PrismaVPS expands to Romania (Voxility provider w/ Level3 and HE)

pubcrawler · October 2012

Not affiliated with this company other than being a very satisfied customer.

PrismaVPS, who I've recommended on here for their $30 year VPS has expanded to Romania. Same plans are available now in Romania (neighbor of the Middle East and -Russia- Ukraine, Bulgaria, Serbia, Hungary, Slovakia and the Black Sea).

256MB / 512MB swap / 20GB disk / 2 cores / 2 TB transfer a month $30/year.

pubcrawler · October 2012

Should be a good location.

Seeing Level3 and HE to their Romania location.

Voxility (the facility provider) just penned a 250Gbps deal with Level3 in May:

European Content Provider Voxility Selects Level 3 to Provide Global High-Speed IP Connectivity

Level 3 to provide 250 Gbps to support rapidly growing company

LONDON, May 15, 2012 /PRNewswire/ -- Level 3 Communications, Inc. (NYSE: LVLT) today announced a multiyear contract with European-based content provider Voxility. Under the terms of the agreement, Level 3 will provide more than 250 Gbps to Voxility's three major datacenters, located in North America and Europe, providing a substantial amount of capacity to support the company's continued global growth. >

Jack · October 2012

Cogent Communications drops quite a few of Voxility's IP ranges due to housing botnets and other nasty things so I'd watch out if your ISP has a mix of Cogent :)!

pubcrawler · October 2012

That's interesting and something I didn't know @Jack. Cogent has more than a fair amount of problem people on their own network. So odd war there.

Jack · October 2012

@pubcrawler said: That's interested and something I didn't know @Jack. Cogent has more than a fair amount of problem people on their own network. So odd war there.

Yup I found it interesting too , I spent a few hours on the phone to my ISP saying it was there network due to it went like this:

C:\Users\Jack>tracert 109.163.233.1

Tracing route to buc-ird-01c.voxility.net [109.163.233.1]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

  1    25 ms    21 ms    19 ms  10.93.144.1
  2     8 ms    18 ms     9 ms  bagu-core-2a-ae3-2733.network.virginmedia.net [80.5.167.33]
  3    30 ms    17 ms     9 ms  manc-bb-1d-ae10-0.network.virginmedia.net [80.5.161.241]
  4    10 ms    11 ms    21 ms  manc-bb-1a-ae11-0.network.virginmedia.net [213.105.159.85]
  5     *        *        *     Request timed out.
  6     *        *        *     Request timed out.
  7     *        *        *     Request timed out.
  8     *        *        *     Request timed out.

They said we're seeing it drop on Cogent I was like well what's the issue then?

They stick me on hold for 20-30 mins come back

Cogent are dropping traffic to that /24 of IPs.

Spirit · October 2012

@pubcrawler edit title / company name.

pubcrawler · October 2012

You'd think the nature of the internet being redundant that everyone would route around problems/blocks like this by going over other providers.

Virginmedia is a big company.

Bad issue when a single provider can offline slews of folks. At minimum we need an active site to centralize all these oddball issues with upstream providers.

rds100 · October 2012

@Jack try traceroute to 109.163.233.100 109.163.233.1 seems to be blackholed, probably DoS target or something.

Jack · October 2012

C:\Users\Jack>tracert 109.163.233.100

Tracing route to lh19444.voxility.net [109.163.233.100]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

  1    10 ms     7 ms    21 ms  10.93.144.1
  2    15 ms     8 ms     7 ms  bagu-core-2a-ae3-2732.network.virginmedia.net [80.5.167.29]
  3    11 ms    11 ms    10 ms  manc-bb-1d-ae10-0.network.virginmedia.net [80.5.161.241]
  4    14 ms    32 ms     8 ms  manc-bb-1a-ae11-0.network.virginmedia.net [213.105.159.85]
  5     *        *        *     Request timed out.
  6     *        *        *     Request timed out.
  7     *        *        *     Request timed out.
  8     *        *        *     Request timed out.

Alex_LiquidHost · October 2012

C:\Users\Lost>tracert 109.163.233.100

Tracing route to lh19444.voxility.net [109.163.233.100] over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 * * * Request timed out. 2 * * * Request timed out. 3 * * * Request timed out. 4 * * * Request timed out. 5 * * * Request timed out. 6 * * * Request timed out.

Got to love my ISP.

rds100 · October 2012

Strange, the .100 works from all the 6 different locations i tried, .1 is blackholed. None of these locations are cogent though.

