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SERVER - VIRTUALIZATION - Hosting and Training Purpose

SERVER - VIRTUALIZATION - Hosting and Training Purpose

DragonDFDragonDF Member
edited December 2011 in General

Hello guys!

I am sorry, but like a newbie in this area I have spent a very good time trying to learn a bit more.

I will start a new Hosting Company in Brazil. This is my intention. I already have 10 clients, so 'Company' can pay for a VPS+Cpanel (about $20/month) by itself. I imagine I can insert from 50 to 80 clients in this VPS (1Gb ram, 50Gb hd). If everything works fine I will have these number of clients in 4 months.

I don't like to be very dependent of others. I like to learn and I do not have difficult to learn. I learn very fast (usually alone, but in TI area, this is not so simple).

To run this "hosting' business (it will have SEO and Development, too - my area), I think could be a good idea to get a LINUX CERTIFICATION like LPI. In fact, I do not need CERTIFICATION to get a JOB. I am my own boss. But I think this could be good to learn something. Maybe I could be wrong.

While I start the VPS, I plan to make tests in a SERVER to learn how to manage it. I think it could be a good idea to buy one in eBay (Intel Xeon, 8 or 16Gb ram) for about $250-350 and make tests at home.

But and AFTER I HAVE THE SERVER?

  1. OS: CentOS because people usually type it likes the most popular to servers

  2. Virtualization: THIS IS A PROBLEM TO ME. I know some OS can not run if you choose one or other virtualization software. Maybe here I have a mistake. Maybe OpenVZ, XEN and KVM are first than OS. Maybe they are a kind of O.S.

I have already read this thread:

Which one is the best performance? OpenVZ, XEN or KVM? Link: http://www.lowendtalk.com/discussion/comment/14841#Comment_14841

I could see that for the same money if you choose a VPS with OPENVZ it will have almost the double of the RAM than a XEN or KVM. I think this happen because OpenVZ allows overselling. I could never understand it very well.

I want to get my server and run WINDOW, LINUXS, MACOS, etc in it like VPS. Like I wrote, I want to LEARN. I think KVM or Xen will be the best option (like I want to run Windows inside Linux).

Is there a book or tutorial or something I can read to learn about this?

Do I really need to get a certification?

For a newbie in Linux, what are the steps I need to follow after I get my server?

Why do not member talk about VmWare?

Reference: Xen vs KVM - http://www.lowendtalk.com/discussion/comment/11883#Comment_11883

Cheap OpenVZ or more expensive XEN HVM/KVM? http://www.lowendtalk.com/discussion/548

Virtualization on your laptop http://www.lowendtalk.com/discussion/comment/9596

Thank you!

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  • SpeedBusSpeedBus Member
    edited December 2011

    KVM, does really well, offering dedicated server like isolation for every container (VM), It can run almost any OS ?

    OpenVZ | Los Angeles, California | 8 Cores CPU | 3 GB RAM | 50 GB Disk | 3 TB bandwidth/month | $30/Year | Here !
  • hello SpeedBus! Are you in doubt, too?

    Why do you prefer KVM?

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  • What certification are you working on anyway? I can't think of anyone providing certification in linux virtualization.

    I am no longer affiliated with IPXcore.
  • @Damian4IPXcore said: What certification are you working on anyway? I can't think of anyone providing certification in linux virtualization.

    La parole nous a été donnée pour déguiser notre pensée.

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  • I'd say that actual certification is not worth it unless you are looking for a job. That said, reading the study materials for certification is not a bad way to gain knowledge.

    Books and tutorials are good, there there is no substitute for actual real life experience. Get a system and start working with the different flavors of virtualization. I believe that OpenVZ can run on any hardware. KVM needs the hardware virtualization support in the CPU. Most server CPU's have it and many of the more recent desktop CPUs have it. For example the E3000 series celeron's have it.

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  • I could see that for the same money if you choose a VPS with OPENVZ it will have almost the double of the RAM than a XEN or KVM.

    OpenVZ you have address space not RAM. With XEN/KVM the root user can create a swap area the size he wants.

    I don't like to be very dependent of others. I like to learn and I do not have difficult to learn. I learn very fast (usually alone, but in TI area, this is not so simple).

