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  • kalamkalam Member
    edited November 2012

    @Amitz William is channeling his inner American through those firearms. Absolutely nothing wrong with them as long as they are legal. Hopefully they don't go after him over the Marijuana possession, 10 grams is nothing.

  • @Paul said: TV interviews? Wow, issue must really be BIG where you're from.

    I'm sure he means web interviews like blogs and skype chats etc.

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  • @kalam wrong person you ment @Amitz

  • @24khost Wops, my bad.

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  • @kbeezie their blog post word links to http://raided4tor.cryto.net/

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  • kbeeziekbeezie Member
    edited November 2012

    @Fliphost said: @kbeezie their blog post word links to http://raided4tor.cryto.net/

    And their words " he wrote in a blog post seeking donations." links to this thread. 3rd from the last paragraph.

    Though in regards to the before/after picture... I'm surprised they didn't take the laptop.

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  • @kbeezie - They did, he bought a new one using some emergency funds he had stashed in a safety deposit box.

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  • @BlueVM said: @kbeezie - They did, he bought a new one using some emergency funds he had stashed in a safety deposit box.

    Ahh that explains that. Was thinking if they took a cable box they probably took every conceivable storage medium.

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  • Hope you can find a way out of this. My prayers with you @William

  • birdie25birdie25 Member
    edited November 2012

    Why would a normal guy have a safe deposit box with an emergency phone and enough cash to buy a new MacBook? Not attempting to hate or anything, i'm just curious :)

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  • @birdie25 I don't think it's like that.

    ...then went to my bank to pick up an emergency phone and cash from a bank deposit box.

    http://raided4tor.cryto.net/

  • 100TB in storage, large amounts of legal weaponry, large amounts of electronics, and drugs... You must have been earning quite a respectable amount of money from edis. It's too bad that you probably won't see any of it again for months.

    Thank you for doing an interview, it was interesting to see how they conducted their raid.

    @birdie25 said: Why would a normal guy have a safe deposit box with an emergency phone and enough cash to buy a new MacBook? Not attempting to hate or anything, i'm just curious :)

    I am too. It sounds, erm, a little paranoid.

  • @JTR said: 100TB in storage

    Well probably doing more than just running exit nodes since you don't actually have to store the stuff that goes thru them. Maybe a few torrent seeders too?

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  • @birdie25 said: Why would a normal guy have a safe deposit box with an emergency phone and enough cash to buy a new MacBook? Not attempting to hate or anything, i'm just curious :)

    Don't you have any emergency funds stashed? I know, I do. #Mattress-stuffing

    google that will ya?

  • @kbeezie said: Well probably doing more than just running exit nodes since you don't actually have to store the stuff that goes thru them. Maybe a few torrent seeders too?

    Yeah, the only two uses I can think of for 100TB at home is torrents or backups (and while it's quite certainly possible, I don't think he'd be backing up VPS nodes to his home).

    @William: Do you know what will happen to you now, if your hardware/guns will be returned, and if you will or will not be charged with anything in relation to the child pornography part of this?

  • miTgiBmiTgiB Member
    edited November 2012

    @birdie25 said: Why would a normal guy have a safe deposit box with an emergency phone and enough cash to buy a new MacBook? Not attempting to hate or anything, i'm just curious :)

    Why is it odd to have a little something set aside for a rainy day? today it rained, and he is damn glad he did plan a little ahead. I don't see paranoid at all, I see he was short sighted to stash so little.

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  • @JTR said: I am too. It sounds, erm, a little paranoid.

    Well, he did have a lot of weapons, you need a bit of paranoia to run and use Tor, unfortunately, this seems to be one of the cases the paranoia helped. One day not only paranoics and ppl in iran, china, emirates etc will need tor on a daily basis, at the rate the surveillance goes, everyone will be monitored soon enough, and if you have no issue taking the NSA to bed for some threesome at least, no problem for you, but those ppl are not many.

    I am only representing myself :)

  • kbeeziekbeezie Member
    edited November 2012

    @miTgiB said: Why is it odd to have a little something set aside for a rainy day? today it rained, and he is damn glad he did plan a little ahead. I don't see paranoid at all, I see he was short sighted to stash so little.

    I mean, I personally if I were forseeing some kind of problems on the horizon such as this, not sure I'd blow the entire emergency funding on a macbook... maybe some kind of a cheap chromebook or something until I learned more about my fate. (though having an emergency phone inside of a safe deposit box already seems a lil odd, if I read that correctly). :P It's almost like what you have set aside if you think you might piss off the wrong criminal spammer/scammer that you were hosting or something like that and needed to disappear.

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  • Well, it is good that AUT laws protect the deposit boxes and teh random criminals willhardly be able to enter the bank, not to mention looking inside those boxes, so it seems a good idea to me.

