Raided for running a Tor exit - Accepting donations for legal expenses

bamn · November 2012

@jarland said: That's a great thread idea.

http://www.lowendtalk.com/discussion/6286/tor-tor-exit-node-discussion

KnightSwarm_Phillip · November 2012

There you go @William . Donated a bit, hope it helps.

Fliphost · November 2012

Donated an amount. Good luck

vedran · November 2012

Keep us posted

gsrdgrdghd · November 2012

Good luck William! If the past is any indication you will get your stuff back & charges will be dropped once the police learns how Tor works.

I just hope you don't get into trouble for "backups of cinema visits" or likewise on the HDDs

djvdorp · November 2012

Darn @William, will do my best to help you :( Stay strong!

joepie91 · November 2012

@Damian said: All providers should consider sending in a donation, regardless of size or value, as William's ability to defend or not defend this will set a legal precedence in the EU on this issue.

For what it's worth, as far as I know a large part of European countries use case law at least to some degree - this means that even on a local level, it may be useful in some countries to have a EU-wide legal precedent on this situation.

Maounique · November 2012

From what I know (not a lawyer, but have one close) this will not go to court, if it does, will get a good precedent for Tor operators in EU. The European court will settle this if the Austrians are so incompetent to convict William. The only thing I am afraid now, is what they will find on those computers/tablets, whatever. The prosecutors will be trying to interpret the law as harsh as possible to get a conviction, even on another minor offense, such as illegal music (some friend gave something, for example and we tend to forget those). They will not like it at all to let go a "child molester" as the media will put all over. Best of luck, one day might be in the same situation, I operate nodes at home, even if the policy is very restrictive, hope this is settled once and for all.

Asim · November 2012

I feel sorry for what happened to you. I hope the legal process is not influenced to make you guilty.

I also have a day job and my little adventures at the same time, I can understand how a little adventure can go so horribly wrong when the ~~users~~abusers hide and you are the one to answer for their sh*t

Liam · November 2012

Thanks @nyr

http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4847468

miTgiB · November 2012

@Maounique said: The prosecutors will be trying to interpret the law as harsh as possible to get a conviction, even on another minor offense, such as illegal music (some friend gave something, for example and we tend to forget those).

Shouldn't anything found that was not listed on the warrant be inadmissible?

Sent William 10EUR cuz guns should be free and clear of this mess

Nyr · November 2012

@Liam I hope that a Hacker News frontpage can bring @William a few more funds for the legal costs :)

JTR · November 2012

No offense, but you shouldn't have been running a exit node if you weren't prepared to deal with the immense legal issues surrounding exit nodes for a hidden network primarily filled with illegal content, drug dealing, and child pornography.

cosmicgate · November 2012

donated just because he had guns.

what a bad ass you are william. tsk tsk tsk

William · November 2012

@JTR said: No offense, but you shouldn't have been running a exit node if you weren't prepared to deal with the immense legal issues surrounding exit nodes for a hidden network primarily filled with illegal content, drug dealing, and child pornography.

I am, partially, but i have no access to any higher sums of money due to this at the moment (which i didn't expect, i get more money in cash stored for the next time...)

kalam · November 2012

I know it's not much, but I donated 10 euros. Good luck William.

jarland · November 2012

We refunded old invoices. It's not much but me and Ryan really appreciated your support for our vps venture. You're quite an asset to this community.

jkr1711 · November 2012

@William 10 Euros donated, best of luck to you

joepie91 · November 2012

@miTgiB said: Shouldn't anything found that was not listed on the warrant be inadmissible?

No. It's very common in Europe to seize any unrelated but 'questionable' goods during a raid or road search. These findings can result in separate charges.

Corey · November 2012

@William 10 Euros donated from my personal fund, good luck I hope everything turns out well for you.

antiven · November 2012

Donated 10 Euros, hopefully this works out for you.

let_bmn · November 2012

William, Please provide us with a bit of details on:

The tor exit node you ran
Why you need a lawyer since you have a textbook-case (standard) defense
Your bitcoin account

Also, it might be a good idea to open comments for non-registrants. I wouldn't have commented if I haven't found a free account at bugmenot.

novaflash · November 2012

50 USD to you

JTR · November 2012

@let_bmn said: William, Please provide us with a bit of details on:

The tor exit node you ran Why you need a lawyer since you have a textbook-case (standard) defense Your bitcoin account

Also, it might be a good idea to open comments for non-registrants. I wouldn't have commented if I haven't found a free account at bugmenot.

LET has had issues with open registration in the past, which is the reason for the semi-closed community here.

BTW guys, someone posted this thread on reddit, it's currently at #3 on /r/technology.

@William, you should do Q/A here: http://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/13ztsm/tor_exit_node_raided_in_austria/

Edit: Not sure what I did wrong.. Link fixed now.

Amfy · November 2012

@let_bmn said: Also, it might be a good idea to open comments for non-registrants. I wouldn't have commented if I haven't found a free account at bugmenot.

I don't think this is in Williams hands. But, even if I'm not sure how's about this actually, some people here are working on something for this :)

JTR · November 2012

You're also on ycombinator.

http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4847468

let_bmn · November 2012

I wish your troubles get over fast.

BlueVM · November 2012

Donated 50 Euros (~67 USD)... you might also want to get your return from paypal link to go to a page about the exit node and updates on how much has been raised or whatever.

The link it brought me to was: https://rdns.im/donationthanks?merchant_return_link=Return+to+donations+coordinator&auth=Abw60qjNFIhYZN.QmVcO2adjLD-Pw3Xgd9aVhFhNWB6TSFk102JbSSwzNYTs2bH.t6tNnKlCwgZYy.ax6OKDZvg

William · November 2012

@let_bmn said: The tor exit node you ran Why you need a lawyer since you have a textbook-case (standard) defense Your bitcoin account

1.: ZhangPoland1, ZhangUkraine1, ZhangAustria1, ZhangCzechRepublic1 as well as a few others, and lots of middle nodes. I still run middle and entry notes regardless of this. 2.: Because it is'nt, there is just 1 similar case in Austria (which was ruled in favour of the Tor operator, but based on another crime). 3.: 1CPKAMtD4bcLrh8SRHfSxBBMmQQ5cqahPZ

@BlueVM: Corrected, thanks for the info.

BlueVM · November 2012

@William - Good luck and I'll donate more if you find yourself short let me know.

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