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  • touch screen is fer noobs. although i'll probably have to develop an ipad app so i might end up owning one.

  • Do people seriously prefer the limited OS's that are Android and iOS over having a fully fledged computer? I'm dissapointed with you today, LowEndTalk.

  • jarjar Patron Provider, Top Host, Veteran

    @Pebsie said: limited OS's

    Let's see... I can VNC, SSH, and play games. I'm not sure what else I'm supposed to want, but feel free to fill me in ;)

  • @patrokov said: @KMyers, what app are you using to connect to your VPSs? I've used ConnectBot free version in the past on a phone in an emergency, but it was extremely painful. Had a hard time registering screen's command codes.

    I use ConnectBot with "Hackers Keyboard", it is actually not that bad.

    @jarland said: Really want a surface. Won't trade my ipad, but I want one. Gotta get my hands on one though to see if it feels as good as it looks from a distance. Finally Microsoft is smart enough to stop putting their success in the hands of companies that make crappy, bulky, cheap pieces of plastic with no internal memory.

    Actually that is not a correct statement. The Surface will fail, the reason being is pure marketing. Microsoft is calling the Surface a "PC", yet it is actually NOT a PC. Microsoft is failing to distinguish the true difference between Windows 8 RT and Windows 8.

    Windows 8 RT will NOT :
    1-be able to run legacy (x86/64 bit) applications, this means you should throw all of your old software collection away.
    2-be able to run any applications from 3rd partys without distribution through the Microsoft Marketplace. This spits in the face to freelance/indie developers.
    3-be ran in an "Unlocked Mode" (The bootloader is locked, encrypted and signed)
    4-be used with non-Microsoft approved (Certified) hardware, time to buy new printers and other USB appliances.

    Answer one question, due to points 2 and 3, who actually owns your Surface tablet?

  • jarjar Patron Provider, Top Host, Veteran

    @KMyers said: Microsoft is failing to distinguish the true difference between Windows 8 RT and Windows 8.

    That's a good point. While I think it has high potential to attract developers, you are right it may completely alienate the bulk of it's market by failing to warn them of an immediate shortcoming. To be honest, I'm having a great time with the new Jump Desktop app and running Windows 8 on my Commercial Media server. The snappiness of RDP on a good connection, with the appropriately converted touch gestures, actually makes it pretty darn nice.

  • Great job Apple, packing 2 year old tech into a smaller shell and marketing it as something revolutionary...

    Great way to use all of your leftover parts that were collecting dust in the backroom.

  • jarjar Patron Provider, Top Host, Veteran
    edited October 2012

    @KMyers said: Great job Apple, packing 2 year old tech into a smaller shell and marketing it as something revolutionary...

    Great job, sounding like every anti-Apple fanboy in the history of religious Apple haters ;)

    A company that talks up their own products and doesn't fill them with the latest experimental chips and not-yet-adopted standards!? OMG! Pitchforks!

  • @jarland said: Great job, sounding like every anti-Apple fanboy in the history of religious Apple haters ;)

    Thank you, I humbly accept that title.

  • Glad to see you're getting the iPad Mini @KMyers ;)

  • @jarland said: doesn't fill them with the latest experimental chips and not-yet-adopted standards!? OMG! Pitchforks!

    FireWire, Thunderbolt and the nano-SIM?

  • jarjar Patron Provider, Top Host, Veteran
    edited October 2012

    So the thoughts of an Apple fanboy...

    The iPad Mini is going to fill a market gap. By no means does it attract me too much, or is it revolutionary. It's just to hit sales for people who want tablets that size, which there seems to be many of. This definitely represents to me a new shift in Apple's product offerings. This isn't what we've known Apple to be in the last decade, and it will be interesting to continue to see where Tim leads the company. I think he's slowly shifting the company to be more interested in consumer feedback instead of a single vision. I'm not sure what I think about that as there are plenty of companies making products that meet demand, but Apple stood apart as the company that said "It does what we think you should be doing with it." Love or hate that attitude, it was unique, and there are plenty of companies to buy from if that attitude turned you off. Interesting years ahead.