    I am only representing myself :)

  • kbeeziekbeezie Member
    edited November 2012

    @Maounique said: Well, it is good that AUT laws protect the deposit boxes and teh random criminals willhardly be able to enter the bank, not to mention looking inside those boxes, so it seems a good idea to me.

    Speaking of which, if they took every possible form of electronic... wouldn't they also freeze his bank account and access to his safe deposit box the moment they performed the raid on the home?

    It just seems odd to me, because if I were accused of distributing CP here in the US, and they actually performed a raid and such, I'd be locked up just like all the equipment until a bail hearing. (how does bail work in Austria or most EU countries?)

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  • MaouniqueMaounique Member
    edited November 2012

    @kbeezie said: I'd be locked up just like all the equipment until a bail hearing.

    Well, in EU prosecutors have to prove you are guilty, you dont need to prove you are not or pay a fine to be allowed to go out. Here the concept of paying something to get out of jail is unacceptable, you are either dangerous and the proof supersolid and then you land in jail without the chance to buy your ticket to Bahamas, or you are not taken to jail in the first place. If you are and proven not guilty, there are some serious consequences for the ones that locked you up, it is not something like, lets find something to justify it, like, in this case, we found some marijuana so we can do whatever we please with him. Not to mention kidnapping that US and israeli spy agencies are practicing to get there the "terrorists" without trial and proofs, those are apaling to most EU ppl, here the church is not so powerful, in fact it is in steep decline even in countries like poland.

    I am only representing myself :)

  • @Maounique said: Here the concept of paying something to get out of jail is unacceptable,

    In the US as well, and that is not what bail is about, it is to insure your appearance later at trial, your risk of flight determines this amount.

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  • That interview sounds almost like something you would read in a Girl with the Dragon Tattoo book.

    I hope you get your stuff back and they drop all the charges. Good luck William.

  • WilliamWilliam Member
    edited November 2012

    @Paul said: TV interviews? Wow, issue must really be BIG where you're from. Well anyways, that will help inform everyone about the problem, and rally more support for your cause.

    No, Skype for radio/blogs/newspapers mainly - i don't have any interest in getting filmed and thus will not give any interviews on TV unless by phone/skype.

    @kalam said: Hopefully they don't go after him over the Marijuana possession, 10 grams is nothing.

    Least of my concerns - Only the THC matters which will be probably at 4g and FAR under the 20g limit for a "small amount". Hell yes i smoke weed here and there, i don't drive then, i don't do it in public, i don't annoy anyone with it or sell it (i wouldnt even share it for free with someone because i'm to egoist for that) - Nearly anyone does this (Attention, default 420 Blaze it faggot, weed must be legal blablabla follows now) and i do not see anything wrong with it and think it should be legal in Austria (or entirely decriminalized like in Czech Republic and Portugal, or ignored like in the Netherlands). So if i am convicted for this, fine - it is the law, and the law is the law (for now at least). This will however not stop me from fighting to legalize it as far as i can.

    @birdie25 said: Why would a normal guy have a safe deposit box with an emergency phone and enough cash to buy a new MacBook? Not attempting to hate or anything, i'm just curious :)

    I did in fact expect a search at some time for running a tor exit or other stuff i do/did, just not now and not for this reason (as in producing/sharing child porn) and not on this scale. I also have this box for other reasons, i.e. a Fire in my flat, me being arrested or kidnapped (either here or abroad), sudden death by whatever cause, illness or coma... basically any shit that could happen that i don't expect.

    Thus i deposited a bit cash (obviously not enough i see now), a phone + charger + (Anonymous, some more - some less) Sim cards from Austria, Slovenia, Serbia and Hongkong, and a passport in this box along with documents needed in absolute emergency (Proof of citizenship, Military exemption documents, Birth documents, as well as a last will and emergency contacts) Access is extremely restricted and regulated (to certain persons of my family and friends - not even my girlfriend has access - as well as to other persons under certain circumstances - i.e. if i am kidnapped or shot police can access it as well, not at stuff like this now however) for obvious reasons. I also have a second, similar, box in a foreign bank not owned by any European and US company/citizens (at least as far as i know) in a bank in South Africa.

    As you probably can see i like to be on the safe side in any case - bad things happen and you should and NEED to be prepared for it, however unlikely it is - Because you ONLY will appreciate to have it WHEN shit happens, and you then will RELY on having it.

    @JTR said: It's too bad that you probably won't see any of it again for months.