    I suggest you read a lot about Internet protocols and basic Internet services. Most of the doubts, complains, mistakes happen because the person doesn't have a clue about protocols and how basic services work.

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  • @Damian4IPXcore In fact, I thought to get a default Linux Certification: LPI.

    @japon Thank you for your post (I've already clicked in the button).

    @cleonard I really do not mind about certification. But If I will need to learn, I think could be usefull to earn something (in spite of lost of time)

    I believe that OpenVZ can run on any hardware. KVM needs the hardware virtualization support in the CPU. Most server CPU's have it and many of the more recent desktop CPUs have it.

    One more thing to understand WHY owner of servers like OpenVz so much and why it is cheaper.

    OpenVZ = any hardware KVM = CPU with virtualization VmWare = ???? Xen = ??? (allow Windows)

    @netpioneer

    OpenVZ you have address space not RAM. With XEN/KVM the root user can create a swap area the size he wants.

    So, guys are selling something that in fact DOES NOT EXIST? Are they scammers? I thought if I had a server with 16Gb RAM, I could only have (without Overselling) 32 VPS (512Mb). In this case, I thought WRONG.

    Aren't you confused with SWAP or something like VIRTUAL memory?

    I suggest you read a lot about Internet protocols and basic Internet services. Most of the doubts, complains, mistakes happen because the person doesn't have a clue about protocols and how basic services work.

    Can you suggest a link?

    Thank you guys!

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  • netpioneernetpioneer Member
    edited December 2011

    So, guys are selling something that in fact DOES NOT EXIST? Are they scammers? I thought if I had a server with 16Gb RAM, I could only have (without Overselling) 32 VPS (512Mb). In this case, I thought WRONG.

    Aren't you confused with SWAP or something like VIRTUAL memory? Nope.

    As someone said "free memory is wasted memory" and any decent operating system since 1960's keeps in RAM only the "working set". OpenVZ defines the maximum number of pages your VPS can allocate but it doesn't mean all pages will be kept/reserved in RAM.

    Can you suggest a link?

    What about a book? :-)

    Douglas Comer. Internetworking With TCP/IP Volume 1

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  • @netpioneer said: As someone said "free memory is wasted memory" and any decent operating system since 1960's keeps in RAM only the "working set". OpenVZ defines the maximum number of pages your VPS can allocate but it doesn't mean all pages will be kept/reserved in RAM.

    Good to know!

    @netpioneer said: What about a book? :-)

    Douglas Comer. Internetworking With TCP/IP Volume 1

    I like books! :) Already downloading.

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  • @DragonDF said: Already downloading.

    LOL! No comments.

  • I like books! :) Already downloading

    You may also want to download DNS and BIND by Cricket Liu, Paul Albitz

    For "advanced" studies in networking fundamentals I suggest you read a BGP tutorial and everything published on drpeering.net. Regarding operating systems fundamentals take a look at Multics.

  • @netpioneer said: I like books! :) Already downloading

    You may also want to download DNS and BIND by Cricket Liu, Paul Albitz

    i bought that book. Is it so uncommon not to steal ?

  • japonjapon Member
    edited December 2011

    @marrco said: i bought that book. Is it so uncommon not to steal ?

    How does buying make downloading impossible? Publishers sell their books as digital copies. Besides the fact that you can get many O'Reilly books as openbooks.

    La parole nous a été donnée pour déguiser notre pensée.

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  • i bought that book. Is it so uncommon not to steal ?

    I bought mine too. :-)

  • @DragonDF : I'm not in doubt as such, I know that Windows and Linux works on KVM, I was not sure if MacOS worked or not.

    OpenVZ | Los Angeles, California | 8 Cores CPU | 3 GB RAM | 50 GB Disk | 3 TB bandwidth/month | $30/Year | Here !
  • @SpeedBus said: I was not sure if MacOS worked or not

    Technically it should. But you will have licensing issues then.

    La parole nous a été donnée pour déguiser notre pensée.

  • I'm currently reading "UNIX and Linux System Administration Handbook, 4/E" by Prentice Hall and I think it is a good book as an introduction to SysAdmin work. Having a background on Comp. Science topics was helpful in understanding some concepts in the book, especially how the OS functions.

    For further reading, I'm looking into O'reilly books.