Infinity · October 2012

@Jack I don't get that, and I'm on Virgin Media, but a different Virgin Media routing station.

C:\Users\Humza>tracert 109.163.233.100

Tracing route to lh19444.voxility.net [109.163.233.100]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

  1     8 ms    11 ms    10 ms  10.14.180.1
  2     8 ms     6 ms     7 ms  popl-core-2b-ae4-1203.network.virginmedia.net [80.1.171.185]
  3    43 ms    10 ms    32 ms  popl-bb-1b-ae9-0.network.virginmedia.net [82.14.127.245]
  4    57 ms    15 ms     9 ms  popl-bb-1a-ae0-0.network.virginmedia.net [213.105.174.229]
  5    34 ms    34 ms    18 ms  xe-10-0-0.edge3.London1.Level3.net [195.50.91.69]
  6    16 ms    17 ms    25 ms  vl-3603-ve-227.csw2.London1.Level3.net [4.69.166.153]
  7    16 ms    23 ms    14 ms  ae-56-221.ebr2.London1.Level3.net [4.69.153.129]
  8    30 ms    29 ms    27 ms  ae-23-23.ebr2.Frankfurt1.Level3.net [4.69.148.194]
  9    35 ms    55 ms    28 ms  ae-92-92.csw4.Frankfurt1.Level3.net [4.69.140.30]
 10    37 ms    25 ms    25 ms  ae-4-90.edge6.Frankfurt1.Level3.net [4.69.154.202]
 11    46 ms    27 ms    27 ms  l3b-c2.hlkomm.net [62.67.38.10]
 12    59 ms    59 ms    59 ms  buc-ird-01gw.voxility.net [195.60.76.61]
 13    67 ms    62 ms    58 ms  buc-ird-01c.voxility.net [109.163.235.50]
 14    57 ms    57 ms    57 ms  lh19444.voxility.net [109.163.233.100]

Trace complete.

Jack · October 2012

@Infinity said: @Jack I don't get that, and I'm on Virgin Media, but a different Virgin Media routing station.

@Infinity you are going via Level3 too.

Infinity · October 2012

@Jack said: @Infinity you are going via Level3 too.

I know, you're probably right about Cogent dropping that block, I traced from a few VPS's and they none go through Cogent.

Alex_LiquidHost · October 2012

http://lowendping.nikkii.us/

According to that, edis and secure dragon go through Cogent and seems to be working.

pubcrawler · October 2012

I just tested from around a dozen servers around the world.

All worked fine to end of 109.163.233.100.

But, what I do notice is if Cogent is the upstream, Cogent quickly dumps off typically to Level3 and Level3 takes the packet to the end destination.

Haven't dug too much inside Cogent itself. They have a public looking glass: http://www.cogentco.com/en/network/looking-glass

Run ping and traceroute from there.

Clearly, Cogent has some issue with Voxility because Cogent is notorious for hogging packets and taking them the whole distance (cheaper to do so) even when the routing is far out of the way geographically. So in some ways, this might be a much better thing for Cogent-dependent users :)

pubcrawler · October 2012

One place I see clear mucked up hauling by Cogent on this block is from Bucharest to that IP which is Bucharest and very well might be in the same facility.

They haul the traffic through France, back to Amsterdam then handoff to Level3 which goes through Germany back. 69ms of wasted time.

ihatetonyy · October 2012

@pubcrawler said: But, what I do notice is if Cogent is the upstream, Cogent quickly dumps off typically to Level3 and Level3 takes the packet to the end destination.

Doing a trace from their Bucharest location is pretty funny..

