh said: An ISP have to save your data, and has to share it.

    This depends on the country you are in. In SE it is probably better to use a VPN, in other countries the VPN can be an extra layer that won't bring you much protection (and could put you in trouble, as in the OP: how can you be sure than no heavy logging is done and kept unsecurely for nobody knows how many years?).

    I'd guess it was based on EU regulation.

    Thanked by 1pbx
  • emghemgh Member

    @emg said: and Mullvad is even worse when it comes to consumers understanding what it does and does not do.

    Mullvad (if I were to guess) has a lot more knowledgable users compared to most VPNs, due to them not really doing mainstream advertising. But anyway - it dosen't matter

  • @Mumbly said:
    @emgh so Sweden don't have secret service which do a things you know a shit about?
    I would imagine that every country do.

    except germany. believe me!

  • @Mumbly said:

    @emgh said: 100 % agree

    Most are shit

    I also agree with that. Most of them as shady as f...
    In first post @Arkas said "Don't use Free VPNs!!!" and I would extend that to the "even if you use paid VPNs, use them with some common sense". All we have is their word what the do and don't do.

    Goodnight! (past midnight here already, huh...)

    if most of them suck, which ones are the really good ones?

  • emghemgh Member

    @hyperblast said:

    @Mumbly said:

    @emgh said: 100 % agree

    Most are shit

    I also agree with that. Most of them as shady as f...
    In first post @Arkas said "Don't use Free VPNs!!!" and I would extend that to the "even if you use paid VPNs, use them with some common sense". All we have is their word what the do and don't do.

    Goodnight! (past midnight here already, huh...)

    if most of them suck, which ones are the really good ones?

    Mullvad

  • @emgh said:

    @hyperblast said:

    @Mumbly said:

    @emgh said: 100 % agree

    Most are shit

    I also agree with that. Most of them as shady as f...
    In first post @Arkas said "Don't use Free VPNs!!!" and I would extend that to the "even if you use paid VPNs, use them with some common sense". All we have is their word what the do and don't do.

    Goodnight! (past midnight here already, huh...)

    if most of them suck, which ones are the really good ones?

    Mullvad

    and IVPN

  • assessments on AzireVPN and ovpn.com please.

  • @hyperblast said: ovpn.com

    sold out to umbrella corp a few weeks ago, i do not recommend using it.

    @hyperblast said: AzireVPN

    i know very little about this provider.

  • @treesmokah said:

    @emgh said:

    @hyperblast said:

    @Mumbly said:

    @emgh said: 100 % agree

    Most are shit

    I also agree with that. Most of them as shady as f...
    In first post @Arkas said "Don't use Free VPNs!!!" and I would extend that to the "even if you use paid VPNs, use them with some common sense". All we have is their word what the do and don't do.

    Goodnight! (past midnight here already, huh...)

    if most of them suck, which ones are the really good ones?

    Mullvad

    and IVPN

    communists? ;)

  • treesmokahtreesmokah Member
    edited June 2023

    @hyperblast said:

    @treesmokah said:

    @emgh said:

    @hyperblast said:

    @Mumbly said:

    @emgh said: 100 % agree

    Most are shit

    I also agree with that. Most of them as shady as f...
    In first post @Arkas said "Don't use Free VPNs!!!" and I would extend that to the "even if you use paid VPNs, use them with some common sense". All we have is their word what the do and don't do.

    Goodnight! (past midnight here already, huh...)

    if most of them suck, which ones are the really good ones?

    Mullvad

    and IVPN

    communists? ;)

    not aware of that, spoke to them multiple times(even today for that matter), very chill guys.

    their team is primarily from post-soviet countries, so im sure they hate communism, like anyone who was forced to be under it.

    Thanked by 1hyperblast
  • emghemgh Member

    @treesmokah said:

    [@hyperblast said](

    @hyperblast said: AzireVPN

    i know very little about this provider.

    https://www.allabolag.se/5590894175/netbouncer-ab

    Very small, going by their total revnue, a one man show

    Thanked by 1hyperblast
  • hyperblasthyperblast Member
    edited June 2023

    Mullvad or IVPN which provider should i try first?

    is it possible to run both with the native wireguard program or does it need their own software? that would then be an exclusion criterion for me.

  • sandozsandoz Veteran
    edited June 2023

    @Altes said:
    What @Mumbly said is true; guys who do drugs will often either entice or coerce weak people in being the so-called "strawmen". Essentially, they don't own anything on paper, but they control companies and bank accounts that sometimes even do millions worth of transactions, and no one can do anything about it.

    Sweden is no different... this happens everywhere, and setting up an onshore or an offshore company is the easiest thing in the world. You just need to have $1K - $10K and you're good.

