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Unusual Geographic locations

Unusual Geographic locations

tstovertstover Member
edited June 2012 in Providers

I've caught the low end VPS bug to the point where I'm loosing way too much sleep trying to find the next world city to conduct network experiments with using a budget offering. For instance, I've pushed google translate way past the limit of sanity and then some, using it to send emails to hosting business telling them they should look into offering VPS plans. Anyway forgoing the usual "why would you want to host there?" knee jerk responses - anyone know any low end box style providers with serious geographic diversity? Generally you can find businesses with offerings to customers in most places, but you run into one of two things: 1) the servers are really just somewhere else 2) the minimum plans are very high end.

Some examples of places I'm looking for: Alaska, Hawaii, Puerto Rico (actually there are several offerings but with a high end minimums) Less populated Canada (I have a great plan in Montreal with openvz.ca) Islands Antarctica (expensive collocation does exist there) Asia Africa South America places with only wireless back haul Moving objects: train freight cars, barges, satellites, be creative - the world needs make less sense (anyone want to start a VPS venture with 4G modems in trailer trucks?) Area 51 :) Rural USA

The more remote they are (in terms of Internet connectivity) the better. (although the companies I have mentioned here have great connectivity) As long as a US citizen can legally send money there. (for instance I have found them in places like Iran, but no thanks)

I've only been at this a couple of weeks. I plan to do a write up after I get some more facts and information. I have successfully signed up for (outside of north america & europe):

Australia (exigent.com.au) Iceland (urpad.net)

and and very happy so far with them. I'm now looking at:

India (vr.org) Kazakhstan (nhost.kz/vps-vds-serveri) South Africa (virtualservers.co.za) Chile (www.boxhosting.cl/vps/)

I did find one in Egypt, but I'm not sure about the current political environment over there.

Thanked by 2Liam rm_

Comments

  • LiamLiam Retired Staff
    edited June 2012

    EDIS.AT are constantly expanding, the first LEB provider in many countries!

    Retired LowEndBox & LowEndTalk staff.
  • Those are some good offers edis.at. I already have several of those places covered. I might try their Sweden location.

  • LiamLiam Retired Staff
    edited June 2012

    @tstover said: Those are some good offers edis.at. I already have several of those places covered. I might try their Sweden location.

    They were the first provider on LEB to offer: Austria, Italy, Poland, Iceland and possibly Sweden? Their currently looking into ASIA (Hong Kong/Singapore) too.

    Nobody else seems to have as many locations as them!

    Retired LowEndBox & LowEndTalk staff.
  • @tstover said: Alaska, Hawaii, Puerto Rico (actually there are several offerings but with a high end minimums)

    Very expensive but doable.

    @tstover said: Antarctica (expensive collocation does exist there)

    Cannot be sold (no commercial activity allowed in Antarctica), uplink only sat also

    @tstover said: Africa

    How much BW do you need?

    @tstover said: As long as a US citizen can legally send money there. (for instance I have found them in places like Iran, but no thanks)

    Many VPS providers in Iran do their payments over Germany and Canada, no issue.

    Opinions/Posts are to be assumed my own/personal and not company related unless obvious - Content is protected by free speech laws in the US (where LET is hosted) and Austria (where i live). Working @ EDIS and owning some others.

  • AmfyAmfy Member

    @liam said: possibly Sweden

    https://www.oderland.se/clients/cart.php already had LEBs 2+ years ago (OpenVZ, 128Mb RAM,5Gb RAID1 Space, 100Gb Traffic, 3€)

    But yes, they seem to be the first "professional" company offering LEBs there ;)

    @liam said: Italy

    @prometeus is in business since 15 years?

    @liam said: Iceland

    Oh, yes, that's damn nice. And as it looks, they have their own IP-Space, so Abuse shouldn't be a problem :)

    Anycast DNS => DNS4 or Rage4

  • LiamLiam Retired Staff
    edited June 2012

    @tstover said: As long as a US citizen can legally send money there. (for instance I have found them in places like Iran, but no thanks)

    What's wrong with Iran?

    @william Africa would be Great. South Africa or Rhodesia would be cool.

    @Amfy said: @liam said: Italy

    @prometeus is in business since 15 years?

    I meant listed at LEB

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  • AmfyAmfy Member

    @William said: Many VPS providers in Iran do their payments over Germany and Canada, no issue.

    Oh, why that?

    @William said: How much BW do you need?

    Isn't hetzner charging ~1€ per GB?