traceroute to 109.163.233.100 (109.163.233.100), 30 hops max, 60 byte packets
 1  te3-1.3.ccr01.buh01.atlas.cogentco.com (130.117.254.177)  0.359 ms  0.365 ms
 2  te0-5-0-4.ccr22.bts01.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.61.5)  19.795 ms te0-4-0-5.ccr22.bts01.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.60.253)  19.785 ms
 3  te0-2-0-2.ccr22.muc01.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.38.253)  27.252 ms te0-1-0-2.ccr22.muc01.atlas.cogentco.com (130.117.3.137)  27.241 ms
 4  te0-3-0-2.mpd22.fra03.atlas.cogentco.com (130.117.50.237)  32.560 ms te0-1-0-2.mpd22.fra03.atlas.cogentco.com (130.117.49.153)  32.607 ms
 5  te0-4-0-2.mpd22.ams03.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.39.189)  39.361 ms  39.593 ms
 6  level3.ams03.atlas.cogentco.com (130.117.14.182)  39.173 ms  39.183 ms
 7  ae-51-51.csw1.Amsterdam1.Level3.net (4.69.139.153)  39.338 ms  39.342 ms
 8  ae-56-111.ebr1.Amsterdam1.Level3.net (4.69.153.185)  39.332 ms  39.310 ms
 9  ae-47-47.ebr2.Dusseldorf1.Level3.net (4.69.143.206)  39.373 ms ae-45-45.ebr2.Dusseldorf1.Level3.net (4.69.143.198)  48.081 ms
10  ae-21-21.ebr1.Dusseldorf1.Level3.net (4.69.143.181)  39.416 ms  39.394 ms
11  ae-48-48.ebr3.Frankfurt1.Level3.net (4.69.143.178)  39.243 ms  39.252 ms
12  ae-93-93.csw4.Frankfurt1.Level3.net (4.69.163.14)  39.328 ms ae-63-63.csw1.Frankfurt1.Level3.net (4.69.163.2)  39.266 ms
13  ae-1-60.edge6.Frankfurt1.Level3.net (4.69.154.10)  39.271 ms ae-3-80.edge6.Frankfurt1.Level3.net (4.69.154.138)  39.244 ms
14  195.16.161.38 (195.16.161.38)  39.943 ms  39.991 ms
15  buc-ird-03gw.voxility.net (109.163.235.165)  69.627 ms buc-ird-04gw.voxility.net (109.163.235.129)  69.503 ms
16  buc-ird-01c.voxility.net (109.163.235.58)  72.575 ms buc-ird-01c.voxility.net (109.163.235.62)  70.063 ms
17  lh19444.voxility.net (109.163.233.100)  68.877 ms  66.128 ms

pubcrawler · October 2012

From Cogent's network in Europe to this 109.163.233.100, seeing nearly total loction backhaul to London and Amsterdam.

As such, latency is greatly increased if upstream is Cogent and in Europe.

pubcrawler · October 2012

@ihatetonyy, agree, that is what I am seeing and referring to.

Cogent is too often like that though. They don't seem to have very many peering locations for handoffs to other providers.

nocom · October 2012

AS traceroute to 109.163.233.100 30 hops max, 40 byte packets 3 v249-gw-6 (68.181.194.65) 0.841 ms 0.592 ms 0.648 ms 4 lax-dc1--losnettos-dc.cenic.net (137.164.23.225) 0.795 ms 0.704 ms 0.626 ms 5 dc-lax-core2--lax-agg1-ge.cenic.net (137.164.46.107) 1.267 ms 0.941 ms 1.068 ms 6 dc-lax-isp2--lax-core2-10ge.cenic.net (137.164.47.138) 0.834 ms 0.734 ms 0.848 ms 7 xe-9-3-0.edge5.LosAngeles1.Level3.net (4.59.48.177) 1.048 ms 0.737 ms 0.845 ms 8 vlan90.csw4.LosAngeles1.Level3.net (4.69.144.254) 0.840 ms vlan70.csw2.LosAngeles1.Level3.net 9 ae-93-93.ebr3.LosAngeles1.Level3.net (4.69.137.45) 0.832 ms 0.950 ms 10 4.69.132.82 (4.69.132.82) 64.079 ms 64.942 ms 64.981 ms 11 ae-71-71.csw2.Washington1.Level3.net (4.69.134.134) 64.113 ms 12 ae-62-62.ebr2.Washington1.Level3.net (4.69.134.145) 64.022 ms 13 ae-41-41.ebr2.Paris1.Level3.net (4.69.137.49) 144.797 ms 143.359 ms 143.196 ms 14 ae-47-47.ebr1.Frankfurt1.Level3.net (4.69.143.141) 151.626 ms 15 ae-91-91.csw4.Frankfurt1.Level3.net (4.69.140.14) 163.051 ms 153.926 ms 16 ae-1-60.edge6.Frankfurt1.Level3.net (4.69.154.10) 171.756 ms 17 62.67.38.6 (62.67.38.6) 149.197 ms l3b-c2.hlkomm.net (62.67.38.10) 313.653 ms 18 buc-ird-03gw.voxility.net (109.163.235.165) 177.390 ms buc-ird-04gw.voxility.net 19 buc-ird-01c.voxility.net (109.163.235.62) 184.133 ms buc-ird-01c.voxility.net 20 lh19444.voxility.net (109.163.233.100) 181.994 ms 178.011 ms 178.912 ms