    I continue to work in my job as usual, just took this friday off to sort a few things out and will probably work a bit less motivated for now. I am not fired and EDIS, as well as my Boss, Gerhard ( @ExPl0ReR ), and my colleagues are fully aware of the situation and the circumstances of it - I get any help and assistance i may require. I am very glad for this trust and the support and need to say thanks here again for it - Any other company would have probably fired me on the spot simply because they could. I also want to state that NONE of the confiscated hardware contains any EDIS related content that could be decrypted or used - EDIS is not affected by this and this is entirely only related to me personally.

    @JTR said: Yeah, the only two uses I can think of for 100TB at home is torrents or backups (and while it's quite certainly possible, I don't think he'd be backing up VPS nodes to his home).

    It is mainly (over 50%) Server backups (i do 3hourly backups of ANYTHING i have, including my external storage nodes, all VPS, all Webspace accounts, i even backup my shell accounts and my main PC and the OS on the storage nodes at home all 3 hours and my macbooks, tablets and phones daily) - After more than one critical data loss in the last years i invested considerable amounts of Money in this which paid back by now already easily multiple times. Leftover is usual stuff, a ton of photos (probably a few TB as well, 2 HDDs), Videos, Music, Movies, Series, Documentaries and so on.

    @JTR said: @William: Do you know what will happen to you now, if your hardware/guns will be returned, and if you will or will not be charged with anything in relation to the child pornography part of this?

    God damn i hope that they return my Guns and Hardware or i sue them out of them - This is not some usual homeuser PC setup, this is hardware easily worth 25kEUR. I am not charged yet, this will, or will not happen, in the next days/weeks - I don't know for what (if any) yet either.

    So here kicks my paranoia in again, i do not sit around and wait - I collect funds, give interviews, speak about it and get it to the media to avoid being marketed by the police in some press release as "child porn ring busted" and have them left handedly ruin my life and blackmail me because at this time no one will listen to me anymore.

    @kbeezie said: Speaking of which, if they took every possible form of electronic... wouldn't they also freeze his bank account and access to his safe deposit box the moment they performed the raid on the home?

    The good thing on this boxes is that no one besides me, the bank, and anyone i decide to inform know their existence - The police does not, the government does not and the bank does not need to report it to anyone.

    @kbeezie said: It just seems odd to me, because if I were accused of distributing CP here in the US, and they actually performed a raid and such, I'd be locked up just like all the equipment until a bail hearing. (how does bail work in Austria or most EU countries?)

    Trust me, i am more surprised than you that i am not in jail on this alleged charges - This is EXTREMELY uncommon. I expect that this is another sting operation as they expect me to contact someone out of the "cp business" to inform him and then get him and jail me by monitoring all communication ways i still have. It is clear that this is a waste of tax money but hell i don't care - They can monitor and wiretap me all they want, as i'm not related to this i can't contact anyone and they can just read my SMS and hear my phone calls (and if they record communication with journalists im entirely sure i can sue them, and if i can, will) for as long as they want.

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  • kbeeziekbeezie Member
    edited November 2012

    @William said: The good thing on this boxes is that no one besides me, the bank, and anyone i decide to inform know their existence - The police does not, the government does not and the bank does not need to report it to anyone.

    Ahh, here in the US (mostly thanks to the Patriot Act), if you were to open a bank account, they would be required to report your social security number to the government, verify your identity and course be required to report whatever the government has a warrant for (and freeze if necessary). Basically the idea behind that control, is to make sure you're not funding a known terrorist group, and so they could freeze the accounts if they found a connection.

    So just seemed odd to me to be able to have a bank account in a country you're a citizen of, without them knowing.

    @William said: I expect that this is another sting operation as they expect me to contact someone out of the "cp business" to inform him and then get him and jail me by monitoring all communication ways i still have. It is clear that this is a waste of tax money but hell i don't care - They can monitor and wiretap me all they want, as i'm not related to this i can't contact anyone and they can just read my SMS and hear my phone calls (and if they record communication with journalists im entirely sure i can sue them, and if i can, will) for as long as they want.

    I guess that's one possibility, especially if you do not have any content on your hardware related to the warrant. IF the traffic was strictly in/out of the exit node without your knowledge there shouldn't be anything stored on your box itself. If that's the case maybe they're hoping you'll contact someone who does have it, otherwise they probably don't have anything on you unless running a Tor network is illegal there.

    PS: If they find something like say a pirated movie, can they actually charge you with it, even though it's not on the warrant?

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  • WilliamWilliam Member
    edited November 2012

    @kbeezie said: So just seemed odd to me to be able to have a bank account in a country you're a citizen of, without them knowing.

    Wait, this is different. You can have a bank account here, a deposit box, or both - You do NOT require the bank account for a deposit box, i am no customer of the bank i use for this with any bank accounts. For a bank account you have to show ID/Address proof here as well (which is added to a government database i think) For a deposit box you need to show ID but nothing more, you can pay cash - This information is secret and highly protected.