    Anycast DNS => DNS4 or Rage4

  • nabonabo Member

    "Kids, you tried your best and failed miserably. The lesson learned is: never try."

  • LiamLiam Retired Staff

    @nabo said: http://www.treasury.gov/resource-center/sanctions/programs/pages/iran.aspx

    I'm aware of the unlawful block by the US government but I was addressing this bit '(for instance I have found them in places like Iran, but no thanks)'.

    Retired LowEndBox & LowEndTalk staff.
  • rds100rds100 Member

    @liam maybe he thinks it would be unpatriotic to buy a VPS in Iran. Or is just afraid of the sanctions.

  • @tstover said: Islands

    Welcome to the United Kingdom ;)

  • LiamLiam Retired Staff

    @rds100 said: @liam maybe he thinks it would be unpatriotic to buy a VPS in Iran. Or is just afraid of the sanctions.

    I guess so... (refrains from continuing ;))

    Retired LowEndBox & LowEndTalk staff.
  • South Africa (and other locations) VPSNine http://www.vpsnine.com/testfiles.php they have promo right now 15% off Iceland - Edis

    I'm looking for LEB provider in southeast Russia

  • LiamLiam Retired Staff
    edited June 2012

    @gbshouse but the vps is throttled till around 216kb/s, If I recall correctly, and on not so great hardware.

    Retired LowEndBox & LowEndTalk staff.
  • rds100rds100 Member

    @gbshouse you can go to the searchengines.ru forum and ask, but it looks down right now.

  • @liam - the question was about providers not quality :)

    @rds100 - I'm looking for a provider which routes from Europe to Asia via Russian (I heard that there is a fiber parallel to oil or gas pipeline from Russia to China)

    Thanked by 1Liam
  • -yes http://wiki.openvz.org/Hosting_providers is a great resource, but many of the links are stale. Some don't actually seemed to have VPS, and some are just too high end.

    -I read somewhere the Argentines had fiber in Antarctica, but that information might be completely made up.

    -Iran (just to use one of many examples) is the sort of place that yes, you can engage in many legit endeavors with from the US, but you are going to quickly find all manor on uninvited attention into your life. Trying to conceal those activities, is a guaranteed way to end up on even shorter "lists".

    -In places like Africa where bandwidth is comparatively expensive, then so be it. Still that is no reason not to see plans scaled down enough for circa leb prices. For instance the one in Capetown I'm looking at is about $12USD for 5G, but it does have 384mb ram. I'd like to see that just sliced once more to $6 for 2.5G if that's what it took, but I still might try it out. I haven't found other places (geographically) in Africa with close offers yet.

    -The Russian offers I have seen all almost all in Moscow which is cool, but how about something further east. That's one reason I'm trying to get a working payment method to Kazakhsthistan to try out this $7ish plan in Almaty. (yes I understand the routing topography in question)

  • RobertRobert Member

    Most of those are out of my ultra LEB price range. Anyone know of any really LEB's in any unusual locations? I'm looking for max 128mb and no more than maybe $3 p/m. The smaller and cheaper the better!

    (already know about EDIS btw)

  • @tstover said: Iceland (urpad.net)

    Great I am confident that you will enjoy this!

    @Robert said: Anyone know of any really LEB's in any unusual locations? I'm looking for max 128mb and no more than maybe $3 p/m. The smaller and cheaper the better!

    We have a $3.95 VPS in Iceland if that interests you - http://www.urpad.net/linux-vps.shtml

    ChicagoVPS.net - OpenVZ/KVM Based VPS's / SSD Cached & Pure SSD Plans / Great Support! / 6 Geographically Diverse Locations
  • SpiritSpirit Administrator
    edited June 2012

    http://nohostsland.com/ - some very interesting exotic locations here.

    Thanked by 3TheHackBox BluBoy rm_
  • LiamLiam Retired Staff
    edited June 2012

    @spirit I was trying to refer him to there! (I forgot the url)

    Retired LowEndBox & LowEndTalk staff.
  • rm_rm_ Member

    <3 this thread, @tstover you are my hero. :D

  • rm_rm_ Member
    edited June 2012

    I'm looking for a provider which routes from Europe to Asia via Russia

    The closest thing to a LEB I know to the east of Moscow is http://www.netangels.ru/services/vds/ , from $11/month for 128 MB KVM. Haven't used them so can't really recommend. (and tbh I have a bad opinion about all ex-USSR hosts, so from me it's a "stay away" unless you feel adventurous). Location-wise it is in Yekaterinburg, and if you're lucky you can get something along those lines to Japan (substract 30ms due to ADSL I'm tracing this from):