    As for the iPad 4...only if I can trick someone into paying too much for my iPad 3. I might upgrade if I'm convinced that the resale value of the 3 will drop significantly between now and the release of the iPad 5. It's all about resale value to me, because that's where I save the most on my purchases, by reselling at the right time and paying the least amount for the next upgrade. Sometimes you have to jump on little upgrades to keep that up though.

  • jarjar Patron Provider, Top Host, Veteran

    @heiska said: FireWire, Thunderbolt and the nano-SIM?

    I was thinking more about the NFC that nerds have been crying about for so long.

  • @jarland said: I was thinking more about the NFC that nerds have been crying about for so long.

    NFC is a standard even though NFC is not widely spread atm. Instead of using standards, they just develop something of their own (Lightning connector, NFC-alternative), because incompatible NFC standards, cables... are better for the consumer right?

    http://xkcd.com/927/

  • jarjar Patron Provider, Top Host, Veteran
    edited October 2012

    are better for the consumer right?

    What's best for the consumer is what they want and what they adopt. If you want a single standard, you need consumer adoption. Consumers have rejected NFC, as clearly shown by the insistence if so many and the lack of widespread adoption. NFC failed because its not wide spread. It's been around long enough, it's a technology designed for mass adoption, and the people have clearly spoken.

    There is one way to trick adoption of a standard. Find a way for people to use it to get porn more easily.

  • geeveegeevee Member
    edited October 2012

    @jarland

    How exactly has NFC been "rejected" by the consumers?

    You do know NFC exists not only with Android phones.

  • jarjar Patron Provider, Top Host, Veteran
    edited October 2012

    @geevee said: How exactly has NFC been "rejected" by the consumers?

    NFC is a technology that is designed for mass adoption as a communications standard. Without widespread adoption it's just a gimmick that occasionally does something. It's supporters have been pushing for mainstream adoption for nearly 10 years now. If that isn't rejection, I'm not sure what is. For years they've been talking up it's capability to revolutionize our daily lives, and for years it's remained mostly inactive and ignored technology. At this point other technologies are creeping up on NFC by chipping away at the often cited potential uses for it, and that's just another nail in the coffin. Wifi, Bluetooth, and GPS have widely been considered perfectly sufficient.

    @geevee said: You do know NFC exists not only with Android phones.

    Still doesn't mean most of us can do anything with it but talk about it.

  • @KMyers TriFi? What the hell will these marketing people come up with next?

  • There's been rumors of a $99 Nexus 7 for Q4. $329 vs. $99 would be a big difference.

  • KMyersKMyers Member
    edited October 2012

    @jarland said: What's best for the consumer is what they want and what they adopt. If you want a single standard, you need consumer adoption. Consumers have rejected NFC, as clearly shown by the insistence if so many and the lack of widespread adoption. NFC failed because its not wide spread. It's been around long enough, it's a technology designed for mass adoption, and the people have clearly spoken.

    I think your mistaken, NFC is actually widely adopted as a standard and further adoption is growing at a rapid pace. Many devices actually have NFC including most of the 2012 Blackberries, most of the 2011/2012 Android Phones and even all Windows Mobile 7.5 + Devices. It is even a REQUIREMENT for Windows 8 RT.

    NFC chips have also been added to most Credit Cards, dating back to 2008/2009. NFC is also used in many Transportation Systems and Subways for pre-paid monthly passes.

    In fact Apple has failed to notice this in the market. I am sorry but the passbook is just a poor excuse that Apple came up with to say "I Forgot". QR codes are nothing new, and last I checked, Android has been making use of QR Codes longer then iOS

    @NickO said: Glad to see you're getting the iPad Mini @KMyers ;)

    Not likely

    @SimpleNode said: @KMyers TriFi? What the hell will these marketing people come up with next?

    TriFi sounds quite fitting. My TriFi can jump on 3G, LTE and WiMax (3 bands/radios hence the "Tri")

    @david said: There's been rumors of a $99 Nexus 7 for Q4. $329 vs. $99 would be a big difference.

    Actually I think that a $149 price point may be best. Unlike Apple, Google is willing to take a hit on the Nexus 7, knowing that most people who purchase them will make plenty of purchases in the Google Play Store. This is why Google calls devices like the Nexus 7 a "Consumption Device"

  • jarjar Patron Provider, Top Host, Veteran
    edited October 2012

    @KMyers said: I think your mistaken, NFC is actually widely adopted as a standard and further adoption is growing at a rapid pace. Many devices actually have NFC including most of the 2012 Blackberries, most of the 2011/2012 Android Phones and even all Windows Mobile 7.5 + Devices. It is even a REQUIREMENT for Windows 8 RT.