2 7 0 0 4.69.145.254 vlan90.csw4.dallas1.level3.net
3 0 0 0 4.69.151.170 ae-93-93.ebr3.dallas1.level3.net
4 20 20 21 4.69.134.22 ae-7-7.ebr3.atlanta2.level3.net
5 33 33 33 4.69.132.86 ae-2-2.ebr1.washington1.level3.net
6 33 33 38 4.69.134.130 ae-61-61.csw1.washington1.level3.net
7 33 33 33 4.69.134.145 ae-62-62.ebr2.washington1.level3.net
8 113 113 114 4.69.137.49 ae-41-41.ebr2.paris1.level3.net
9 122 122 122 4.69.143.133 ae-45-45.ebr1.frankfurt1.level3.net
10 121 123 121 4.69.140.6 ae-71-71.csw2.frankfurt1.level3.net
11 121 121 121 4.69.154.74 ae-2-70.edge6.frankfurt1.level3.net
12 123 123 123 62.67.38.10 l3b-c2.hlkomm.net
13 155 155 155 195.60.76.61 buc-ird-01gw.voxility.net
14 156 151 150 109.163.235.50 buc-ird-01c.voxility.net
15 154 154 154 109.163.233.100 lh19444.voxility.net

Canada 3 (66.38.255.41) 4.407 ms 4.396 ms 4.378 ms 4 POS5-0.WANA-VANCBC.IP.GROUPTELECOM.NET (66.59.190.194) 15.438 ms 15.426 ms 15.419 ms 5 POS7-0.WANA-CALGAB.IP.GROUPTELECOM.NET (66.59.190.22) 15.388 ms 15.371 ms 6 bx4-vancouver_ge1-1-3.net.bell.ca (67.69.199.149) 16.662 ms 16.730 ms 16.667 ms 7 core4-vancouver_ge8-0-0.net.bell.ca (64.230.183.109) 18.937 ms 18.964 ms * 8 core1-seattle_pos13-1-0.net.bell.ca (64.230.77.211) 19.040 ms 18.992 ms 134.490 ms 9 bx2-seattle_POS10-0-0.net.bell.ca (64.230.186.22) 19.166 ms 19.136 ms 19.108 ms 10 ge-6-5.car3.Seattle1.Level3.net (4.71.152.41) 220.708 ms 220.737 ms 220.873 ms 11 ae-32-52.ebr2.Seattle1.Level3.net (4.69.147.182) 74.340 ms 74.373 ms 74.362 ms 12 ae-2-2.ebr2.Denver1.Level3.net (4.69.132.54) 68.172 ms 67.430 ms 71.450 ms 13 ae-3-3.ebr1.Chicago2.Level3.net (4.69.132.62) 77.489 ms 77.459 ms 77.492 ms 14 ae-1-100.ebr2.Chicago2.Level3.net (4.69.132.114) 68.101 ms 74.206 ms 74.231 ms 15 ae-6-6.ebr2.Washington12.Level3.net (4.69.148.145) 73.665 ms 73.605 ms 75.042 ms 16 ae-5-5.ebr2.Washington1.Level3.net (4.69.143.221) 74.058 ms 74.853 ms 74.379 ms 17 ae-42-42.ebr2.Paris1.Level3.net (4.69.137.53) 154.683 ms ae-44-44.ebr2.Paris1.Level3.net 18 ae-47-47.ebr1.Frankfurt1.Level3.net (4.69.143.141) 157.220 ms 19 ae-91-91.csw4.Frankfurt1.Level3.net (4.69.140.14) 153.674 ms 155.648 ms 20 ae-2-70.edge6.Frankfurt1.Level3.net (4.69.154.74) 154.611 ms 21 212.162.24.154 (212.162.24.154) 160.350 ms l3b-c2.hlkomm.net (62.67.38.10) 157.394 ms 62.67.38.6 (62.67.38.6) 156.161 ms 22 buc-ird-03gw.voxility.net (109.163.235.165) 184.577 ms 185.218 ms buc-ird- 23 buc-ird-01c.voxility.net (109.163.235.62) 190.075 ms buc-ird-01c.voxility.net 24 lh19444.voxility.net (109.163.233.100) 190.216 ms 192.400 ms 189.681 ms

BTW Turkey and India 10% loss sometime Bucharest, Romania 0.4

pubcrawler · October 2012

Doing base testing and setup on one of these VPSes in Romania.

