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  • 24khost24khost Member
    edited November 2012

    nope @Maounique 18 is when you are a legal adult but that is not the drinking age.
    Everything else goes adult at 18. That is why in the porn industry that have an 18 yr old model deal that all models have to have verifiable proof. Regardless this is not the issue. The issue is shoot first ask questions later mentality that has become of law enforment latley.

  • MaouniqueMaounique Host Rep, Veteran

    @24khost said: The issue is shirt first ask questions later mentality that has become of law enforment latley.

    That is only on some charges. If police sees cp or terrorism, constitutions no longer apply. That is the problem.

  • @CVPS_Chris said: Laugh. So much for the $10million a year

    You're missing the point. Edis' turnovers have nothing to do with him, and even if they did - bear in mind that he has no access to his funds while under investigation, rendering the entire point moot.

    That said, I've contributed what I could - wish you guys would do the same to help a man out. :)

  • LeeLee Veteran
    edited November 2012

    @joepie91 - yawn That is all.

    @miTgiB - Covering up crime with free speech as the reason? No thanks.

  • fislefisle Member
    edited November 2012

    Might be old, but here's a nice rap video regarding this topic which I particularly find very informative and easy to understand. :-)

  • joepie91joepie91 Member, Patron Provider

    @W1V_Lee said: @joepie91 - yawn That is all.

    Oh, of course. It's unpleasant to hear criticism, so you will just ridicule what I say and try to shift the blame to me, right?

    Not that I expected anything else from a person that has complete disregard for others.

  • LeeLee Veteran

    @joepie91 - Not at all, that was an amazing interpretation of my statemement, I don't expect anyone to agree with my views but they are mine and I am entitled to them, free speech and all that. But my expression of free speech does not hide or make excuses for a crime.

  • jarjar Patron Provider, Top Host, Veteran

    @W1V_Lee said: free speech

    Wish everyone had that, then we wouldn't argue with you.

  • MaouniqueMaounique Host Rep, Veteran

    @fisle said: but here's a nice rap video

    Incredible find :) Thanks :)

  • miTgiBmiTgiB Member
    edited November 2012

    @W1V_Lee said: Covering up crime with free speech as the reason? No thanks.

    So when is the moving sale as you head off to Cuba? You realize the freedoms the whole world enjoys were fought for with the lives of many. I'm just asking you to think a little more, as you solution is to extreme when thought out logically. You truly are saying shut off the internet to stop child porn?

  • jarjar Patron Provider, Top Host, Veteran

    @miTgiB said: You truly are saying shut off the internet to stop child porn?

    I'm for it. We need to get rid of cars. People kidnap children in them all the time. Video cameras are obviously a HUGE part in the abuse of children in the creation of child porn, so we need to raid Sony headquarters ASAP.

  • Tell me people in the US. What would you need a TOR server for? Tell me, what do you have to hide that is legal? Give me an example. And hiding your fetishes is not a good enough answer.

    I agree ssl transactions with money yes you can say that it should be required. but what else would really be so secret you can't let anybody know unless it is done anonymously.

  • if guns kill people
    then spoons make people fat
    and pencils make spelling mistakes.

  • jarjar Patron Provider, Top Host, Veteran

    @24khost said: Tell me people in the US. What would you need a TOR server for?

    I think it's more a question of would you be willing to throw out a tool that you may need in the future? Just like guns. Right now I don't need my guns to fight for my freedom. But what if I did? I hope I never do, I have no indication that I will ever need to, but the whole reason for having them is that I can never tell you what tomorrow brings.

  • @24khost said: Tell me, what do you have to hide that is legal?

    Free yet unpopular speech, freedom of speech is there not to protect popular, but the unpopular speech. Child porn does not get protection under free speech since there is harm to the child, but there is plenty of protected unpopular speech that deserves anonymity to be made.

  • LeeLee Veteran

    I never offered a solution, I offered a view and that view still stands, what your saying is that I must accept a side business of crimes being comitted in order to allow free speech to be chanelled? It's not something I am comfortable with.

    Does a TOR Node only allow access from countries where that freedom of speech is to be enouraged or is it a free for all?

  • @George_Fusioned said: Is it possible to have backup passports?

    Yes, however i don't have one in ZA (as it's useless anyway, i can't get out of the EU without a passport).

    @kbeezie said: So.... does that make you a flight risk?

    As i am not in jail i'd guess no.

    @unused said: seems like the bbc article overreached with the "Charged" statement

    Yes, for whatever reasons - i hereby state again that i did not say this.

    @CVPS_Chris said: Laugh. So much for the $10million a year

    10/10 for missing any point here, Excellent work Chris - As usual.
    Company turnover is not related to me.
    I have no access to larger amounts of money at this moment and i won't get it before i get my hardware back - which i only get when i pay the lawyers, fees, court costs etc.
    Do i look like i would get a loan from a bank in this situation, no matter how high my income is?
    So i rely on donations/"micro loans" for this which i will, as stated, try to repay as much as possible after this - WITH LOSS FOR ME, as i have to pay tax on it.
    It's is great that this works well for now and grateful for the support.