    If you ever wondered how all those dodgy dating sites operate with bank accounts from high street banks, they're doing the exact same thing. Using locals as shareholders and signatories, and while they are in control on paper, they have absolutely no access to anything, and no one is stupid enough to make waves with people like that.

    Anyway, I wouldn't go as far as to call common cyber criminals smart. For example; no one cared or bothered to check if FlokiNET was born out of CINIPAC, HostSailor out of Santrex, or if BlazingFast owner is into carding, etc (just like the rest of them)... and you trust all these people with your information.

    Also, a lot of Swedish VPN operations are mostly the same guys who are connected to the TPB guys, and were legitimizing the income made from running TPB and the associated projects. Much like Njalla being setup to service the associated projects and still have plausible deniability should it be brought up in court. But it all works out in the end because the prosecutors are complete and utter idiots, if they ever brought up Flattr or IPredator into the case, but anyway... :)

    Welcome back @William

    Thanked by 1SirFoxy
  • AltesAltes Member

    @sandoz said: Welcome back @William

    I'm not William, lol...

    Thanked by 2sandoz SirFoxy
  • tuctuc Member

    never used it, no problem :)

  • xx00xxxx00xx Member

    @Altes said:

    Anyway, I wouldn't go as far as to call common cyber criminals smart. For example; no one cared or bothered to check if FlokiNET was born out of CINIPAC, HostSailor out of Santrex, or if BlazingFast owner is into carding, etc (just like the rest of them)... and you trust all these people with your information.

    these are even small companies. in germany there is an isp in frankfurt which protects banks from ddos and is even recommended by the german federation in a list along with 15 other service providers. they used to earn a lot of money through various not so legal "projects", cybercrime, a very popular filehoster and warez sites.

    then there is another isp, also in frankfurt. they used to do a lot of cybercrime, too, or via advertising networks for warez sites (some of them run by themselves) and they are also known for their ddos-protection.

    the biggest tier-2 carrier in germany (at that time a small isp, which also did a lot in the area of gameservers). was completely financed by warez. they raised the biggest filehoster ever and promised the operator "kick secure" hosting. they helped to build uploadbots, build and finance topsites in the background, attack competing warezsites and build abusebots etc.

    but none of them ended up in court ;)

  • sandozsandoz Veteran

    @Altes said:

    @sandoz said: Welcome back @William

    I'm not William, lol...

    Not being William doesn't mean that you don't have the knowledge provided by him.

    Great share. But let me tell you that Voxility (was connected with Santrex also :) )

  • @xx00xx said:

    @Altes said:

    Anyway, I wouldn't go as far as to call common cyber criminals smart. For example; no one cared or bothered to check if FlokiNET was born out of CINIPAC, HostSailor out of Santrex, or if BlazingFast owner is into carding, etc (just like the rest of them)... and you trust all these people with your information.

    these are even small companies. in germany there is an isp in frankfurt which protects banks from ddos and is even recommended by the german federation in a list along with 15 other service providers. they used to earn a lot of money through various not so legal "projects", cybercrime, a very popular filehoster and warez sites.

    then there is another isp, also in frankfurt. they used to do a lot of cybercrime, too, or via advertising networks for warez sites (some of them run by themselves) and they are also known for their ddos-protection.

    the biggest tier-2 carrier in germany (at that time a small isp, which also did a lot in the area of gameservers). was completely financed by warez. they raised the biggest filehoster ever and promised the operator "kick secure" hosting. they helped to build uploadbots, build and finance topsites in the background, attack competing warezsites and build abusebots etc.

    but none of them ended up in court ;)

    did i read frankfurt am main? that catches my attention. which provider(s) are we talking about?

  • sandozsandoz Veteran
    edited June 2023

    @hyperblast said:

    @xx00xx said:

    @Altes said:

    Anyway, I wouldn't go as far as to call common cyber criminals smart. For example; no one cared or bothered to check if FlokiNET was born out of CINIPAC, HostSailor out of Santrex, or if BlazingFast owner is into carding, etc (just like the rest of them)... and you trust all these people with your information.

    these are even small companies. in germany there is an isp in frankfurt which protects banks from ddos and is even recommended by the german federation in a list along with 15 other service providers. they used to earn a lot of money through various not so legal "projects", cybercrime, a very popular filehoster and warez sites.

    then there is another isp, also in frankfurt. they used to do a lot of cybercrime, too, or via advertising networks for warez sites (some of them run by themselves) and they are also known for their ddos-protection.

    the biggest tier-2 carrier in germany (at that time a small isp, which also did a lot in the area of gameservers). was completely financed by warez. they raised the biggest filehoster ever and promised the operator "kick secure" hosting. they helped to build uploadbots, build and finance topsites in the background, attack competing warezsites and build abusebots etc.

    but none of them ended up in court ;)

    did i read frankfurt am main? that catches my attention. which provider(s) are we talking about?