Will post results as I get them in.

pubcrawler · October 2012

Here's are some numbers from the Romania server:

wget freevps.us/downloads/bench.sh -O - -o /dev/null|bash CPU model : Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E31240 @ 3.30GHz Number of cores : 4 CPU frequency : 2128.000 MHz Total amount of ram : 512 MB Total amount of swap : 512 MB System uptime : 3 min,
Download speed from CacheFly: 16.2MB/s Download speed from Linode, Atlanta GA: 2.36MB/s Download speed from Linode, Dallas, TX: 3.34MB/s Download speed from Linode, Tokyo, JP: 2.48MB/s Download speed from Linode, London, UK: 23.3MB/s Download speed from Leaseweb, Haarlem, NL: 7.53MB/s Download speed from Softlayer, Singapore: 3.08MB/s Download speed from Softlayer, Seattle, WA: 811KB/s Download speed from Softlayer, San Jose, CA: 184KB/s Download speed from Softlayer, Washington, DC: 1.26MB/s I/O speed : 69.0 MB/s

Not a fan of this script since it is 4 networks only. Nearly uniform low performance throughput with Softlayer there. Why Singapore performs so much better on throughput makes me wonder. See similar bump to Linode Japan too. Perhaps less monitoring/recording of packets :) ?

rm_ · October 2012

I highlighted that provider here some time ago, http://www.lowendtalk.com/discussion/5180/prismavps-1gb-openvz-w-4tb-transfer-1gb-for-5mo IMHO the interesting deal from them is not $30/yr, but the $5/mo offer. Been using an US VPS from them for quite some time, no problems so far. Got a box in RO today, turns out the Romania location doesn't have IPv6, unlike their US one. Also the closest he.net tunnel server is ~35ms away, and 6to4 does not work (192.88.99.1 not accessible). Not a good place to be for a v6 fan :)

@pubcrawler said: neighbor of the Middle East and -Russia- Ukraine, Bulgaria, Serbia, Hungary, Slovakia and the Black Sea

While that's true, the majority of routes seem to go via Frankfurt first anyway :S

Spirit · October 2012

@Spirit said: @pubcrawler edit title / company name.

;-)

pubcrawler · October 2012

Cachefly goes a bit faster:

wget -O /dev/null http://cachefly.cachefly.net/100mb.test --2012-10-22 01:58:44-- http://cachefly.cachefly.net/100mb.test Resolving cachefly.cachefly.net... 205.234.175.175 Connecting to cachefly.cachefly.net|205.234.175.175|:80... connected. HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK Length: 104857600 (100M) [application/octet-stream] Saving to: `/dev/null'

100%[=======================================================================================================================================>] 104,857,600 25.2M/s in 4.3s

2012-10-22 01:58:49 (23.5 MB/s) - `/dev/null' saved [104857600/104857600]

1: pn5000.prismavps.com 0.028ms 2: buc-ird-03gw.voxility.net 0.437ms asymm 3 3: fra-anc-03gw.voxility.net 33.635ms asymm 4 4: vip1.G-anycast1.cachefly.net 32.314ms reached

4 hops to France and 32ms, more than acceptable.

pubcrawler · October 2012

@rm_ - agree we use their $5 month plan too. Mainly for disk space reasons.

Local Debian mirror for this location is: http://ftp.lug.ro/debian/

That is under 1ms away :)

Very fast mirror.

Maounique · October 2012

The ipv6 problem keeps me down too. I have a server colo there. IPv6 is coming since early august... M

pubcrawler · October 2012

2013 is shaping to be the year when everyone gets on the IPV6 train, probably all at once.

Not seeing the move yet, but the train can be heard from here :)

serverbear · October 2012

We have a few extra European providers in our script, will probably add more eventually but 1.4Gb of downloads seems like enough for now :P

OVH, Paris, France
SmartDC, Rotterdam, Netherlands
Hetzner, Nuremberg, Germany
iiNet, Perth, WA, Australia

pubcrawler · October 2012

Thanks @serverbear. :) Glad to hear.

More servers, different networks and more geographic areas would be nice --- even if just an option or something.

Howdy, Stranger!

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