  • @japon : Thanks for the link :D Lemme test :P

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  • Guys! I bought a Laptop for tests: Intel Core i3 Processor 2310M, 500Gb Hd, 2Gb RAM (DDR3), wireless, hdmi, webcam and a Debian distro called Satux- I think it is brazilian

    I can buy more Memory in the future, if needed. This is not a problem.


    The first thing I did was to change (click F2) the HD to IDE and received an error "(initramfs) unable to find a medium containing a lives file system". I changed it again to the other default option (sata with another name) and CD was recognized. I got Ubuntu 11.10 (yesterday download). At this moment I am FORMATING the HD space: sda1 (ext3) = 100GB free space: 390GB (I plan to divide it in 3 more) sda2 (linux-swap): 1GB sda3 (ext3): 9.1Gb (plan to adjust to 100Gb)

    I'll have 5 partitions of 100Gb each (6 with linux-swap).


    For tests, I'd like to create 4 VPS with 512MB RAM and 50GB HD (or 100GB HD): 01 WinXP, 01 Win2008, 01CentOS, 01 Ubuntu Desktop

    Is possible to use the Laptop like a server and use one of the O.S installed in it like a DESKTOP computer? For example: I know I could install each one of them like a "Dual-Multi-Boot", but I want to LEARN how to setup servers, etc. In this case, what is the correct form to format HD? What is the OS? Is KVM, Xen or VMWare installed first or after one specific OS?

    Newbie doubts. Sorry! :)

    I will wait your reply to do something.

    Happy New Year!

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  • Is KVM, Xen or VMWare installed first or after one specific OS?

    You need an OS which is the host for KVM, XEN or VMWare. Within this OS, you can create the VPS with their own OS.

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  • VMware ESXi runs its own OS. Reason most people are not using it is due to the lack of control panels and also to legally sell virtual machines using it you must license the resource used via VMware's Service Provider license agreement.

    What is strange is I have seen people advertise machines cheaper than the lowest rental cost offered by VMware. So they are either not licensing correctly or losing money on every sale

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  • @HerrMaulwurf

    You need an OS which is the host for KVM, XEN or VMWare. Within this OS, you can create the VPS with their own OS.

    Can I use CentOS ?

    Or maybe Ubuntu (desktop)?


    @vmhosts

    VMware ESXi runs its own OS. Reason most people are not using it is due to the lack of control panels and also to legally sell virtual machines using it you must license the resource used via VMware's Service Provider license agreement. What is strange is I have seen people advertise machines cheaper than the lowest rental cost offered by VMware. So they are either not licensing correctly or losing money on every sale

    But I think there is a free and paid version of VMWare ESXi, right? Or not?

    1st: best OS (I do not have preference, but people usually prefer CenOS for servers).

    2nd.: kvm (need a "v" processor and I do not know if mine support), Xen or VMWare. OpenVZ does not allow Windows, so I don't want to install it.

    I want to use what you (professionals) usually use. If one is a bit fast, I don't mind. Preference, one that I can have GOOD SUPPORT.

    Thank you!

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  • The Free version is the same but you will get limitied features. If you are just using a standalone host without shared storage then a lot of these paid for features wont be available anyway.

    If you are looking to sell virtual machines then you are going to be better off with something like XEN and a control panel.

    Issue is you are really going to need to get some more experience before you could offer any level of support on this type of infrastrucutre (not being harsh, but you will get a lot of stress if/wehn you run itnot problems)

    Best thing to do would be to set up a local machine or even rent a server that can run XEN and have a play around with it

  • About my new laptop processor: http://ark.intel.com/products/52220

    Advanced Technologies Intel® Turbo Boost Technology No Intel® vPro Technology No Intel® Hyper-Threading Technology Yes Intel® Virtualization Technology (VT-x) Yes (IS THIS GOOD FOR KVM?) Intel® Virtualization Technology for Directed I/O (VT-d) No (IS THIS BAD?) Intel® Trusted Execution Technology No AES New Instructions No Intel® 64 Yes


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  • VT-x is good :P And no VT-d well, I think it won't affect too much.

    The current trending seems to be KVM, so, try it, is the easiest IMHO

  • @VMHOSTS About your last message:

    I want to use it not for sell VPS. I want to use it to LEARN, because when I contract a VPS, I have done it just for learn and made tests. But, like support was not so good, I learnt not so much.