     4. 80.91.16.98                             0.0%     5   31.4  29.2  28.2  31.4   1.3
     5. 80.91.27.2                              0.0%     5   28.1  29.0  28.1  29.5   0.5
     6. ge-3-0-3.tmen-rgr1.ur.ip.rostelecom.ru  0.0%     5   29.0  39.1  28.9  75.8  20.6
     7. so-3-0-0.khbr-rgr1.dv.ip.rostelecom.ru  0.0%     5  119.8 123.7 118.6 130.7   5.6 
     8. 118.155.194.97                          0.0%     5  151.4 158.6 151.4 165.3   5.2
     9. cm-ote234.kddnet.ad.jp                  0.0%     5  153.2 153.2 147.2 159.1   4.3
    10. 202.239.171.10                          0.0%     5  149.1 153.0 147.0 161.9   5.8
    11. www.kddilabs.jp                         0.0%     5  145.0 144.1 140.9 146.7   2.5
    

    And "if you're lucky", that's because the ISPs still prefer the "around-the-world" routes greatly, and the direct cables to China and Japan are utilized only by a few carriers and to few of the destinations.

  • @Amfy said: Oh, why that?

    Many Iranian live in Canada and Germany is the main trading partner of Iran in the world.

    Opinions/Posts are to be assumed my own/personal and not company related unless obvious - Content is protected by free speech laws in the US (where LET is hosted) and Austria (where i live). Working @ EDIS and owning some others.

  • I found Kazakh provider (the @Spirit's link) and looking glass showed that they have route from Hong Kong to Europe via China and Russia. Ping from HK to Kazakhstan something like 300-350ms.

  • rm_rm_ Member
    edited June 2012

    @gbshouse said: Ping from HK to Kazakhstan something like 300-350ms.

    I'd say that's a sign they have asymmetric routing, specifically HK->KZ goes directly, but KZ->HK goes around the world. This is also a very common thing to see.

  • @rm_ go to http://www.vr.org/lg/ and try to trace 178.89.159.52 from Hong Kong, you can see that's going thru TransTelecom (217.150.56.161 [Belgorod, Russia according to Maxmind), AS20485) but the strangest trace is from India:

    1 208.111.45.1 2.382 ms 2.855 ms 3.362 ms 2 27.251.38.65 0.806 ms 0.824 ms 0.844 ms 3 114.79.196.178 0.812 ms 0.834 ms 0.842 ms 4 202.148.192.190 1.030 ms 1.276 ms 1.280 ms 5 202.148.198.181 0.807 ms 0.865 ms 0.873 ms 6 114.79.232.5 0.798 ms 0.616 ms 0.564 ms 7 195.22.197.197 123.616 ms 123.615 ms 123.608 ms 8 89.221.34.181 171.568 ms 171.583 ms 171.738 ms 9 89.221.34.22 213.903 ms 89.211.34.210 232.826 ms 89.221.34.22 213.901 ms 10 10.222.163.37 241.668 ms 10.222.163.41 266.493 ms 266.419 ms 11 78.25.65.246 260.496 ms 259.799 ms 259.402 ms 12 92.47.151.169 311.744 ms 299.101 ms 305.856 ms 13 92.47.150.116 295.624 ms 299.756 ms 281.750 ms 14 92.47.145.5 269.636 ms 269.579 ms 283.487 ms 15 92.47.151.209 304.655 ms 293.614 ms 293.496 ms 16 95.59.170.93 286.561 ms 291.614 ms 291.776 ms 17 89.218.116.174 295.835 ms 295.023 ms 310.282 ms 18 178.89.159.100 299.158 ms * 178.89.159.100 288.133 ms

  • rm_rm_ Member
    edited June 2012

    @gbshouse said: go to http://www.vr.org/lg/ and try to trace 178.89.159.52 from Hong Kong, you can see that's going thru TransTelecom (217.150.56.161 [Belgorod, Russia according to Maxmind), AS20485)

    Right, but if you actually get that VPS and try to traceroute HK from it, you'll notice that it invariably goes via the Europe.