    @kbeezie said: PS: If they find something like say a pirated movie, can they actually charge you with it, even though it's not on the warrant?

    Technically no, in reality yes over a step between - This is however not only unlikely but would get revoked by a lawsuit against it by me at a later date anyway.

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  • kbeeziekbeezie Member
    edited November 2012

    @William said: Wait, this is different. You can have a bank account here, a deposit box, or both - You do NOT require the bank account for a deposit box, i am no customer of the bank i use for this with any bank accounts. For a bank account you have to show ID/Address proof here as well (which is added to a government database i think) For a deposit box you need to show ID but nothing more, you can pay cash - This information is secret and highly protected.

    Ahh, most banks I know of in the US requires an account with them, and the name needs to be exactly as it is on your government issued ID (since a warrant for your safe deposit box could be refused if the name on the warrant is not exactly identical), but in either case the connection is still known outside of the bank, unless someone knows a bank in the US that doesn't require a pre-existing account with them.

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  • @William: Thank you for your reply.

    1. grats William for fighting this back and not give them time to set up the usual BS for the press to justify the money spent on "fighting child molesters".
    2. grats community for supporting him.
    3. grats internet for picking this up and giving William a voice to support a cause everyone will benefit, even the kids, once the castle of cards is demolished, they will have access to information and will not fall victim so easily. I figure they thought that picking on austrian guy after a gruesome affair in the same country will make it an easy showcase for the "theory" that Internet is guilty for this, even tho, probably the guy that locked his daughter in the basement didnt even have a computer. I am sure they picked the wrong man and this proves how stupid the cops and their masters are. This will probably backfire and will help ppl tear down some taboos.

    I am only representing myself :)

  • NickNick Member
    edited November 2012

    @Maounique said: justify the money spent on "fighting child molesters".

    ..Wow

    @Maounique said: I am sure they picked the wrong man and this proves how stupid the cops and their masters are. This will probably backfire and will help ppl tear down some taboos.

    You think it's stupid for police to go after people who produce and distribute CP? That's all they are doing in this case. Yes, they have accidentally gone after a tor exit node, but they don't really know that yet do they.

  • @fly And? Its still money not spent on lawyers

  • MaouniqueMaounique Member
    edited November 2012

    @Nick said: Yes, they have accidentally gone after a tor exit node

    That is no accident, Tor exit nodes are public even after they have been taken down. If they dont know that, then it is a lot of money spent on police training which went to corrupt ppl maybe. When you are training a task force to fight CP online, you must teach them the basics, and that is not only how to look up an IP and ask who operated it at a certain time, look up his home and go in guns blazing. If they are really that stupid, no law will help combating child porn, no matter how much will infringe on constitutional rights. They were either incompetent or malicious, trying to discourage the quest of ppl for anonymity online (that seems to be working at least from some responses here so far) in either case that is a poor justification for taxpayers money, not to mention for disturbing William's life.

    I am only representing myself :)

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  • @fly said: macbook is not expensive at all...

    It looked like a macbook pro...

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  • @ChrisK said: Its still money not spent on lawyers

    this day and age you -need- a computer to do things

  • @fly cyber cafe

  • because you really want to do all your legal stuff in a public area with unencrypted wifi

  • @fly said: because you really want to do all your legal stuff in a public area with unencrypted wifi

    VPN to your servers... oh wait...

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  • NickNick Member
    edited November 2012

    @Maounique said: They were either incompetent or malicious, trying to discourage the quest of ppl for anonymity online (that seems to be working at least from some responses here so far) in either case that is a poor justification for taxpayers money, not to mention for disturbing William's life.

    Or William could be a pedofile who is using a tor exit node to try and mask his actions by blaming it on anonymous users of the exit tunnel. It's a very real possibility, I'm sure it's happened before.

    I don't really understand how a conspiracy that 'they are out to get him' is established from laws being enforced.

  • @Nick said: Or William could be a pedofile who is using a tor exit node to try and handball his actions to anonymous users of the exit tunnel. It's a very real possibility, I'm sure it's happened before.

    Yes, and he would put his name in the whois then :)

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  • NickNick Member
    edited November 2012

    @rds100 said: Yes, and he would put his name in the whois then :)

    To clarify - I'm making this argument in a general sense. No I don't think William is a pedophile.

    I think it would make more sense for someone who would so something like this to put their details in the whois. It makes them look less shady and more legitimate. But of course that could be to try and frame themselves as innocent.. because you probably wouldn't expect a pedophile would surely not put their name in their whois.

  • Look, the guy's been running his own networks ever since he was whatever years old, you really think he'd be stupid enough to disclose everything if he really did all of that you claim?

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  • @Nick said: pedofile

    It's spelled pedophile, not pedofile.

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