    Hetz...ner?

  • @sandoz said:

    @hyperblast said:

    @xx00xx said:

    @Altes said:

    Anyway, I wouldn't go as far as to call common cyber criminals smart. For example; no one cared or bothered to check if FlokiNET was born out of CINIPAC, HostSailor out of Santrex, or if BlazingFast owner is into carding, etc (just like the rest of them)... and you trust all these people with your information.

    these are even small companies. in germany there is an isp in frankfurt which protects banks from ddos and is even recommended by the german federation in a list along with 15 other service providers. they used to earn a lot of money through various not so legal "projects", cybercrime, a very popular filehoster and warez sites.

    then there is another isp, also in frankfurt. they used to do a lot of cybercrime, too, or via advertising networks for warez sites (some of them run by themselves) and they are also known for their ddos-protection.

    the biggest tier-2 carrier in germany (at that time a small isp, which also did a lot in the area of gameservers). was completely financed by warez. they raised the biggest filehoster ever and promised the operator "kick secure" hosting. they helped to build uploadbots, build and finance topsites in the background, attack competing warezsites and build abusebots etc.

    but none of them ended up in court ;)

    did i read frankfurt am main? that catches my attention. which provider(s) are we talking about?

    Hetz...ner?

    ...frankfurt based. aha.

  • AltesAltes Member

    @xx00xx said: these are even small companies. in germany there is an isp in frankfurt which protects banks from ddos and is even recommended by the german federation in a list along with 15 other service providers.

    I mean, sure... a lot of German providers profited off of warez and file hosts, but the same could be said for the Dutch providers, too... except at least in Germany, FC technically ended up in court, although walked away scot-free, in spite Kino, and then you had Skyload and Duckload, too... whereas in the Netherlands NForce and co. were never held responsible for anything.

  • @Altes said: NForce and co. were never held responsible for anything.

    sorta, they kinda kicked their old management and replaced it with "corpo-safe" one.

    nforce is not what it used to be

  • AltesAltes Member

    @treesmokah said: sorta, they kinda kicked their old management and replaced it with "corpo-safe" one.

    NForce got sold to porn people a while back who have no interest in anything other than keeping their sites up. Otherwise they wouldn't have changed anything...

  • @hyperblast said:
    Mullvad or IVPN which provider should i try first?

    is it possible to run both with the native wireguard program or does it need their own software? that would then be an exclusion criterion for me.

    try whichever one you want.

    you can use their apps, but you do not have to.
    you can generate wireguard configs on site.

  • ArkasArkas Moderator

    What about NordVPN? Are all the 'audits' these VPN providers do, are they useless?

  • treesmokahtreesmokah Member
    edited June 2023

    @Arkas said:
    What about NordVPN? Are all the 'audits' these VPN providers do, are they useless?

    umrella corp, they are ran behind 3 offshore companies and lied about relations to them. they were also believed to run surfshark that coincidentally "merged" with them later on.

    trackers on site and in applications, even if Nord doesn't snitch on you, Google Analytics surely will

    they were compromised in the past, at least a few servers.

    and of course, deceptive marketing.

    Thanked by 1Arkas
  • xx00xxxx00xx Member

    @hyperblast said:

    did i read frankfurt am main? that catches my attention. which provider(s) are we talking about?

    i can't give more hints :p

    @Altes said:

    I mean, sure... a lot of German providers profited off of warez and file hosts, but the same could be said for the Dutch providers, too... except at least in Germany, FC technically ended up in court, although walked away scot-free, in spite Kino, and then you had Skyload and Duckload, too... whereas in the Netherlands NForce and co. were never held responsible for anything.

    profited means something like you have a lot of customers who use their server to run warez sites, filehoster, filesharing or anything else which is normal if the servers and the bandwidth are cheap or the legal conditions of the location allow it. but as a company you don't do it yourself

    but running your own warez sites, partly creating your own warez (running topsites, including many paylines that simply had a different masterserver, but accessed the same slaves), running your own filehosts via bogus companies, create subscription traps, writing bots that re-upload everything on abuse, hacking competitors or ddosing them, writing/distributing malware, building botnets, having "employees" who actually work black and get their money tax-free on the hand, being involved in various money laundering and tax evasion methods, issuing false invoices for b2b service providers etc. is then already a little more

    nforce is also directly involved in several "projects" directly, just like grafix or euroaccess used to be

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