    So, I plan to install one option like KVM or Xen to use with Linux, Windows and maybe MacOS (I have a MacBook Pro and do not need to use another, I have a way to learn with it). If I can install different distros inside a VPS I can learn more and I can use (this is my plan) at the same time, 2 OS: one for "work" (windows) and the other to learn (linux).

    I'd like to maintain Windows working in the Laptop for anyone of the house (or Family that visit my house) and the other I'd like to access from another place (I think I will need a static IP or another way that allow this). Team Viewer?

    What do you think?

    Thank you!

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  • @yomero

    VT-x is good :P And no VT-d well, I think it won't affect too much. The current trending seems to be KVM, so, try it, is the easiest IMHO

    KVM: 01 vote

    What do you think about the O.S.?

    CentOS is a good option?

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  • For KVM, use what you want, since several kernels ago is supported (2.6.26 or maybe older, dunno).

    I use KVM in my Debian at home, and an Ubuntu at office.

  • Ok, yomero! I will take a try using CentOs! The server edition (little one). Tks!

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  • Just install proxmox ve.. it's bare-metal and installs in under 5min!! you can download templates from openvz site or appliances from the proxmox website.. you can also do Kvm which any iso should work..

  • ZenZen Member
    edited January 2012

    @earl

    You pretty much learn nothing until you have an issue, and even then you can Google the issue & get an forum post with a fix which once again you learn absolutely nothing from. I've used Proxmox before in my home server & it really is great, but I can honestly say that once it was installed I didn't hop into SSH on the host node for at least 3-4 months. You learn nothing, its a great stable platform for home use or enterprise use, but DragonDF wants to learn something from the looks of it, and I wouldn't recommend proxmox for that.

    Good luck DragonDF.

    I work for Nodisto.

  • In fact, I am doing the opposite. I am trying to Google before, to have less problems in a near future. About Xen x KVM, I read something I liked. https://www.linux.com/news/enterprise/systems-management/327628-kvm-or-xen-choosing-a-virtualization-platform Looks like that in a near future, KVM will pass Xen.

    @earl I read about proxmox. But I do not want to use OpenVZ. I want to install Windows and Linux. :)

    @WhiteLabelHosting Thank you! I am planning to install CentOS in this laptop, install KVM and try to use Windows Xp and Linux in it (at the same time). The problem it is not like VMWare you can use 2 or 3 at the same time with Workstation. I hope KVM developers can adjust this in a near future.

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  • tuxtux Member

    @DragonDF said: @earl I read about proxmox. But I do not want to use OpenVZ. I want to install Windows and Linux. :)

    With Proxmox you can install both Windows (KVM) and Linux (OpenVZ and KVM).

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  • @DragonDF said: @earl I read about proxmox. But I do not want to use OpenVZ. I want to install Windows and Linux. :)

    To be honest I really think you are making this more difficult than what it really is!! instead of contemplating on what you are going to do you will probably learn more if you actually tried something..I really think that you are confusing your self more than you have to by reading too much and not doing enough

  • @earl Ok, but I will not use proxmox. Is it used by all big companies? And I find a KVM tutorial in CentOs page. I'll try it.

    When I ask here, it is like to choose between Nikon or Canon. Each person (experience) will say what they think about. Some do not use any of them because they can not pay. And... for this they will say bad things about these 2 brands.

    I'll update in a near future.

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  • @DragonDF said: Ok, but I will not use proxmox.

    Well you don't have to use proxmox, I just suggested it cause it was easy to use.. also if you did try it you don't have to commit to it if you decide later on that you don't like it, at least then you know what proxmox is!!

    @DragonDF said: And I find a KVM tutorial in CentOs page. I'll try it.

    Good site you can check for tutorials: http://www.howtoforge.com

    @DragonDF said: I'll update in a near future.

    Sure let us know how you are progressing..

  • DragonDFDragonDF Member
    edited January 2012

    @earl Thank you!