    @W1V_Lee said: Does a TOR Node only allow access from countries where that freedom of speech is to be enouraged or is it a free for all?

    Tor is open for anyone, which is the sense behind it - It OPENS the internet and not censors/discriminates it further.

  • jarjar Patron Provider, Top Host, Veteran

    @W1V_Lee said: Does a TOR Node only allow access from countries where that freedom of speech is to be enouraged or is it a free for all?

    This is actually a great idea.

  • MaouniqueMaounique Host Rep, Veteran

    @24khost said: What would you need a TOR server for?

    I know cheating your wife is illegal there, but, for example, being gay isnt, and this can ruin your career, no matter how good you are.
    Or you may be willing to conceal your political views, which are not illegal, but can ruin your career too.
    Or you may need to conceal your identity online, identity stealing happens more often than you may think.
    There are many uses outlined in the Tor project's page, if ppl would really be interested, would go to the source, but i think this is only rhetoric and propaganda.

  • joepie91joepie91 Member, Patron Provider

    @W1V_Lee said: @joepie91 - Not at all, that was an amazing interpretation of my statemement, I don't expect anyone to agree with my views but they are mine and I am entitled to them, free speech and all that. But my expression of free speech does not hide or make excuses for a crime.

    Good - my free speech allows me to consider you a complete and total inconsiderate asshole and idiot, for the simple reason you apparently feel the need to make sweeping statements, disguised as an "opinion", without actually trying to understand the topic.

    Congratulations, your contribution to society by casting this horribly uninformed "opinion" is exactly zero.

    @24khost said: Tell me people in the US. What would you need a TOR server for? Tell me, what do you have to hide that is legal?

    Yes, if people have something they wish to hide, then they will surely tell you (and the rest of the world) under their own nickname on a public forum. That wasn't very well thought out.

    @24khost said: And hiding your fetishes is not a good enough answer.

    Who are you to decide this for others?

    @W1V_Lee said: Does a TOR Node only allow access from countries where that freedom of speech is to be enouraged or is it a free for all?

    No, it allows anyone to use it. You do realize that restricting access by country would be 1. ineffective because geolocalized proxies and 2. defeating the point of TOR, there being no central body that decides what you can and can't send over TOR? Sure, you (or a node operator) may consider certain speech to not deserve anonymity, but who are you to decide over this? Restricting by country would imply that the node operator somehow has authority to tell what coutries are in a "worse shape" than others.

    Oh, and did you consider that these "pedophiles" and "criminals" also exist in the countries where other citizens are in dire need of something that enables perfectly legitimate free speech for them?

  • @W1V_Lee said: I must accept a side business of crimes being comitted in order to allow free speech

    No, that is what law enforcement is for, to catch the bad guys, sometimes law enforcement fails to do that, but the idea to curb one activity in the name of the children is outweighed by the cost to free speech. Read any Supreme Court opinion on free speech, you'll see that idea present most of the time in some form or another.

  • MaouniqueMaounique Host Rep, Veteran

    @joepie91 said: Oh, and did you consider that these "pedophiles" and "criminals" also exist in the countries where other citizens are in dire need of something that enables perfectly legitimate free speech for them?

    Certainly there are "terrorists" in Iran. They might not be arabs, but surely are muslims.

  • LeeLee Veteran

    @jopie91 - You make me laugh at your expense, thanks for that.

    @miTgiB - Why would I need access to a TOR node here in the UK, my freedom of speech is fine as far as I can see.

  • GIANT_CRABGIANT_CRAB Member
    edited November 2012

    Trolls everywhere.

    /drama

  • joepie91joepie91 Member, Patron Provider

    @W1V_Lee said: @miTgiB - Why would I need access to a TOR node here in the UK, my freedom of speech is fine as far as I can see.

    This is so cliché I shouldn't even have to quote it, but here we go:

    First they came for the communists,

    and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.

    Then they came for the socialists,

    and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a socialist.

    Then they came for the trade unionists,

    and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.

    Then they came for me,

    and there was no one left to speak for me.

  • jarjar Patron Provider, Top Host, Veteran

    @joepie91 said: This is so cliché

    Be that as it may, it's perfect.

  • @W1V_Lee
    You really cannot be this blind and naive, are you being serious? Because if you are, you're really dumb and I'm sorry to say that but you're unable to grasp what this all is about.

  • @joepie91 Who are you to decide this for others?

    Provide a good example! Please cause nobody has provided a good example of what you would need to hide in the United States

  • LeeLee Veteran

    No actually I understand it perfectley well, and my point is proven with all the replies, you work it out.

  • AsadAsad Member
    edited November 2012

    @Spencer said: Wrong, in the USA if the child is under 18 you can show nude pictures of them IF they are non sexual. It is a grey area though.

    Only you would know this Spencer ;)

    @W1V_Lee Idiot.

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