    For example see how it is with my new vKS from OVH in HK. From the vKS to my home, it goes directly via HKIX:

     Host                                           Loss%   Snt   Last   Avg  Best  Wrst StDev
     1. 103.5.15.242                                 0.0%    11    0.1   0.1   0.1   0.3   0.1
     2. hkg-1-6k.hkg.asia                            0.0%    11    0.6   0.6   0.5   1.2   0.2
     3. hkg-2-6k.hkg.asia                            0.0%    11    0.7   0.7   0.6   1.1   0.1
     4. ttk-10G.hkix.net                             0.0%    10    2.5   5.6   2.4  23.4   7.0
     5. ERTelecom-tmn-gw.transtelecom.net            0.0%    10  264.1 267.7 260.2 282.7   8.1
     6. bgw01-ae-0-34.tmn.ertelecom.ru               0.0%    10  255.6 256.6 255.3 259.6   1.7
     7. xxxxxxxxxxx.static-customer.tmn.ertelecom.ru 0.0%    10  262.1 262.1 262.0 262.2   0.1

    But from my home to the VPS, not so much:

     Host                                           Loss%   Snt   Last   Avg  Best  Wrst StDev
     1. net128-138.tmn.ertelecom.ru                  0.0%    11    1.3   3.9   1.3  23.7   6.6
     2. net128-137.tmn.ertelecom.ru                  0.0%    10    1.9  11.9   1.4  33.9  11.9
     3. tmn01.transtelecom.net                       0.0%    10    1.1   1.6   1.1   4.7   1.1
     4. ix-3-0-1-0.tcore2.AV2-Amsterdam.as6453.net   0.0%    10   73.0  73.3  73.0  75.1   0.6
     5. if-7-2.tcore2.L78-London.as6453.net          0.0%    10  275.2 275.5 275.2 276.3   0.4
     6. if-2-2.tcore1.L78-London.as6453.net          0.0%    10  282.6 283.9 282.5 291.3   2.9
     7. if-6-2.tcore2.MLV-Mumbai.as6453.net          0.0%    10  288.6 291.1 288.4 311.8   7.3
     8. if-9-2.tcore2.CXR-Chennai.as6453.net         0.0%    10  279.8 281.0 279.6 290.7   3.4
     9. if-5-2.tcore2.SVW-Singapore.as6453.net       0.0%    10  279.9 282.5 279.8 305.0   7.9
    10. Vlan1779.icore1.HK2-HongKong.as6453.net      0.0%    10  323.5 319.3 313.0 325.0   4.5
    11. hkg-1-6k.hkg.asia                            0.0%    10  258.1 258.1 258.0 258.3   0.1
    12. hkg-3-4m.hkg.asia                            0.0%    10  262.2 262.9 262.2 265.9   1.4
    13. 103.5.15.242                                 0.0%    10  262.1 262.3 262.0 263.3   0.4
    14. 103.5.15.89                                  0.0%    10  262.2 262.1 262.0 262.3   0.1
    

    It should've went to the east from me and towards Asia, wtf London is even doing there. If it did, we'd see not 260ms, but much less. So that's what I mean by asymmetric routes, and I'm sure with that KZ host you'll see the same (or worse, via the US).

  • @rm_ said: It should've went to the east from me and towards Asia, wtf London is even doing there. If it did, we'd see not 260ms, but much less. So that's what I mean by asymmetric routes, and I'm sure with that KZ host you'll see the same (or worse, via the US).

    http://lg.ttk.ru/

    I tested my prefix and I see that they're using HKIX RS to route to us, so that confirms they are accepting HKIX RS routes. My guess is because the AS path length is the same (HKIX RS includes their own ASN), the metric is compared. Metric is 441 for my routes via HKIX, metric to Tata is only 410.

    Should go poke your ISP to see if they'll escalate to TTK.

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  • @tstover said: That's one reason I'm trying to get a working payment method to Kazakhsthistan to try out this $7ish plan in Almaty. (yes I understand the routing topography in question)

    I used idhost.kz in the past, accepts European/US Mastercards and Visa - Not expensive either. Beware, VPS are Virtuozzo.

    Opinions/Posts are to be assumed my own/personal and not company related unless obvious - Content is protected by free speech laws in the US (where LET is hosted) and Austria (where i live). Working @ EDIS and owning some others.

  • bakoubakou Member
    edited July 2012

    I would really really like to see a LEB in Taiwan, or even anything close! Not only is it geographically interesting, the network routing can range from insane to flawless depending on which provider you look at :)

    http://www.taiwancloudhosting.com/ The VPSes they list are in America! They claim to have ones actually located in Taiwan, but when I contacted them they did not seem responsive...

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