    I've still never seen it used anywhere that I'm aware of. Perhaps you could think of an example of a common use that one might overlook because it isn't obvious, but if not then I'd say that someone as tech minded as myself having zero chance at interacting with it, having been out as long as it has, means that it isn't widely adopted. Keep in mind that I'm not using widely adopted to refer to widely available. Availability isn't what indicates acceptance here, sort of like if every device had wifi capability and no one knew where to buy a router. Most of the world getting along just fine without it and showing no interest in it's capabilities is a sure indication of public rejection. A gimmick in a big city or two isn't mass adoption, and for such a standard as NFC it's downright failure in my mind, purely based on the nature of the technology, as the conveniences that it has been suggested to provide are mostly nonexistent and therefore has no impact on the current way that things are done. A different technology I might not call a failure due to lack of mass adoption, but this one demands it to achieve the goals that it's supporters have set out for it.

  • @jarland said: I've still never seen it used anywhere that I'm aware of.

    I am not sure where you are physically located as not all countries have jumped on the NFC bandwagon yet. For me (in the US), many Gas Stations and Corner Stores have them. Many fast food places have (or are in the process of adding) NFC. Mc Donalds for example has NFC at all registers.

  • jarjar Patron Provider, Top Host, Veteran
    edited October 2012

    @KMyers said: I am not sure where you are physically located as not all countries have jumped on the NFC bandwagon yet. For me (in the US), many Gas Stations and Corner Stores have them. Many fast food places have (or are in the process of adding) NFC. Mc Donalds for example has NFC at all registers.

    After typing that I did remember briefly the credit terminals where I can wave something like a magic wand...right next to where I can slide my card. When placed alongside that which it is hoped to replace, it becomes a gimmick. The old way isn't disappearing. Adding cute new ways to do things, when the same old way is still alive and thriving, doesn't accomplish much. I realize adoption usually doesn't mean a cold switch, but come on...we're talking nearly 10 years that people have been pushing this and the fruit of their labor is that after all this time I can wave some devices like a magic wand to pay for a quarter pounder?

    Call me crazy, but this still has all the signs of a complete failure that a few key people just can't accept. It's like MySpace's continued existence. They're not fooling us.

    http://techcrunch.com/2011/03/16/mobile-wallet-nfc-overhyped/

    Best quote: "Waving a card (or phone, for that matter) over a reader is not a huge improvement in ease or convenience to simply swiping a credit card. Credit cards work. More importantly, people know how they work. They are not going to stop swiping and start waving without some incentive to do so."

  • ZiggaZigga Member
    edited October 2012

    @jarland, Paywave/paypass is really popular downunder. I know I am a heavy user since 2010?. Paywave has a limit at AU$100. Almost every EFTPOS machine is now NFC capable here, its very rarely you see an old relic that won't support NFC.

    The public transport system is also migrating to a NFC system(since 2009), that's another story though. but NFC is very widely used in Melbourne atleast.

  • @jarland said: After typing that I did remember briefly the credit terminals where I can wave something like a magic wand...right next to where I can slide my card.

    That would be one example, It is sometimes called a "PayPass" unit.

    @jarland said: we're talking nearly 10 years that people have been pushing this and the fruit of their labor is that after all this time I can wave some devices like a magic wand to pay for a quarter pounder?

    Well, paying for your lunch is just one small example of this in use. NFC has several security advantages, not to mention that you can change the credit card number without getting a new card. I use Google Wallet all the time as it does not transmit my real credit card number to merchants.

    Thanked by 1jar
  • jarjar Patron Provider, Top Host, Veteran

    @KMyers said: as it does not transmit my real credit card number to merchants.

    Now that right there may be the best point I've heard.

    Thanked by 1netomx
  • @jarland said: Now that right there may be the best point I've heard.

    Yes, when you put a credit card into the wallet (VISA/Mastercard/AMEX/Discover), it translates the number into a virtual VISA card number. Only that virtual visa card number is sent to the merchant.

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