    -- Like the notebook is 64bits, I need to choose something good but in the SAME CONDITION people who sell VPS use. I had doubts about Net Install or Minimal Install and this link help me a bit: http://www.chenit.com.au/blog/centos-6-2-net-install-vs-minimal-install/ And the author gives you a new LINK: http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/20379/centos-6-default-installation-options

    BETWEEN OPTIONS, WE CAN SEE:

    Desktop: base, basic-desktop, core, debugging, desktop-debugging, desktop-platform, directory-client, fonts, general-desktop, graphical-admin-tools, input-methods, internet-applications, internet-browser, java-platform, legacy-x, network-file-system-client, office-suite, print-client, remote-desktop-clients, server-platform, x11

    Minimal Desktop: base, basic-desktop, core, debugging, desktop-debugging, desktop-platform, directory-client, fonts, input-methods, internet-browser, java-platform, legacy-x, network-file-system-client, print-client, remote-desktop-clients, server-platform, x11

    Minimal: core

    **Basic Server: base, console-internet, core, debugging, directory-client, hardware-monitoring, java-platform, large-systems, network-file-system-client, performance, perl-runtime, server-platform ** Database Server: base, console-internet, core, debugging, directory-client, hardware-monitoring, java-platform, large-systems, network-file-system-client, performance, perl-runtime, server-platform

    Web Server: base, console-internet, core, debugging, directory-client, java-platform, mysql-client, network-file-system-client, performance, perl-runtime, php, postgresql-client, server-platform, turbogears, web-server, web-servlet ** **Virtual Host: base, console-internet, core, debugging, directory-client, hardware-monitoring, java-platform, large-systems, network-file-system-client, performance, perl-runtime, server-platform, -virtualization, virtualization-client, virtualization-platform-

    Software Development Workstation: additional-devel, base, basic-desktop, core, debugging, desktop-debugging, desktop-platform, desktop-platform-devel, development, directory-client, eclipse, emacs, fonts, general-desktop, graphical-admin-tools, graphics, input-methods, internet-browser, java-platform, legacy-x, network-file-system-client, performance, perl-runtime, print-client, remote-desktop-clients, server-platform, server-platform-devel, technical-writing, tex, virtualization, virtualization-client, virtualization-platform, x11

    So, after read it, I THINK the best option is choose for NET INSTALLATION and choose one of the SERVER's options (I think the correct is VIRTUAL HOST, because it has "virtualization, virtualization-client, virtualization-platform" like options.

    I could not see an option to download the .ISO with the configuration I need (64 bits, Virtual Host).

    My other doubt was: Can I install it with a PENDRIVE? In other times, I downloaded the .ISO file and... for my SURPRISE, it did not work to INSTALL. Something like: it could not make AUTO RUN from the CD. Like I am not the owner of CD or DVDs companies, I will do it this time with my PENDRIVE. If the iso is not correct or corrupt, I can download again and again. I saw in some forums people who lost more than 7 CDs to install it in a Laptop.

    If you need to do like I want, you can read this: http://wiki.centos.org/HowTos/InstallFromUSBkey

    http://www.brool.com/index.php/installing-centos-on-an-external-usb-drive

    Let me see if I can do it. :)

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  • Maybe others will need to install KVM on CentOs 6.2, too. For this, I think this post can be useful: http://cumptrnrd.wordpress.com/2012/01/10/kvm-in-centos-6-2/

    It was made 8 days ago.

    Others links:

    Centos' Wiki has KVM info only about version 5. http://wiki.centos.org/HowTos/KVM But it gives a good direction and some steps to follow.

    In HowtoForge you can see something, but for 6.0 server:

    http://www.howtoforge.com/virtualization-with-kvm-on-a-centos-6.0-server

    And I could see in CentOS forum, a today's thread about

    Network install of Centos 6.2 64-bit fails to retrieve install.img https://www.centos.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?viewmode=flat&order=DESC&topic_id=35335&forum=55&move=next&topic_time=1326845620

    Now.. waiting for download the x86_64-netinstall.iso (44KB/s... \o/ )

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  • What you learn is not so important has how you learn and documenting what you do. You have to be methodical, build up an asset base of scripts all the time, and keep all that information on hand at all time. Whatever you do learn to script it thoroughly and monitor it and keep those scripts in a project management system. In short get organised, that counts for more than fancy technical know how.

  • 1st difficult: to run it in a PENDRIVE. It is crazy but it is not working. There is an option better that to try to use the Cento's Wiki about to run in a USB drive. You can download and run a specific software called Unetbootin: http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/

    I found a CD RW and downloaded the 200Mb version (net install) for a 64bits laptop. But I got an error that I could not solve, it. You can see here, the print screens:

    http://www.redwireservices.com/centos-rhel-install-fails-to-find-dvd#comment-52

    It is hard to install CentOS and it is SO EASY TO INSTALL Windows. I'll download a bigger .ISo file and see if it will run.

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  • Sorry guys, but after some tries... I installed a Win 7 in my notebook. At least I can use it for something. The biggest problem was: I could not find the DRIVERS to use video, usb, webcam, etc. etc. I continue trying to learn how to manage a VPS to run a Hosting business. I'll try to learn using another way. :(

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  • @DragonDF said: I could not find the DRIVERS to use video, usb, webcam, etc. etc.

    Hehe, start doing that :P

  • ahahahah It is funny but it is the truth.

    For example: when I format the laptop, nothing was working. Neither USB, neither Internet cards. Only "mouse pad", keyboard, DVD and video. Nothing else. So, how can I find it? In windows I know I have some options. Specially if you want to use Everest or another software to find your hardware details.

    And in LINUX?

    I do not have idea.

    :(

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  • yomeroyomero Member
    edited March 2012

    In linux most things work out of the box. Wireless and probably sound are hard. Wireless, most Realtek and Atheros work fine currently. Video is sometimes complicated when you need to adjust resolution and so, but generally you install the drivers from Ati/Nvidia sites and the Intel one is open source if I remember correctly.

  • But how can the sites know the driver you need?

    How you can use INTERNET if you do not have drivers for your cards?

    Sure, I can get from another computer, but how to identify your drivers in Linux? Is there an option? Using CentOs (or trying but it is almost impossible)

    Each day I can see why Microsoft is each day RICHER.

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  • Look up what the hardware in your laptop is, most likely you have a broadcom wifi chip, and some distros you need to install the firmware for it. Or just install Ubuntu, it's packaged with a ton of drivers.

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  • @DragonDF said: Sure, I can get from another computer, but how to identify your drivers in Linux? Is there an option?

    That's why the laptop users use Ubuntu. (which I hate)

    Ahm, according to what you say, I am not understanding something...

    You identify "devices" not "drivers". So, if you don't know what devices yo have, go to your Windows and install Everest-Aida64. How? Get other computer.

    If you are looking for what driver to use for X or Y device, that's different. Look for lspci and lsusb commands and their man pages. That will show you some strings and PCI IDs which you can google.

    Obviously you won't go nowhere without another computer.

    Also, is weird, but I am almost sure you have at least Ethernet (unless you have a weird device, like one of my motherboards with an Atheros Ethernet card o_O )

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  • kiloservekiloserve Member
    edited March 2012

    @DragonDF said: Using CentOs (or trying but it is almost impossible)

    If you want a desktop laptop where you can use sound/graphics/3d and such, forget CentOS.

    @yomero said: That's why the laptop users use Ubuntu. (which I hate)

    CentOS is my preferred Linux OS but I gotta use Ubuntu/Kubuntu if I want a graphical environment. :)

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  • InfinityInfinity Retired Staff

    @kiloserve said: If you want a desktop laptop where you can use sound/graphics/3d and such, forget CentOS.

    +1 on that.

    我是一个巨魔 (;

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  • Guys! Thank you for your replies.

    Also, is weird, but I am almost sure you have at least Ethernet (unless you have a weird device, like one of my motherboards with an Atheros Ethernet card o_O )

    No, I did not have. This was the problem.

    What did I do? I went in the manufacturer's webpage to get, at least, ethernet driver. I installed it and used a nice software (I knew Everest, but this one is better) called 'slimdrivers'. It is very good. It does everything for you. Before (using Everest) I needed to identify 'devices' (sorry) and than try to find drivers in driver-guideCOM or in another place. Really difficult.

    In the final, I forget Linux and installed Windows and VmWare to install Linux for test purposes.

    The problem in my mind is: it is very difficult to use Linux. I do not know why, but EVERY time I try to use CENTOs and... things never happened. Some tutorials did not work.

    I don't know. I haven't had luck.

    I will start with a reseller account to test the use of Cpanel and in a near future I will try something else.

    PS: I got a VPS with Chicago and it is running JAVA. So, at least this I can do.

    thank you again.

    Sorry for delay. I haven't had much time to come here.

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